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    beyond our ken got a reaction from W6er in Who do you want in the Scottish Cup 4th round?   
    Home against any non-spfl or league 2 club
    Away, definitely Raith. But only on a Saturday.   Sadly there are no suitable hostelries as close to the ground as there once were.
    15 minutes on the bus or train from my local so feel free to drop by.
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from WeeBud in In Dublin's Fair City   
    You seem to be making the massive assumption that the "non-Irish" are refugees, you can't know that.  Ireland has a lot of immigation and repatriation from the so-called English-speaking world. 
    You talk about mass stabbings in Europe, fair enough.  There are few mass stabbings in the US where mass-murder is almost a pastime and that is because access to guns is so easy and many mass-murderers there seem to be targetting ethnic minorities.  So maybe criminals in the refugee communities cant get access to guns so easily in Europe and maybe they'd do less stabbing  if the opposite was true?
    And let's jut have that "controversial" point you have teased us with.  No-one is going to judge you for a view any more severely than they have already.  But if you think you can take the debate forward with this view then let's have it as you seem to be quite wedded to it.
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from WeeBud in Why does the club need to know the diversity of season ticket holders?   
    Yes, but if i wanted an answer to that question I would go to the person making the survey request, not asking a bunch of people who don't know the rationale.
    My only possible motivation for asking the forum would be a desperate cry for attention and I'm not that needy.
    And
    It's could have.  You're welcome
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from W6er in Grangemouth no more?   
    You should focus on the fact that a referendum in the early-mid 70s would have had a very good chance as support for independence was on the rise and the truth about the value of the offshore reserves would have swung the vote further towards "leave".  Maybe not enough to secure independence at that point, yet that knowledge would have stoked support for independence given the behaviour of the Tories, who having successfully divided and conquered went on to ride a wave of support built on the money raised from oil.
    Successive westminster governments squandered the alternative vehicles for getting decent, but somewhat lesser, taxpayer benefit from the proceeds by  dismantling BNOC and selling off BP.
    I am all in favour of independence, but I'd probably never have got to this point had it not been for Westminster's serial squandering and selling-off of national assets that made money for the taxpayer alongside the criminal failure to set up a national wealth fund based on the oil revenue.  The money was used to prop up governments instead of securing our future and that of our children
     
    There is still enough out there to gove Scotland a decent pot to build on and my own belief is that we would see a steady migration of busineses from across the UK once Scotland was, in some form, back in the European fold.
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from faraway saint in Grangemouth no more?   
    You should focus on the fact that a referendum in the early-mid 70s would have had a very good chance as support for independence was on the rise and the truth about the value of the offshore reserves would have swung the vote further towards "leave".  Maybe not enough to secure independence at that point, yet that knowledge would have stoked support for independence given the behaviour of the Tories, who having successfully divided and conquered went on to ride a wave of support built on the money raised from oil.
    Successive westminster governments squandered the alternative vehicles for getting decent, but somewhat lesser, taxpayer benefit from the proceeds by  dismantling BNOC and selling off BP.
    I am all in favour of independence, but I'd probably never have got to this point had it not been for Westminster's serial squandering and selling-off of national assets that made money for the taxpayer alongside the criminal failure to set up a national wealth fund based on the oil revenue.  The money was used to prop up governments instead of securing our future and that of our children
     
    There is still enough out there to gove Scotland a decent pot to build on and my own belief is that we would see a steady migration of busineses from across the UK once Scotland was, in some form, back in the European fold.
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from W6er in St Mirren v Livingston SPFL Premiership 25/11/23   
    some recent games where the opposition were really up for it,hassled us for the  whole match and we just didn't cope, Livi will be up to the same tactic.
    To be honest, we were lucky to get back into the game at Almonvale a few months ago so it will be interesting to see what the response to recent poor performances will be.
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from antrin in Why does the club need to know the diversity of season ticket holders?   
    Yes, but if i wanted an answer to that question I would go to the person making the survey request, not asking a bunch of people who don't know the rationale.
    My only possible motivation for asking the forum would be a desperate cry for attention and I'm not that needy.
    And
    It's could have.  You're welcome
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from portmahomack saint in Hunt (rhyming slang) announces 2 million free workers for UK companies   
    So instead of training and rehabillitation, long term sick will be forced to take "workplace placements"  to allow them to continue to take benefits, no mention of jobs as a result, just placements.  At the same time, after citing the increase in the living wage, he will supress wages for the already low-paid because the incentive to be a competitive employer will be taken away.
