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Just back . Fantastic. A return to form for the franchise, nice to see a lot of "tips of the hat" to a new hope , touch of comedy was just right.
Also nice to see the CGI was not overused , sometimes a guy in a Stormtrooper costume is just what`s needed.

The stand out name on that list for me would be Alex McLeish. I can't imagine St Mirren could afford him but he'd be exactly the kind of person who would be able to shape the club from the bottom up given a free hand.

As did Ian Murray with Dumbarton.

In all honesty, I hope whoever you guys bring in as new manager can do enough to stop the rot and keep you up this year. It would be a shame to lose the derby games after only one season!

Total respect for Ian Murray few managers would resign from a club. Did not work this time hope it does in the future.

we're never going to all agree with each other on this one - personally i thought Gus's football was bad to watch so i thought his time was up but i would have renewed Danny's contract. i felt he had learned some hard lessons with us and was a better manager when we let him go than he was when we initially signed him. however i know from threads on here that other fans thought the opposite - that we should've kept Gus and that Danny's time was up.. We only agree when things are really shit (TC & Murray had to go, and should've gone sooner) and when things are great (77-87 anyone, European football, 3rd place finishes, Scottish cup win etc.) hopefully the new manager will unite us all again but this time for the right reasons.

I was happy to see Ian Murray appointed as our manager, but i`m delighted to see him leave.

I genuinely feel for the guy. He was subjected to a volley of vicious bile this afternoon as he trudged off the pitch looking like a broken man, and it wasn't nice to witness.
The guy is young, has a family, and a living to make. He didn't set out to f**k this up, it just didn't work out.
Thanks for doing your best, Ian. It wasn't good enough, but I wish you no ill, and hope you can move on from this.

Murray has been a big mistake. Tommy Craig was a big mistake. The club is a shambles at the moment so the next move is going to affect the short term future and must be sound. I'm not sure the club is capable of making a sound footballing decision anymore.

" WHEN Alex Ferguson realised the scale of the shambles he’d inherited at St Mirren he came to two conclusions.
One, that he had to shake the place up from top to bottom, no matter how many players or directors it riled.
And two, that wherever he wanted to take the club, he’d get nowhere unless he dragged the fans along with him.Now 41 years on, a new Saints manager facing similar challenges has blown the second before he’s given himself a proper crack at overcoming the first.
It’s a mistake from which Ian Murray might never fully recover.
Because when he told the freezing band of travelling supporters who’d booed Tuesday’s scrambled 1-1 draw at Raith Rovers that “I know more about football than they do”, he lost the best allies any gaffer can have.
Ask Fergie. In his early days, when the team was rank rotten and the directors were stuck in the 1930s, he went round Paisley bawling through a megaphone to sell the idea that we WERE worth watching.
I’ve been listening to his memories of these times in the audio version of his latest book — though, to be honest, it’s all as fresh as new paint in my mind, because I was there.
As a 13-year-old, I was one of those who hung on a budding genius’s every word as he turned gates of 1,500 into close on 15,000, turned chumps into champions.
Fergie genuinely did create a 12th man. Murray, unfortunately, has left today’s side down to ten.
See, just as the self-styled office joker turns out to be the unfunniest person in the universe, and anyone who starts a sentence “no offence, but...” is about to offend everyone within a five-mile radius, a true expert doesn’t have to tell you how much of an expert they are.Yet that’s what a young guy under pressure has tried to do.
Prefixing his statement by saying he “wasn’t being patronising” only made punters feel more patronised. Later admitting he picked his words poorly only made him look desperate.
Sorry if he reads this and feels like I’m having a pop, but it’s just the way it is.
I was at Stark’s Park on Tuesday and not even the last-gasp free-kick from Stevie Mallan that rescued a point could disguise how poor a display it had been.
At times like these, a smart manager pulls the punters closer to him. He asks them for patience. He thanks them for giving up their time and their money to be there for a horrible midweek fixture.
Even if he doesn’t believe it, he tells them how wonderful and invaluable they are.
It’s either a sign of just how much pressure Murray is feeling right now, or how little he gets the situation, that he misjudged his post-match comments so badly.
As for the assertion itself, that he does know better than the fans? Well, it’s another argument altogether. And one you’d need to be a very confident man indeed to win.
I mean, how does he know who’s in the away end? How does he know he’s not being booed by a Uefa Pro-Licensed Coach?
The assumption that all fans are less educated about football than someone who happens to earn a crust from the game is a dangerous one indeed.
For instance, the previous Friday I’d been at another fairly woeful 1-1 draw, this time at home to Morton.
Within half-a-dozen seats of me were Tony Fitzpatrick and Tommy Turner, two guys who skippered the club to titles, who played more than 1,000 career games between them — and who were both raging at what they’d just witnessed.
Does the manager know better than them? Do THEY have the right to complain?
Fact is, it doesn’t take a professional to know the most basic things are going wrong; like a team going in 1-0 up at half-time, as we did against Morton, then coming back out 15 yards deeper and inviting an equaliser which eventually came.
You don’t need badges to understand this, just as you don’t need to have been in the dugout to know how meekly St Mirren went down at Ibrox on Saturday.And you don’t need the manager’s permission to shout the odds about it.
I hope Ian Murray turns things round and at the very least gets into the promotion play-offs, because the last thing we need is more upheaval.
But if he does, he’ll have to go at least as far as reading the title of Fergie’s manual on management. It’s called Leading. Not Ostracising." Bill Leckie's view in today's Sun

