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    beyond our ken got a reaction from kevo_smfc in John Mcginn Sues Saints   
    This is actually quite swift for a compensation claim. One our contractors suffered a de-gloving injury a full 22 months ago and I only recieved the request for information at the end of April.
    Incidentally, what the Sun has reported as "legal action" will most likely be a letter from McGinn's solicitor requesting specific information that will allow them to assess if a claim is appropriate. I suspect that as a professional footballer he was steered by his agent towards having a medical expenses or accident policy that paid out in the event of his injury and that this could just as much be about the insurers trying to recoup some of their outlay than it is about McGinn "sueing" the club.
    isn't it ironic? so many saints fans laugh at the old firm supporters because they are so easily whipped up by the gutter press, yet here we have a section of the support turning on one of their own because of a few lines in the Sun, of all papers.
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    beyond our ken reacted to JM1 in John Mcginn Sues Saints   
    Hopefully this gets all sorted out, McGinn signs a new deal and rediscovers the form he had prior to last season as one of the best young players in the country.
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from Herbie in John Mcginn Sues Saints   
    could have
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from prov in John Mcginn Sues Saints   
    This is actually quite swift for a compensation claim. One our contractors suffered a de-gloving injury a full 22 months ago and I only recieved the request for information at the end of April.
    Incidentally, what the Sun has reported as "legal action" will most likely be a letter from McGinn's solicitor requesting specific information that will allow them to assess if a claim is appropriate. I suspect that as a professional footballer he was steered by his agent towards having a medical expenses or accident policy that paid out in the event of his injury and that this could just as much be about the insurers trying to recoup some of their outlay than it is about McGinn "sueing" the club.
    isn't it ironic? so many saints fans laugh at the old firm supporters because they are so easily whipped up by the gutter press, yet here we have a section of the support turning on one of their own because of a few lines in the Sun, of all papers.
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from hamlet in John Mcginn Sues Saints   
    Why should it affect any relationship between club and player? I handle claims like this from time to time and the outcome is very often delivered with a smile and a handshake (though rarely an apology), especially when there has been real and proven harm to an employee who carries absolutely no blame. it would be immature, mean spirited and irresponsible of any employer to sour the relationship with someone who was a good employee affected in this way.
    John Hillcoat took legal advice to get released from his contract when he was a junior player and was welcomed back to the club several years later. It will only be ill-informed supporters who think there is some disloyalty or acrimony here-everyone else will be business like and professional about the whole thing.
    FFS, is the guy just meant to take something like that
    The club will undoubtedly close this out with dignity and maturity, i wish some of the posters on here would do the same
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from faraway saint in John Mcginn Sues Saints   
    could have
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from Iael18 in John Mcginn Sues Saints   
    It's a discipline & workplace control issue and Saints are vicariously liable for the actions of employees whilst at work. if the spear-chucking was typical of training-ground pranksterism then i'm afraid it is something the club should have thought about and adressed before someone got hurt.
    Individuals are also liable though and it could be that the action is deflected, partially or wholly, onto Thommo.
    McGinn was at work and doing what he was paid for when he innocently and blamelessy suffered a potentially serious injury. He could suffer ill-effects from that for years to come and is right to look after his interests. He could have fully recovered already or the scar tissue, which can be much tougher and less pliable than the rest of him, could cause secondary tears and tightness at any time.
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from BuddieinEK in John Mcginn Sues Saints   
    The company would almost certainly have a policy to prevent workplace violence. The reason you didn't do it is either because you didn't want the sack or you are a shitebag
    Horseplay is another matter, if tolerated the company can be seen to condone this type of nonsense. Thommo mis-used company equipment and in another company he would have lost his job. The club COULD be at fault for not controling the training ground more effectively. it will take an examination of the facts to establish this and no-one will examine them if there is no claim.
    But for heaven's sake, the company insurance will be in place to compensate people who suffered a workplace injury and McGinn was NOT AT FAULT. He is due compensation commensurate with any harm suffered and needs to make a claim to get his process going. it is company insurance so the trail starts-guess where? WITH THE COMPANY!
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from TopCat in John Mcginn Sues Saints   
    As previously pointed out, J McG is out of contract and can sign for anyone he chooses from a list of clubs that want him, can pay his wages and can pay us compensation. Or he can choose to take an offer from St Mirren to stay on for another spell. His claim has no bearing on his status at or outsidethe club.
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from TopCat in John Mcginn Sues Saints   
    The company would almost certainly have a policy to prevent workplace violence. The reason you didn't do it is either because you didn't want the sack or you are a shitebag
    Horseplay is another matter, if tolerated the company can be seen to condone this type of nonsense. Thommo mis-used company equipment and in another company he would have lost his job. The club COULD be at fault for not controling the training ground more effectively. it will take an examination of the facts to establish this and no-one will examine them if there is no claim.
    But for heaven's sake, the company insurance will be in place to compensate people who suffered a workplace injury and McGinn was NOT AT FAULT. He is due compensation commensurate with any harm suffered and needs to make a claim to get his process going. it is company insurance so the trail starts-guess where? WITH THE COMPANY!