    A two-edged sword that will be unique in that both edges will be cutting the same people twice with the same swipe. 
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from antrin in Hunt (rhyming slang) announces 2 million free workers for UK companies   
    So instead of training and rehabillitation, long term sick will be forced to take "workplace placements"  to allow them to continue to take benefits, no mention of jobs as a result, just placements.  At the same time, after citing the increase in the living wage, he will supress wages for the already low-paid because the incentive to be a competitive employer will be taken away.
    A two-edged sword that will be unique in that both edges will be cutting the same people twice with the same swipe. 
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from exiledfan in Hunt (rhyming slang) announces 2 million free workers for UK companies   
    So instead of training and rehabillitation, long term sick will be forced to take "workplace placements"  to allow them to continue to take benefits, no mention of jobs as a result, just placements.  At the same time, after citing the increase in the living wage, he will supress wages for the already low-paid because the incentive to be a competitive employer will be taken away.
    A two-edged sword that will be unique in that both edges will be cutting the same people twice with the same swipe. 
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from W6er in Hunt (rhyming slang) announces 2 million free workers for UK companies   
    So instead of training and rehabillitation, long term sick will be forced to take "workplace placements"  to allow them to continue to take benefits, no mention of jobs as a result, just placements.  At the same time, after citing the increase in the living wage, he will supress wages for the already low-paid because the incentive to be a competitive employer will be taken away.
    A two-edged sword that will be unique in that both edges will be cutting the same people twice with the same swipe. 
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from W6er in Sevco FC 2012 v St Mirren SPFL PREMIERSHIP 3/12/23   
    I don't see how anyone can enjoy the "experience" away fans get at either if the big Glasgow slums.  Those around have free-rein to abuse and harass,  even thrown objects will be tolerated.
    I went to the first post-promotion game there in the Gus McPherson era and despite us getting a great result I vowed never to return. I don't see the point of paying good money to be treated like shit by these people just because they can.
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from rabuddies in Have F1 lost the plot ?   
    is that a choir that only does show tunes?
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from antrin in Scum Hamas Terrorists Slaughter Jews In Israel   
    You just need to look at that title page to know where it is from.
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from Jockmd in Scum Hamas Terrorists Slaughter Jews In Israel   
    "told STV News he has been forced to up his security including him being told to carry a panic alarm and to avoid public transport."
    So he basically got told by police to carry a whistle and be careful on the buses.  But he reckons he has "upped his security".   If he exagerrates that then how much of the "assault" allegation has been "upped"?
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from Jockmd in Scum Hamas Terrorists Slaughter Jews In Israel   
    You just need to look at that title page to know where it is from.
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from ALBIONSAINT in Have F1 lost the plot ?   
    is that a choir that only does show tunes?
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from shull in The Politics Thread   
    Foreign secretary
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from BigYardsAndBasher in Dundee v St. Mirren, Armistice Day   
    The problem is
    you are just a troublemaker 
    please go and annoy someone who gives a shit about what you think
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from bazil85 in Dundee v St. Mirren, Armistice Day   
    This is fekkin laughable 
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from shull in Dundee v St. Mirren, Armistice Day   
    The problem is
    you are just a troublemaker 
    please go and annoy someone who gives a shit about what you think
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from BuddieinEK in Dundee v St. Mirren, Armistice Day   
    The problem is
    you are just a troublemaker 
    please go and annoy someone who gives a shit about what you think
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from BuddieinEK in St Mirren v Hibernian SPFL Premiership 8/11/23   
    Hibs have good players in every position, some of whom are better than our corresponding first pick and they continue to play like Livingston.  There is not much change between the style of their two managers and their stand-in this season.
    The latest excuse-making manager, who probably won't last any longer than Johnson, was bleating about decisions however you could see their spirit desert them as the match ran into the final minutes.  Good players don't seem to like persisting with the gamesmanship and spoiling that these managers demand.  Wasting time with 70 minutes left is guaranteed to feel like a burden on a player, unless you are a nasty git like Marshall, and rather than win a point i think we were there to catch one of the two that Hibs dropped
    Biggest positives were LJ's performance and Hemmings continued improvement.  I don't think we had an open-play goal in us until LJ appeared and that's a worry.  Mandron was flat from the start and Baccus looked like he is struggling, Kiltie & Tanser just never got going either.  