Yup - although we came close in 2003/04 when we had 7 points and were in 8th place after 8 games.
http://www.statto.com/football/teams/st-mirren/2003-2004/table/2003-10-04

Of course we can, that doesn't mean we will
I'm not sure what you are doing on here if you voted "no"

Of course we can, that doesn't mean we will
I'm not sure what you are doing on here if you voted "no"

Of course we can, that doesn't mean we will
I'm not sure what you are doing on here if you voted "no"

Murray should definitely take the blame for tactics and shape of team and the fact we are not pressing higher up the park - however how many corners did we have that was simply a lump into the box?? Surely as professional footballers once they cross the line they need to have a bit of savvy to be able to understand that it's not working, why don't we mix it up - short corner or front post?? It seems like we are not capable of changing things or more importantly quickly realising this isn't working and we need to score a goal. Same goes with our very experienced goalie....lets play the ball out to full back and build from back or down the side (where actually we were getting some joy) than just lumping it up the park!
Murray won't get sacked but he really needs to start delivering on what is a horrendous start to season before we become cast away from even mid table and get in a dog fight with the bottom two for playoff. St Mirren are not too good to go down - that's surely the wake up call for these players that cross the line EVERY game!!!

It wouldn't happen if you'd stop being such a colossal bell end across almost every thread on this forum.

Yep, virtual season tickets not valid, D'oh!
Looking forward to Saturday though

Yes it is a long season and still plenty to play for.
Rangers will scoosh it this year (as much as I hate to think that) as they have invested wisely in a top class manager that could have been plying his trade in the English championship and has a track record of promotions.
A good season for us will be a play off place and that's the best I expect to get.
We have lost 2 games, it's not good, but it's still only August!
We do need a big commanding center half, but I do think we will have enough to finish top 4 we need a bit of time and a few wins will bring a but if swagger to this young squad.
Have a bit of patience for the first 10 games it will take a bit of time.

Let`s face it the original poster has a point.
The forum used to be a hotbed for St.Mirren-related discussion but the quality has decreased in recent years.
Most of the threads start positively but quickly turn to childish bitching (usually by the same dull members).
It`s a chore to sift through pages of egotistic/obnoxious/verbal diarrhoea just to find something vaguely on-topic.
Others posters find it hilarious and necessary to post absolute nonsense.
Many posts are impossible to read because of the atrocious use of the English language.
Instead of allowing posters to walk away why don`t we accept that we need to make the forum better?
Why not raise the standards?
It is important to do this now more than ever because of other outlets such as St.Mirren radio and TV.
Just a thought.

Welcome aboard Jamie. But please do not read this forum.

Maybe decent football threads won't get ruined by the usual nonsense.
Plenty of threads in general nonsense section to talk pish for the usual suspects.

Deary me, first derby in years. Watch on TV? Give it a rest! Get down there and get stuck in!

My son likes both tops, but after today's visit to JD Silverburn, it doesn't look like he will get either.
They managed to have a few adult tops, but no kids at all.
I asked JD, just to annoy them really, when they would be stocking kids tops, but they have no idea when they will get them.
It's a total shambles as usual, and the usual apologists will say there are more important issues, but not to an 11 year old who's pals are kicking about in their new old firm kits, while he waits on JD getting their finger out their arse.

Don't post much anymore, but like popping in now and again. Just to wish you guys good luck next season (well in most games). Here's hoping we can both give The Rangers a right good pumping in the coming months! . ​

How come you aren't directly answering the quote, is it because you're full of shite?