Speculation Thread

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Edited June 19 by pod

[beyond our ken]

On 6/18/2022 at 2:30 PM, Cumbriansaint72 said:

All this makes for really good reading and once again I eat another slice of humble pie of jumping on the SR not good enough train.

It certainly does seem that he isn't going to be messed around with players taking time whether they have other contract offers or waiting possibly for other ones coming in. It would appear you either want to play for him or you are out. I actually like that attitude.

Also like the fact he is getting them in ASAP so the 'new' team gels for the start of the season.

I would check the sell-by date on the pie or stick in the freezer for now.  it will be 3 months before we see any evidence of how things are changing on the field

[djchapsticks]

Villa willing to listen to offers for John McGinn.

[Rascal]

50 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

Villa willing to listen to offers for John McGinn.

£60-70m  at least 

[djchapsticks]

23 minutes ago, Rascal said:

£60-70m  at least 

Not a chance, if they are willing to offer him out to clubs it will be about half that or less.

[munoz]

23 minutes ago, Rascal said:

£60-70m  at least 

Would be lovely,  but more likely £35-£45m.

[JJ McG]

24 minutes ago, Rascal said:

£60-70m  at least 

No chance, It won’t even be 30 if they are willing to listen to offers.

[munoz]

1 minute ago, JJ McG said:

No chance, It won’t even be 30 if they are willing to listen to offers.

He's got to worth £30m going by the crazy Premiership prices. 

[faraway saint]

1 hour ago, Rascal said:

£60-70m  at least 

🤣Dearie me.

[Callum Gilhooley]

I think his displays against ROI & Ukraine wiped £20 mill off his value 🙄😂

[Callum Gilhooley]

https://www.footballinsider247.com/aston-villa-mcginn-offers/
 

Whinging John 😮.      

[faraway saint]

28 minutes ago, Callum Gilhooley said:

I think his displays against ROI & Ukraine wiped £20 mill off his value 🙄😂

The shape of his heid certainly wiped off £10m in the Ukraine game.  

#ahcouldhavescoredthat

[munoz]

I thought McGinn looked tired towards the tail of the season. A good rest and a change of club will probably see him recapture his previous good form. He's not on the downslope of his career yet.

[stlucifer]

53 minutes ago, Callum Gilhooley said:

https://www.footballinsider247.com/aston-villa-mcginn-offers/
 

Whinging John 😮.      

I doubt that's true as, just a couple of months ago, we got this insight:

Steven Gerrard sends clear message to Man Utd over John McGinn transfer - Mirror Online

[faraway saint]

42 minutes ago, munoz said:

I thought McGinn looked tired towards the tail of the season. A good rest and a change of club will probably see him recapture his previous good form. He's not on the downslope of his career yet.

Villa certainly tailed off in the last quarter, McGinn lost some form in that time. 

I agree a wee rest, even if he's not with another team  will see him regain the form he showed for most of the season.

Edited June 20 by faraway saint

[JJ McG]

Matt butcher not coming, he’s signing for Plymouth.

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Think McGinn is Gerrard's cash cow.  Needs money to rebuild his team. 

[Mainstand Sweary Mob]

Matt butcher not coming, he’s signing for Plymouth.

That's a shame as the Belgian got annoyed at the Messing about. Hopefully it wasn't to see what Butcher was up to. Could have been good as fakes fans were well jealous. Any news on Gogic at all?

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[Cumbriansaint72]

1 hour ago, JJ McG said:

Matt butcher not coming, he’s signing for Plymouth.

To be fair I think they are probably willing to pay higher wages. 

[Ethan]

2 hours ago, pod said:

Think McGinn is Gerrard's cash cow.  Needs money to rebuild his team. 

I think you hit the nail on the head

[exiledfan]

He's also at an age where clubs will want him on a 4 year contract and at 27 is heading into his peak years .  How do we get money though if he went to his first. 

[Rascal]

6 hours ago, Callum Gilhooley said:

I think his displays against ROI & Ukraine wiped £20 mill off his value 🙄😂

You have a point CG.  He didn’t add to his value in the games he played that’s for sure. I don’t watch English football (I have no skin in the game)so didn’t see any of his AV performances.

He wasn’t the only one though. Robertson had been in great form but neither he nor McGinn were able to bring it to the table over the past 2/3 games.

I like the fact that estimates on here range from a low of £30m to my high side north of £60m.

But, what do I know? Not a lot clearly as I thought that Celtic were fortunate to get what they did for Van D who was then sold on to Liverpool for what £75m?

If JMCG is sold for Any of these figures it would add significant money to our coffers.

[djchapsticks]

34 minutes ago, exiledfan said:

He's also at an age where clubs will want him on a 4 year contract and at 27 is heading into his peak years .  How do we get money though if he went to his first. 

Because the agreement Hibs made with us is that we get a 30% sell on of any transfer fee Hibs get for McGinn. We already made significant money when he went to Villa and another hefty sum when they went up, so we do get a cut of any clauses as well.

It turns out Hibs negotiated in turn a 15% sell on for any profit made on McGinn which means they are obligated to give us almost a third of their 15% sell on. Hibs chairman confirmed as much at their AGM 2 seasons ago.

In addition to this, there is 5% set aside in every transfer in world football for a solidarity fee to be paid to clubs that train a player up and the cut increases as the player develops.

In our case, we trained John from 13 (when the fees start to kick in) until 20 and are due 3.5% of any future transfer fee involving him. Hibs trained him from 21-23 and so are due 1.5%.

So for example, based on say, a £30m transfer, the money would be broken down as follows:

• £30m transfer less £3m Villa paid = £27m profit.
• Hibs take a 15% cut of that £27m = £4.05m
• Hibs pass 30% of that to SMFC = £1.21m
• 5% of the 30m transfer is also set aside = £1.5m
• Hibs get 1.5% of that 5% = £450k
• We get 3.5% of the 5% = £1.05m
• Hibs make £3.3m in sell on and developmental fee
• St. Mirren make £2.25m in sell on and developmental fee

 

Edited June 20 by djchapsticks

[CraigyBoy]

2 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

Because the agreement Hibs made with us is that we get a 30% sell on of any transfer fee Hibs get for McGinn.

It turns out Hibs negotiated in turn a 15% sell on for any profit made on McGinn which means they are obliged to give us almost a third of their 15% sell on. Hibs chairman confirmed as much at their AGM 2 seasons ago.

In addition to this, there is 5% set aside in every transfer in world football for a solidarity fee to be paid to clubs that train a player up and the cut increases as the player develops.

In our case, we trained John from 13 (when the fees start to kick in) until 20 and are due 3.5% of any future transfer fee involving him. Hibs trained him from 21-23 and so are due 1.5%.

So for example, based on say, a £30m transfer, the money would be broken down as follows:

• £30m transfer less £3m Villa paid = £27m profit.
• Hibs take a 15% cut of that £27m = £4.05m
• Hibs pass 30% of that to SMFC = £1.21m
• 5% of the 30m transfer is also set aside = £1.5m
• Hibs get 1.5% of that 5% = £450k
• We get 3.5% of the 5% = £1.05m
• Hibs make £3.3m in sell on and developmental fee
• St. Mirren make £2.25m in sell on and developmental fee

 

Wasn't aware of all that - appreciate the very thorough explanation 👍👍