reborn saint

Thanks for correcting my post and as my numbers were so emphatically wrong i will not protest if the cic decide to extract 19 quid from my account instead of ten each month. I would be to affraid they used my post as evidence of how i calculate figures. So wire in Richard.

Well that's it guys.....The deal is done. In Scottish law a nudge is as good as a wink and we move on to our future under a majority shareholding of our community interest company , 10000hrs. I have read all the posts on here which have been mainly positive and the negative, apart from a few that have been looking for more detail in the takeover. The hidden agendas and the dark places some people wish to place themselves have made up the few. As it has taken a while to acheive this and our thoughts have mainly been on "will it happen?"it is time to move on and see what we as St Mirren and Paisley can acheive. We are a true enigma of a club. Not long ago the biggest town in the UK,( population 190,000) we have suffered not only by having a majority old firm support in the town but a decline in the standard of football which has seen attendances drop off to fake saint levels. They have 23% of our population and have just as many old firm fans in ratio (and remember 70% of them don't attend any games). Our target must be to get the people in the town who either favour St Mirren but don't go to games or the ones who currently have not been interested in football, to come along and attend games. "One Town One Team" is an exellent logo which the cic can adopt to take us forward. The "tut tut" brigade formed by the people who object to "Tax payers money being used to buy a club" have no idea what this is about and should take up REA's offer to meet or shut up. The community aspect of this deal will not just deliver the minimum requirement of the funding bodies but will now far excede it. The result will be a reduction of the loan aspect of the £2m (£800,000 grant ..£1.2M loan) converting the loan part to a smaller figure. Once the company is launched there should be more target funding which has already been suggested on another thread. The worst case senario has already been explained, the best? debts paid of in 6 months...budget next season up from 1.3m to 2.2m (if we stay up} and a community that has use of the best facility ever offered at a knocked down price of between £800,000 and £1.5m depending on Grant/Loan ratio to ANY cic.

Well... good point (and i need to sober up !) but do you think we can survive next season without a fall guy? like Hamilton.

Can you confirm that St Mirren has the lowest SPL player budget for next season?.

Posting this on here away from the qa thread in reply to your answer regarding the negativity regarding the cic. Thanks for the response and looking at it the reasons are only a condition of the complexities of trying to do something which has never been done before. Whatever you do in your spare time to make you anything less than reputable has no bearing on here as i have found your posts both truthful and informative. You are prepared to back the cic but will also raise any issues you think are important. I am on here mainly to find out things about the cic that i don't already know and as a consequence looking for any hidden negatives (which i can't find). I am resting easy again after reading your explanation so it's all steam ahead for me and i can't wait till it happens!

Do you know why some football delegates will have spoken in a negative way about the cic as a post on another thread here by a reputable member has suggested they have.

Well Div the answer is simple. As you are growing 2 businesses and have 2 young kids here's what you do. Don't mess about with a paltry £120 per annum individual membership but sign up to the corporate scheme. As we have 2 current vacancies you can complete the set! it will only cost you 20 grand per annum and you can use this influence to campaign for a cresh for the little ones while obtaining a bespoke memorandum. You will have 2 votes instead of 1 and can decide to vote/ oppose yourself... or both. This will elevate you to a duality status only ever achieved once on here by Yule and Animal.

Don't know if it is safe to post anything on here as the 25th May seems a long time ago for this thread. I see questions for the cic on other threads. Is everyone ok who has posted here or are there any missing persons with a history of trying to post after 25th May? "Is it safe?"... "Is it safe?"....Just don't want my teeth pulled out

How cooool is that!

Wow....apoligies to you my friend. I thought you were just someone on here picking holes in what the cic can be. If you are already involved in what is a major cause for concern then i'm 100% convinced that this cic will be an avenue for you to achieve what you are obviously struggling with just now.

Oh and do you watch news programes...It was on this morning after Andrew Marr

BBC news radio and sometimes TV if you are refering to the problems that are being discussed about obesity. if you are refering to any grant the cic will obtain with regards this problem I was only using it as an example of the many social and health funds which are available to groups which can offer help.

