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You don't think perhaps we coped because of the measures we put in place

40,000+ dead, I'd say that 's touching the sides. 50% more deaths than the 5 year average, again more than touching the sides. existing illness were not disregareded. but new illness may have gone undetected.

Well, I would disagree. with that.

Sigh Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200711-covid-19-sitrep-173.pdf?sfvrsn=949920b4_2

Indeed but what has been made clear is that the systematic dismanteling of the NHS by the tories has produced a system with much poor resilience in England than the "old style," NHS in Scotland. The same can be seen in other areas where "privitisation," has been a cover for essentually rape and pillaging of the public purse. The gilb aceptance that private is good, public is bad has been shown up for what is, a great big steaming heap of manure

The main issue is provision of PPE and getting it to care homes. Care homes are private businesses and do have the main responsibiltiy. But in Scotland PPE was provided to carehomes via the NHS. In England NHS staff were not provided with PPE, never mind supplying private carehomes. This is mainly due to the creeping privatisation of NHS England. And there are also questions about the provision of advice and guidance to the care homes prior to moving patients out. So sorry Boris not quite of the hook.

Hey don't knock bleach

This is very misleading. Patients transfered out off hospital to carehomes should have been in isolation with full infection control procedures in place ensuring that any risk of spread to other residents was minimal. I cannot answer for GG&C healthboard but in a sample survey I have seen, the death rate for patients moved out into care homes is @5% within the first 21 days, so most of the carehome deaths were not patients carrying the disease with them into the care home but contracting it there. Or indeed spreading it there. There is a question about how well prepared and equiped the carehomes were, and it very noticeable that there are homes were here single infection events have occured and been contained and others where it has gone through the home like wildfire. And indeed some homes where no infection has occured. Certainly decanting patients from hospital appears to have been idea then leaving them in hospital where beds were going to be need and were Covid-19 was most certainly going to be present with the risk of transmission to these vulnerable patients. Nice try Carlaw now f**k off

Yes Johns Hopkins has had the international death rate up for ages and it clearly is much deadlier that the flu. Also looking at excess deaths in the UK around +50% of normal. No flu has ever done anything like that. This is actually really important because it shows the consequences of following the "herd immunity" policy. Which is still being pushed in some quarters.

I know myself and I'm an expert in Public heath

For the UK the real figures are now available and frankly not good reading

Short term thinking

If Obika had gone on and scored 15 league goals someone would have broken the bank for him. First they would tap him by "speaking to his agent" then we'd hear, "there's no point keeping someone who does not want to be here." Then mysteriously there's a buy out clause. Seen it all before.

And yet historically we have lost players to all three teams (Add in Ross County and Kilmarncock) The problem teams like St Mirren have is that usually they have to re build every year and thus there is no traction. I'd be more concerned about keeping players than getting new ones. And to TBF it's not every season I've thought that.

Wh And so will everyone else. To our benefit. Covid-19 means that Obika will not be going to Hearts/Motherwell/StJohnstone and just gives us an outside chance of holding on to Wallace and Hvladky.

Yip, Hunskelping was begun by us. An Mooy's goal, how did I miss that one out.

Hopefully not, do you know what the death rate was in those field hospitals

Hmmm. Tommo's goal at Ibrox. Roberson's crazy volley in a league cup game. Carey's goal against Hearts, McGowan's chip in a Renfrewshire cup game against the unwashed. And of course Tommo in the league cup final Mooy's goal against Rangers. So many so many

Except the testing is currently being done centrally in Glasgow and Edinburgh nice try.

Or you're coming around to hers. You're suggesting that these decisions are made by an SNP lead Scottish government rather than a dafty tory westminster government. Progress.

That's not really what it showed. It showed it was less effective then hoped, but not useless. There are two things going on, one is reducing duration of viral shedding, the other is the viral load. No surprise that there were accusations of money not well spent as the pandemic failed to arrive, but why then was it so less severe here than it was in other countries that did not use Tamiflue?

But harsh on Michael Gove mate,

During the 2009 outbreak we had an effective treatment/prophylactic in Tamiflu which we proscribed by the bucket load. On it;s own, Tamiflu considerably reduced the secondary infection rate. We don't have a similar treatment for Covid-19 Additionally, Swineflu was not able to infect individuals asymptotically and was therefore much easier to detect, trace and isolate. We did have lockdown, but only for those infected.

Not correct, the evidence is pretty clear.