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from Sonny in John Mcginn Sues Saints   
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from Sonny in John Mcginn Sues Saints   
    The company would almost certainly have a policy to prevent workplace violence. The reason you didn't do it is either because you didn't want the sack or you are a shitebag
    Horseplay is another matter, if tolerated the company can be seen to condone this type of nonsense. Thommo mis-used company equipment and in another company he would have lost his job. The club COULD be at fault for not controling the training ground more effectively. it will take an examination of the facts to establish this and no-one will examine them if there is no claim.
    But for heaven's sake, the company insurance will be in place to compensate people who suffered a workplace injury and McGinn was NOT AT FAULT. He is due compensation commensurate with any harm suffered and needs to make a claim to get his process going. it is company insurance so the trail starts-guess where? WITH THE COMPANY!
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from djchapsticks in John Mcginn Sues Saints   
    The company would almost certainly have a policy to prevent workplace violence. The reason you didn't do it is either because you didn't want the sack or you are a shitebag
    Horseplay is another matter, if tolerated the company can be seen to condone this type of nonsense. Thommo mis-used company equipment and in another company he would have lost his job. The club COULD be at fault for not controling the training ground more effectively. it will take an examination of the facts to establish this and no-one will examine them if there is no claim.
    But for heaven's sake, the company insurance will be in place to compensate people who suffered a workplace injury and McGinn was NOT AT FAULT. He is due compensation commensurate with any harm suffered and needs to make a claim to get his process going. it is company insurance so the trail starts-guess where? WITH THE COMPANY!
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from TopCat in John Mcginn Sues Saints   
    Really, this free agent called John McGinn? He can sign for who he wants as long as they can pay saints the compensation. He doesn't need to engineer hee-haw
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from blcknwhte_lj in John Mcginn Sues Saints   
    Why should it affect any relationship between club and player? I handle claims like this from time to time and the outcome is very often delivered with a smile and a handshake (though rarely an apology), especially when there has been real and proven harm to an employee who carries absolutely no blame. it would be immature, mean spirited and irresponsible of any employer to sour the relationship with someone who was a good employee affected in this way.
    John Hillcoat took legal advice to get released from his contract when he was a junior player and was welcomed back to the club several years later. It will only be ill-informed supporters who think there is some disloyalty or acrimony here-everyone else will be business like and professional about the whole thing.
    FFS, is the guy just meant to take something like that
    The club will undoubtedly close this out with dignity and maturity, i wish some of the posters on here would do the same
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from BuddieinEK in John Mcginn Sues Saints   
    Why should it affect any relationship between club and player? I handle claims like this from time to time and the outcome is very often delivered with a smile and a handshake (though rarely an apology), especially when there has been real and proven harm to an employee who carries absolutely no blame. it would be immature, mean spirited and irresponsible of any employer to sour the relationship with someone who was a good employee affected in this way.
    John Hillcoat took legal advice to get released from his contract when he was a junior player and was welcomed back to the club several years later. It will only be ill-informed supporters who think there is some disloyalty or acrimony here-everyone else will be business like and professional about the whole thing.
    FFS, is the guy just meant to take something like that
    The club will undoubtedly close this out with dignity and maturity, i wish some of the posters on here would do the same
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from bluto in Name That Suite   
    To satisfy all the previous suggestions
    How about we serve only english ale and call it the Bitter suite
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from shull in Roundabout Protocol   
    I've never met a good driver, only people who think they are
    Dangerous buggers consider themselves good drivers
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from Vambo57 in Would You Like To Stand At St Mirren Park   
    a bit of a class-led comment there Billy
    as the closest thing Inchinnan ever had to landed gentry, i'd have thought you were an afficionado of those 2 sports
    but yes, the standing stalls would bring a bit of fun back
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from Vambo57 in Roundabout Protocol   
    true, a lot of people who seemingly never made a driving mistake themselves are posting
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from bigjerseybuddie in Desperado On The Run   
    Why wont he come to his senses?
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from eastlandssaint in Gregg Wylde , Good News !   
    He played a significant part in some crucial games in 2013-14 campaign, so thanks for that
    It would have been great if he had applied himself more-he would definitely have realised more of his potential if he had.
    Unfortunately he obviously thinks he has enough money for now and is not motivated, so thanks and cheerio
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from Drew in Gregg Wylde , Good News !   
    He played a significant part in some crucial games in 2013-14 campaign, so thanks for that
    It would have been great if he had applied himself more-he would definitely have realised more of his potential if he had.
    Unfortunately he obviously thinks he has enough money for now and is not motivated, so thanks and cheerio
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from faraway saint in Orangefest 2015   
    really, you shouldnae give a toss
    Streets are clogged up with half-marathons, breast cancer runs and children's parades and we don't get upset at that. Ignoring orangefest really is the best thing
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from BuddieL in Jason Naismith   
    No, it appears that jason's dad is Stuart Kean, who might be a rangers fan
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