Well you have got the first point right as it was REA's dad who founded the company. Now let me tell you a story. Richards dad had a dream of one day being able to have a successful company that once built up he would no longer be needed to oversee the operation on a day to day basis. This would allow him the time to do the things that really interested him without the pressures that come with running a company such as Maxi. He acheived his goal with his son taking over and the success story continuing with a now £35M turnover company with no bank debt. Richard now wants to follow in his fathers dream and due to the high tech nature of Maxi can acheive this at a much younger age (40 years old). His interest in St Mirren has come about in a truely unusual way as you would have heard (if you attended any meetings). You seem to think that St Mirren are a big cheese and can be used to make money. This is quite frankly bollocks. the only intention of REA is to cerate a community again in Paisley which when it happens will you come on here and admit you were wrong?

Maybe not well known facts 1 Although we will secure £800,000 of grants and £1.2M of loans some of the loan amount can be converted to grant if the interst in the venture exceeds the numbers set out. The community interest is key here with each group maybe 100 strong. 2 The tax payers allience/ daily express etc are barking down the wrong tree if they think the money is for the purchace of a football club. Funding bodies do contain tax payers money, but not all of them. The ones that do have a specific purpose which has to deliver results. An example would be child obesity. If the government do nothing to solve this particular problem then the NHS will be unable to meet the demands of healthcare in 2040. If they set aside funding(tax payers money) to tackle the problem now they can reduce the burden. A football club like St Mirren is an obvious choice to give funding to as a cic. 3 REA made some startling statements at the 2nd meeting, if you were there do you remember or do you want me to tell you?

Yea I think i should refrain from visiting certain sites while i'm on here. The spelling should be (come)....(thank f**k the spelling police didn't get me)

Cum on Sid i'm just trying to get him to give us a slice of his massive bank account up front(we'll pay him back later)

Well i only sjgned up to discuss the cic and yea it is. Theres one question i would like you 2 to answer. Why would a successful buisness man with a company 10 times the size of St Mirren risk damaging his reputation by pretending to offer something which then turns out to be a con and sees him sieze the club at the expense of the fans?

Good to see you got a reply on here as the q&a seems to be dead now. You make realy valid points concerning the cic ( which is why 10000hrs have responded). When Richard says "If we get relegated the club will suffer but the community dosn't go away" this seems to sugest there will be no downturn in support for the cic which is quite obviously wrong. It is VITALY important to this venture that this does NOT happen and the only way to achieve it is a bigger budjet for next season as we don't have any whipping boys in the league next season(Dunfermline announce their turnover will be £5M while ours is currently 3.4M). As we have no current investment in the team (which the cic will deliver from next season) how do we stay up Richard?

Yea sure uhhu.... Richard has not destroyed the argument. He has shown commitment by allowing his company to short term loan a much smaller buisness as is St Mirren and use his much more vast financial wealth to help the club. There is something more profound here. I think most of the anti cic don't realise that St Mirren as a company is realy very small. It has a turnover of £3.4M and generates 0 profit. Maxi Group have a £35M turnover and generate £5M profit per annum.

For the sanity of us all .....go away.. It's all been answered!

Animal/Yule What makes you turn into paranoid disbelievers of a venture wich can only bring good to our club?

As an add on.. Kilmarnock are goosed, Aberdeen ...well gubbed. Hearts are ok with mad vlad but what if he walks away?.... Hibs should be ok. The rest seem ok .... The pretend saints etc. But we can use this opportunity to make a real impact in the spl from a position of strength if we all pull together.

Shush.... don't mention any of the following to our resident Mothrwell supporter. SG "Motherwell and Dundee Utd now don't have any sugar daddies". The result will be they have to work in the real world of Scottish football budgets. Both clubs are currently operating with far higher wages than is sustainable. Reality calls and we will see a new order in club sustainability which our cic will take us to a position of strength.

No idea why this is on here but I welcome comments from people who support the cic but will not be taking part for fianancial reasons. They can come on board at a future time if i understand the workings of the cic under REA's leadership. Transparency IS what i require from this venture and i am convinced i will recieve it. I have supported St Mirren in some events like "Leaving love st afair" at the Normandy and booking a few corporate seats for games. I have no idea how this money was spent(to be fair not a lot) but i am convinced in future i will be able to see clearly where every penny goes. And as a Paisley buddie you know how we like to watch the pennies.