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1 minute ago, beyond our ken said:

Having decided on a somewhat bizarre set of clubs to benefit from the elite status academies, I wouldn't be surprised if the SFA self-validate their decision by mainly naming players from those clubs.

But i cant be arsed checking.

There is something seriously wrong with Scotland’s “development”. Ignoring Dundee United, Falkirk and Saints was extremely bizarre and it was sad to see Falkirk closing the academy after this, they’ve had some excellent players come through.

This “elite” shite isn’t going to improve the national team. It’s the coaching that matters, the training. Placing the better young guys against each other will hamper the players who aren’t as good, while it still won’t change much at the top end, because they aren’t being coached differently.

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Got to think the only reason for us signing a right back is because we know or expect Lee Hodson to be gone.

Doesn't really make any sense at all otherwise.

 

Reassuring though to know that there is still room for 4 more signings. Going to be an interesting 10 days.

My guess is a left back, left winger, big lump centre forward as definite and AN other from wee pacy centre forward, centre half or right back (if Hodson goes)

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3 hours ago, St.Ricky said:

If Hodson goes then that would leave room to take Wallace.

I'm not sure about that. I thought it was one loan from club per season, end of story. Had a quick look online but can't find the exact rule. Anyone able to confirm this?

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18 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

There is something seriously wrong with Scotland’s “development”. Ignoring Dundee United, Falkirk and Saints was extremely bizarre and it was sad to see Falkirk closing the academy after this, they’ve had some excellent players come through.

This “elite” shite isn’t going to improve the national team. It’s the coaching that matters, the training. Placing the better young guys against each other will hamper the players who aren’t as good, while it still won’t change much at the top end, because they aren’t being coached differently.

Aye, its a load of shite.

Malky MacKay is an odious c**t as well. SFA really are a rabble of shitehawks, its little wonder our national team has declined so badly.

I live in hope one day we will see a clear out there and some forward-thinking leadership.

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25 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

There is something seriously wrong with Scotland’s “development”. Ignoring Dundee United, Falkirk and Saints was extremely bizarre and it was sad to see Falkirk closing the academy after this, they’ve had some excellent players come through.

This “elite” shite isn’t going to improve the national team. It’s the coaching that matters, the training. Placing the better young guys against each other will hamper the players who aren’t as good, while it still won’t change much at the top end, because they aren’t being coached differently.

If its the coaching that matters, how will it hamper the players who aren't as good (eg, St. Mirren youth players), if they are still getting the same coaching as before?

 

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We've been playing 3 central defenders to accommodate Ferdinand.

If we continue with this then I don't think another winger is a priority.

If we continue with 3 central defenders then I think the priorities are striker, central defender and full back (who can play either side).

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1 hour ago, waldorf34 said:

The long term does not look too good,no Saints players in latest Scotland  under 17 squad

We've got that in common with everyone except Septic, Motherwell, Hamilton Aberdeen and Hearts.  And increasingly Scotland are sourcing players from down south.  8 out of 20 this time. We had a 17 year old score our second on Saturday.  Not really tough times.

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38 minutes ago, Kemp said:

I'm not sure about that. I thought it was one loan from club per season, end of story. Had a quick look online but can't find the exact rule. Anyone able to confirm this?

Sevco loaned Hardie to Livvy, recalled him, gave him a new contract, then loaned him to Livvy Again. So it seems to be one at a time from another premiership club.

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24 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said:

We've been playing 3 central defenders to accommodate Ferdinand.

If we continue with this then I don't think another winger is a priority.

If we continue with 3 central defenders then I think the priorities are striker, central defender and full back (who can play either side).

Problem is Ethan cannot play as a left wing back as was clearly shown at Kilmarnock. If we play with a back three we definitely need someone on the left.

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46 minutes ago, Kemp said:

Aye, its a load of shite.

Malky MacKay is an odious c**t as well. SFA really are a rabble of shitehawks, its little wonder our national team has declined so badly.

I live in hope one day we will see a clear out there and some forward-thinking leadership.

I always go back to this but being Belgian as well as Scottish, I witnessed both going into decline at the same time. I witnessed one country say enough is enough, researched ideas and then revamped the entire youth setup. The other country said “yeah it’s fine, we’ll be alright”. No prizes for guessing which country finished 3rd at the World Cup and which one hasn’t qualified for anything this millennium.

38 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said:

If its the coaching that matters, how will it hamper the players who aren't as good (eg, St. Mirren youth players), if they are still getting the same coaching as before?

The way I see it, because St Mirren won’t be in the “elite” league, our young guys will be playing poorer quality opposition. Over time the poorer quality will not do much to aid the development of our players than if they had the opportunity to take on some of the better sides.

When I say coaching, I’m talking from a young age. Right from the beginning when they are kids. Long before they hit U17 level. Belgium revamped things top to bottom across all age groups, so the style of play, coaching and training that was planned began at a young age. The coaching I’m on about is the long term, the Elite league pish is shorter term and by then a lot of the development damage is done.

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31 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said:

We've been playing 3 central defenders to accommodate Ferdinand.

If we continue with this then I don't think another winger is a priority.

If we continue with 3 central defenders then I think the priorities are striker, central defender and full back (who can play either side).

