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5 hours ago, Drew said:

I would struggle to get my head round Smith going on loan to Ayr.

From a season at the club that skooshed the Championship, to a move to a club newly promoted to that league? How does that aid his development?

He would be a good fit for us, and, I suspect, we would be a good fit for him.

Must be a couple of reasons. Main one being Hearts don't want him helping out an SPL side. With Ayr he is likely to be challenged more and will need to prove himself in a weaker team. With us he had better players around him which can help you out, Ayr won't have the same.

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4 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Must be a couple of reasons. Main one being Hearts don't want him helping out an SPL side. With Ayr he is likely to be challenged more and will need to prove himself in a weaker team. With us he had better players around him which can help you out, Ayr won't have the same.

So we are a weaker team now. 

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2 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said:

 


But we’re playing in a higher division now. :1eye

 

Right, and?

Our Championship squad was clearly a good side as they won the league. Ayr have not started their season yet. Therefore we cannot gain a true measure of their quality. I would imagine Ayr would be weaker than our CH team from last season. Currently this is an assumption of mine. Hence why I said for this season, Liam Smith will have to prove himself in a weaker team with Ayr than the team he played for last season. What do you not understand?

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23 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Right, and?

Our Championship squad was clearly a good side as they won the league. Ayr have not started their season yet. Therefore we cannot gain a true measure of their quality. I would imagine Ayr would be weaker than our CH team from last season. Currently this is an assumption of mine. Hence why I said for this season, Liam Smith will have to prove himself in a weaker team with Ayr than the team he played for last season. What do you not understand?

Surely the key to incremental player development is to test him at a higher lever as opposed to having to prove himself in a weaker team?

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52 minutes ago, Drew said:

Surely the key to incremental player development is to test him at a higher lever as opposed to having to prove himself in a weaker team?

I guess Hearts are in two places here. They may not want to help out a fellow SPL side by handing them Smith. But they don't feel he is ready for their side either. So they've gone back to the same league as last season.  Perhaps Ayr were first to ask for his service from that league and got first dibs. I'm not sure what the thinking of Hearts here is, but I reckon it's a tougher challenge for him. He proved last year he could do well with a good team around him, one which he contributed well too. Now he's in the same league, same level as last season, but with a team who would most likely be weaker than us, facing some very strong opposition (looks to be some season coming up down there). He may have to stand out more here having been a league winner the season before. He's proven his mental strength in a title battle, but he may have to prove it at the other end this time. Shame, it would have been good to have him back here and let him battle it out with P.McGinn for the RB spot.

I reckon Ayr could stay up. Alloa will most likely finish bottom, and I fancy Morton to suffer for sacking Duffy and finish 9th.

ETA: Their League Cup performance shows they are no mugs. Could be the surprise package of that league.

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Right, and?
Our Championship squad was clearly a good side as they won the league. Ayr have not started their season yet. Therefore we cannot gain a true measure of their quality. I would imagine Ayr would be weaker than our CH team from last season. Currently this is an assumption of mine. Hence why I said for this season, Liam Smith will have to prove himself in a weaker team with Ayr than the team he played for last season. What do you not understand?


Your post.

That’s what I don’t understand!

:1eye
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13 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Right, and therefore a weaker team.

Our Championship squad was clearly a good side as they won the league. Ayr have not started their season yet. Therefore we cannot gain a true measure of their quality. I would imagine Ayr would be weaker than our CH team from last season. Currently this is an assumption of mine. Hence why I said for this season, Liam Smith will have to prove himself in a weaker team with Ayr than the team he played for last season. What do you not understand?

Were we not a weak team when Liam Smith joined us.  

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9 hours ago, HSS said:

I've a feeling Ayr will have a good season,possibly challenging for a Play Off place.

I can't see it tbh. Ross County, ICT, Pars, Falkirk, Dundee Utd and Partick all in that league, looks hellish. Glad we got out of this one!

1 hour ago, pod said:

Were we not a weak team when Liam Smith joined us.  

We were on the up at that point, things were coming together. Of course adding Liam in helped!

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On ‎7‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 11:08 PM, djchapsticks said:

I'd take all three. Stewart in particular is a decent player at our level. Never really hit it off at Aberdeen last season though.

Looks like we flagged up his availability ! Aberdeen and Hearts in for him now which effectively ends our aspirations !

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2 hours ago, billyg said:

Looks like we flagged up his availability ! Aberdeen and Hearts in for him now which effectively ends our aspirations !

I guess if they offer more cash then maybe, but Stewart and BCFC other consideration has got to be game time, how much would he get at either of those, compared to us? Where is he most likely to develop and shine? And of course contacts.... the old boy network usually decides. Is Stubbzo in their good books?

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1 hour ago, Lord Pityme said:

I guess if they offer more cash then maybe, but Stewart and BCFC other consideration has got to be game time, how much would he get at either of those, compared to us? Where is he most likely to develop and shine? And of course contacts.... the old boy network usually decides. Is Stubbzo in their good books?

Money is always the number one factor add the size of these clubs they have a greater pulling power. 

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11 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:

Money is always the number one factor add the size of these clubs they have a greater pulling power. 

Hmm not always in the case of loanees.

i would guess Stubbzo, if he is lucky would get a couple of everton lads on 'development loans' that meaning everton still pay their wages, we cover their digs and expenses and have to play as long as they are fit! Everton would decide if they were fit to play.

if a club takes a 'full loan' then they cover the wages, and call most of the shots, bit like Liam Smith last year. And thats perhaps why Hearts want him to go to the championship where Ayr or whoever covers most of his wages?

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41 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Hmm not always in the case of loanees.

i would guess Stubbzo, if he is lucky would get a couple of everton lads on 'development loans' that meaning everton still pay their wages, we cover their digs and expenses and have to play as long as they are fit! Everton would decide if they were fit to play.

if a club takes a 'full loan' then they cover the wages, and call most of the shots, bit like Liam Smith last year. And thats perhaps why Hearts want him to go to the championship where Ayr or whoever covers most of his wages?

Fingers crossed.  

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Looks like we flagged up his availability ! Aberdeen and Hearts in for him now which effectively ends our aspirations !

This is not the 1990’s.

If a player is available, an agent can have an email sent to every Premier League side in Scotland and all English League 1 clubs in England in a matter of an hour. Added into this that he spent last season on loan at Aberdeen, how can we exclusively flag up the availability of a player to a team, when that player has just returned from being on loan at said team?

Does it not seem unrealistic to suggest that they had not had a discussion previously about the player’s plans for this year and were indeed fully aware of his availability all along?

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, W6Saint said:

This is not the 1990’s.

If a player is available, an agent can have an email sent to every Premier League side in Scotland and all English League 1 clubs in England in a matter of an hour. Added into this that he spent last season on loan at Aberdeen, how can we exclusively flag up the availability of a player to a team, when that player has just returned from being on loan at said team?

Does it not seem unrealistic to suggest that they had not had a discussion previously about the player’s plans for this year and were indeed fully aware of his availability all along?

 

 

 

Who knows ? Not me or you anyway ! I was just speculating , wasn't looking for an in-depth analysis ! ^_^

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23 hours ago, billyg said:

Looks like we flagged up his availability ! Aberdeen and Hearts in for him now which effectively ends our aspirations !

Be surprised if Aberdeen a) Didn't know about his availability and b) Would be desperate to have him back,  given his not overly impressive spell there last season.

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