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The thing is you don't always get what you want. We have already signed 4 players who were targeted which is pretty decent. You want a player and them wanting you are two different things. Maybe the Slovaks' families did not want to move to Scotland; maybe they got better offers; maybe there are injury concerns; maybe they are house hunting right now. Once you have ran through all your targets (remember EVERY club is looking for players) you have then to consider some that weren't originally in the frame and some than just suddenly became available. Let's chill and see what happens.

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There is nothing for the club to say - the guy was only in for a trial and that presumably happens all the time. It's just the frenzy on here that made it any different. I'm sure dozens of unsigned players turn up at training throughout a season, it doesn't mean they are being given a contract.
There are many reasons why deals may or may not work out, I'd like to hear where the club stands - whether we are, or are not, interested and pursuing.
Just nosey...

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22 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said:

So far we've lost 4 of the team that started against Kilmarnock, Lyness, Jones, Smith & Hammill.

We've signed replacements for Lyness, Jones & Smith. Are these guys better than the 3 guys replacing them?

 

 

No Idea, but then I've no idea if they are worse.  Jones when Anton came in was one of our better players, Lyness did nothing wrong and in fact was a big contributor to our win at Motherwell.  Smith v Lyons if the stuff being said about Lyons is correct then it’s safe to assume he is a better option, based on Smith’s season .  Hammill is the reason we are still in with a chance of surviving.  That’s not counting the fact that Anton may well be off, so all things considered we may well be weaker as a unit.

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There are a fair few on here that thought players from Man Utd, Southampton, Middlesborough and Birmingham werent good enough for us. So just because player A. Comes from a championship/League one/Two club or has been loaned there means nowt.

what is a concern is it appears that aside from Lyons who required no scouting at all, we seem to have dried up already on the multitude of targets Gus had lined up.

We'll soon be back picking over the bones of players out of the picture at diddy premiership/championship clubs up here, and/or Oran getting free reign to populate our squad with a swathe of hammer-throwers from his old league.

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15 minutes ago, Iamhammer said:

No Idea, but then I've no idea if they are worse.  Jones when Anton came in was one of our better players, Lyness did nothing wrong and in fact was a big contributor to our win at Motherwell.  Smith v Lyons if the stuff being said about Lyons is correct then it’s safe to assume he is a better option, based on Smith’s season .  Hammill is the reason we are still in with a chance of surviving.  That’s not counting the fact that Anton may well be off, so all things considered we may well be weaker as a unit.

 

Hammill is undoubtedly the loss and it was always going to be extremely unlikely that he could be replaced.

 

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1 hour ago, Wendy Saintss said:

So far we've lost 4 of the team that started against Kilmarnock, Lyness, Jones, Smith & Hammill.

We've signed replacements for Lyness, Jones & Smith. Are these guys better than the 3 guys replacing them?

 

 

Only time will tell.  I hope Sweeper is right and that we get a couple more in today or tomorrow.  Big striker,  winger and natural left back.  After that loan players of quality in advanced positions. 

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46 minutes ago, turrabuddie said:

There are many reasons why deals may or may not work out, I'd like to hear where the club stands - whether we are, or are not, interested and pursuing.
Just nosey...

Sorry but it is not in the best interests to keep the fans updated while things are in an ongoing process - they will update us when players are signed and sealed though...

They may not tell us why some things did not work out - Sonny's post above gives you a good flavour of possible senarios

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5 minutes ago, St.Ricky said:

Only time will tell.  I hope Sweeper is right and that we get a couple more in today or tomorrow.  Big striker,  winger and natural left back.  After that loan players of quality in advanced positions. 

Xmas has past.

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2 minutes ago, pod said:

Xmas has past.

I'm not looking for gifts.  As another poster showed, in previous transfer windows,  the later in the window the player signed then the better quality they tended to be. 

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10 minutes ago, St.Ricky said:

I'm not looking for gifts.  As another poster showed, in previous transfer windows,  the later in the window the player signed then the better quality they tended to be. 

You won't be disappointed then.

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1 hour ago, djchapsticks said:

Apologies,

I thought he was at Everton but I think it's that he was an Everton fan.