The problem at the moment is we do not know who if anyone is still going to depart- as well as what positions we are trying to fill.

CF and LB is a no brainer though - if the LB can play well on both sides or centrally then that is a welcome bonus.

Depending on what happens with MacKenzie, a CB might not be a priority. He could be up to speed soon, but probably not before the window closes. If he has a set back and at some point we need a CB, then that is the time for an emergency loan.

A winger or attacking LM is a priority at least until Magennis is fit, and also if he breaks down again.. though a new LB could allow Erhahon to play there too.

I think if we play 3 CB's, which we will sometimes, the wingbacks need to be better than what we have right now... oops sorry if anyone disagrees. :argue:

If Hodson goes, then we are a RB/RM short. McAllister looks great but we need cover too.

We are as yet a bit too thin on the ground squad wise. .  it is moving too slowly this week . . . arrrgggghhhhh ! :spud7

Hope the moves click into place nicely and we go from relative chaos to strength ~ASAP

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18 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

I always go back to this but being Belgian as well as Scottish, I witnessed both going into decline at the same time. I witnessed one country say enough is enough, researched ideas and then revamped the entire youth setup. The other country said “yeah it’s fine, we’ll be alright”. No prizes for guessing which country finished 3rd at the World Cup and which one hasn’t qualified for anything this millennium.

The way I see it, because St Mirren won’t be in the “elite” league, our young guys will be playing poorer quality opposition. Over time the poorer quality will not do much to aid the development of our players than if they had the opportunity to take on some of the better sides.

When I say coaching, I’m talking from a young age. Right from the beginning when they are kids. Long before they hit U17 level. Belgium revamped things top to bottom across all age groups, so the style of play, coaching and training that was planned began at a young age. The coaching I’m on about is the long term, the Elite league pish is shorter term and by then a lot of the development damage is done.

I know a bit about what happens with the Tic. They grow their boys together from as early as they can. They send them to the same school, if they can etc So their team grows up together. My friends boy signed with them as a main striker. He was talked into it by all the glamour and a friendly where he was a star. He signed and played for weeks, scoring regularly, setting up others - until their regular main striker returned from injury, and my friends boy was dropped like a stone to the bench, even though their regular boy took weeks to really get back to fitness - they had already invested more in him and my friends boy did not want to move to "their school" PS despite being a regular scorer at another Premiership boys team previously, it was only when he signed for the Tic that he immediately got called up to play for Scotland . .   

Anyway - Scotland would be far better if the 2 ugly sisters left our leagues . . 

Edited by Sweeper07

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2 hours ago, Wendy Saintss said:

What if we went with 3 central defenders (as we have been doing when Ferdinand has been in the side)?

 

I hate that formation, so I'm hoping we don't go with it :lol:

4-2-3-1

4-4-2

4-5-1

In order of my preference. 3 at the back always seems a bit awkward 

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1 minute ago, Doakes said:

I hate that formation, so I'm hoping we don't go with it :lol:

4-2-3-1

4-4-2

4-5-1

In order of my preference. 3 at the back always seems a bit awkward 

3 CB's is fine if you have the right wingbacks . . . and the right wide midfielders . . . . and a CF, 2nd F, midfielders and Winger who rattles in the goals . . . :turtle

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6 hours ago, Sonny said:

 

I know the New Club want him out on loan. Maybe our chances are slim however he would be a great addition if we got him.

 

And I doubt we would get Ralston however he was injured against Airdrie and will miss playing us at least.

Cheers sonny that is what I had heard . . . 

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Never mind Tony Ralston. We should brass neck it and ask for Johnny Hayes....genuinely versatile on either wing and so far out of the picture at Celtic that he must be looking to get some sort of move to play football.

Edited by djchapsticks

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4 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

Never mind Tony Ralston. We should brass neck it and ask for Johnny Hayes....genuinely versatile on either wing and so far out of the picture at Celtic that he must be looking to get some sort of move to play football.

How is his fitness though - he did have a big injury ? Though understand your thinking with them having signed a number of competitors in his position.

The fit Hayes we used to see would be an asset to us of course . :)

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7 minutes ago, Sweeper07 said:

How is his fitness though - he did have a big injury ? Though understand your thinking with them having signed a number of competitors in his position.

The fit Hayes we used to see would be an asset to us of course . :)

Quite the opposite of him being miles out the picture as I first thought, he's featured in 4 of their last 7 games and been on the bench every game since September.

Surely now though he's going to be forced down the pecking order given they've signed Weah and Burke and are trying to get this Ukranian guy

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13 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

Never mind Tony Ralston. We should brass neck it and ask for Johnny Hayes....genuinely versatile on either wing and so far out of the picture at Celtic that he must be looking to get some sort of move to play football.

I don’t think asking for Hayes would be brass necking it. Said previously, if Morgan isn’t/won’t come then we should ask for Hayes. I don’t see him getting any game time at Parkhead, and he’d be a cert to start for us. At least ask the question.

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8 minutes ago, turrabuddie said:

I don’t think asking for Hayes would be brass necking it. Said previously, if Morgan isn’t/won’t come then we should ask for Hayes. I don’t see him getting any game time at Parkhead, and he’d be a cert to start for us. At least ask the question.

Hayes would be a good signing.  

Certainly worth asking. 

 

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