     
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from portmahomack saint in Scum Israeli cnuts slaughter innocents   
    The fact that many people have pointed out is that the bombardment of areas where civilians live and the order to vacte other areas are the reasons so many were using the hospital for shelter as well as healthcare, so  who blew up what only matters to a certain extent.  Something was going to explode in that area at some point and a load of innocents were going to be hurt.
    Aside that, there are the thousands of civilians killed, around 50% of the population of Gaza is under 18, so it's not correct to say that all residents are combatants at this stage.
    Hamas are responsible for their own actions, Netanyahu failed miserably on his security promises and could well have been relying on the threat of a disproportionate response as a deterrent to any hostilities.  The problem with perpetual threats is that people eventually become emboldened by living under them.  Netanyahu is a fool and it seems he failed to realise his responsibility extends to mitigating unintended consequences, so he bounces himself into killing loads more people when he knows he can't really disassemble Hamas in the way he promises.
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    beyond our ken got a reaction from portmahomack saint in Scum Israeli cnuts slaughter innocents   
    Just wanted to add my thoughts before I sign off from this thread
    The "scum Israelis", in my view are the group in power who hide behind a weak Netanyahu as they continue to push their fear & persecution agenda so that they can gain & retain power, whether that be for the sake of Ideaology, personal gain, ignorance or a combination thereof.
    The vast majority of Israelis would be reasonable people whose attitudes & instincts are tempered by the situation they find themselves in.  Like many in our country, the fear mongers have developed a warped sense of identity, entitlement and persecution in what they see as their homeland and a lot of ordinary people who would come to a different conclusion are being led up the garden path.  In work, I often refer to the work of Stanley Milgram when exploring behaviours and he sought out, as the child of Jewish refugees, to understand how perfectly decent and reasonable Germans were led to committ the atrocities of the third reich.  His research suggests to many that the presence of an "authority figure" who absolves people of any responsibility they might feel when carrying out command, a common subject or enemy, an unremitting message & line of command along with an end that justifies the means are the basic blocks of manipulating mass behaviour.  People's behaviours towards others are basically motivated by either fear (hatred is simply a product of fear) or kindness and you can convince people that the best way to be kind to their kin is to unite against someone else.  
    There will only be peace for Israel once they accept the fragility and unsustainability of their position and the fact that they really should be doing more to educate their own people and look for a way out of conflict.  Israel is like Palestine, they are a weak nation if left to their own devices and their strength comes from those who subsidise and support them and Palestine's situation is that they are also a weak nation with significantly less outside support.  I really think that Israellis should be asking if it continues to be both fair and sustainable for them to be so dependent on other countries for their sustainability and protection.  I also think Israel needs to rein in their ambitions to restore their domain to what they have been led to believe is their birthright, it isn't.  No part of the earth is anybody's birthright, we are caretakers, not owners and the lack of a concept of being able to share is the backstory to all wars.
    So my not very scientific view is that Israel needs to look to a series of compromises that restores human rights to everyone in their region and the outside actors need to step away from enabling one side whilst offering poor mitigation to the other for the harm done.  The outside actors , in my view, are so scared of offending the pro-Israelli lobby that they simply accede to the demands of the lobby and just continue to compound the mistakes of the past, probably thinking that as individuals they will will be footnotes in history by the time the obvious ultimate shitfest occurs.   In order to quell the pro-Israelli lobby they need to work on the attitudes INSIDE Israel so that the lobby can't continually demand arms & warfare.  Israel and their neighbours need to work on what they can do FOR each other rather than what they can do TO each other.
    The whole area was a giant f**k-up as soon as the outsiders decided they knew best and the only way out of it is for outside parties to stop enabling the entrenched positions and foster a much more benevolent and compassionate attitude.  In short, take away the fear and you have no reason to fight.
    All that being said, it seems to me that unless a totalitarian regime is in place, nobody settles for anything in the near-east and most of the screw-ups started with the removal of totalitarians.  At least it has been proven that warfare and killing is a cycle and not a solution so maybe there is hope, somewhere.
     
    Debate, discuss, argue all you want, i might read it but won't be responding.
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