I get what you're saying but guys like Newton and Dummett (and Billy O'Brien to a lesser extent) are very much exceptions to the rule.. Our record in this market is not cause for optimism.

I can see where you are coming from, though if he is one of the players we have monitored through our new vetting system, or at least done a bit of research on, there is nothing to say he's not worth having a look at.

The difference this time round to what Stubbs had done, is we are not quickfire signing anyone without at least having some sort of knowledge of them. 

 

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There are a fair few on here that thought players from Man Utd, Southampton, Middlesborough and Birmingham werent good enough for us. So just because player A. Comes from a championship/League one/Two club or has been loaned there means nowt.
what is a concern is it appears that aside from Lyons who required no scouting at all, we seem to have dried up already on the multitude of targets Gus had lined up.
We'll soon be back picking over the bones of players out of the picture at diddy premiership/championship clubs up here, and/or Oran getting free reign to populate our squad with a swathe of hammer-throwers from his old league.

Every club with no money to buy players will be picking over the bones in the January transfer window majority of footballers contracts run out in the summer window.

You have no idea what targets or even how many were lined up and targets will change throughout January for several reasons players might not even become available till late on in January.

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Sorry but it is not in the best interests to keep the fans updated while things are in an ongoing process - they will update us when players are signed and sealed though...
They may not tell us why some things did not work out - Sonny's post above gives you a good flavour of possible senarios
I get all of that, however, it doesn't stop me from wanting to hear more from the club. Happy with the business to date, just eager for more info.

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3 minutes ago, turrabuddie said:
3 hours ago, Sweeper07 said:
Sorry but it is not in the best interests to keep the fans updated while things are in an ongoing process - they will update us when players are signed and sealed though...
They may not tell us why some things did not work out - Sonny's post above gives you a good flavour of possible senarios

I get all of that, however, it doesn't stop me from wanting to hear more from the club. Happy with the business to date, just eager for more info.

We are all in the same boat  . . .  the good ship "Have Patience"

January is always a tough gig - but the management team are doing a great job - they will do everything they can within their power to do us proud...

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We are going in to the Alloa, Celtic and Hibs games with holes still all over the squad.

Pretty poor from the club in my opinion to again be underprepared for crucial games. Gus is supposed to working full time on ensuring this type of situation doesn't happen!

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4 hours ago, Lord Pityme said:

what is a concern is it appears that aside from Lyons who required no scouting at all, we seem to have dried up already on the multitude of targets Gus had lined up.

We'll soon be back picking over the bones of players out of the picture at diddy premiership/championship clubs up here, and/or Oran getting free reign to populate our squad with a swathe of hammer-throwers from his old league.

Can’t be too sure. It could be a matter of waiting on the other club to get someone in before they release a player to us. We might as well wait until the window shuts before making our assumptions.

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1 minute ago, Kemp said:

We are going in to the Alloa, Celtic and Hibs games with holes still all over the squad.

Pretty poor from the club in my opinion to again be underprepared for crucial games. Gus is supposed to working full time on ensuring this type of situation doesn't happen!

He is and I suspect it is not that easy. It never is in January and even ones who look like  they are great don't always follow through and sign..

Have a you a list of realistic targets he has missed?

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8 minutes ago, Kemp said:

We are going in to the Alloa, Celtic and Hibs games with holes still all over the squad.

Pretty poor from the club in my opinion to again be underprepared for crucial games. Gus is supposed to working full time on ensuring this type of situation doesn't happen!

I thought someone boasting about their superhuman levels of empathy on another thread would at least show some of it in this case.

We have 4 fewer holes than we did last month for example. You could at least show some acknowledgement of that for a start.

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6 minutes ago, Kemp said:

We are going in to the Alloa, Celtic and Hibs games with holes still all over the squad.

Pretty poor from the club in my opinion to again be underprepared for crucial games. Gus is supposed to working full time on ensuring this type of situation doesn't happen!

If everything were that easy.  The manager has said still business and out before the end of the window.  Regardless of squad we would expect beat Alloa home and lose to Septic away.  Hibs is the 27th so a good bit of time yet for the first game that you'd really speculate about the outcome.  

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