The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

[pozbaird]

that's me signed up but no conformation through the e mail. not being a ST holder means i can now put something into the club each month if i can't attend games each week.

get signed up

I registered interest, then pledged. I haven't received any e-mails at all. They aren't being treated as junk mail or anything, and my e-mail appears to be working as normal.

Disgrace. Get it sorted Atkinson / MacPherson / Lennon / Potter / Coughlin

Delete as appropriate.

[TsuMirren]

I registered interest, then pledged. I haven't received any e-mails at all. They aren't being treated as junk mail or anything, and my e-mail appears to be working as normal.

Disgrace. Get it sorted Atkinson / MacPherson / Lennon / Potter / Coughlin

Delete as appropriate.

It's an automatic mail, generated by the site. Could well be that these are junk, whilst you get others. I'm sure you've checked though Poz, indeed I'm positive!

[pozbaird]

It's an automatic mail, generated by the site. Could well be that these are junk, whilst you get others. I'm sure you've checked though Poz, indeed I'm positive!

I always check my junk mailbox. Bloody thing is chock full of messages from the Paisley Muslim Carpet Bowling Club. I'm fed up with the buggers.

[YulBrynner]

Howdy Pardners..

So the Mysterious stranger has addressed the villagers. He spoke well and when the mood amongst the gathering began to fade after the first 45 minutes employed that well known tactic of turning to humour in order to bring the gathering back onside. He has been told what onside and offside is - although having professed to have been always a football fan (where have you heard that old chestnut before? - maybe someone should tell his dad at Maxi), he should have known this anyway.

He is a salesman. There is no harm in this and he seems a decent hombre.

However his opening sentence said it all. ‘THIS IS ALL ABOUT A CIC’. That should really have been along the lines of THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE FUTURE STABILITY, WELFARE AND GROWTH OF ST. MIRREN FOOTBALL CLUB.

Sadly this comment only showed where his true interest lies. Again this does not make him a bad person, just a non-football fan who wants to use our club as a social experiment.

The villagers lapped up the good news. They love their club and want the very best for it. Even as those of us towards the back of the barn struggled now and again to hear at times, questions were asked for by the Stranger. When some of these became a bit intense a proposal from the floor to leave the questions until the end suited his preaching style, wonder where that skill was developed? Once more, no harm in that.

This had the effect of disengaging from some questions from a well-known newssheet and that new fangled wireless thing journalist who was obviously asking her questions in a particular way. From where we were sitting it was obvious that the top table were happy that this was stopped. The villagers seemed to appreciate it too although the two of us Magnificent 7ers (there’s still seven) in attendance could see why she was doing it. This is after all the pesky newssheet way. We don’t think she’s a dumb broad. Oops, sorry wrong soundtrack.

A villager sitting at the front spoke early on and said that if he had been a shareholder then he would have been raging at the lack of respect that has been shown to so many people that have put pesos into the club over the years. This is a fair point and perhaps a sign of times ahead. After all at the club AGM the Stranger, when pressed on this point by a shareholder assured the questioner that the shareholders would be consulted first. That when he earlier said they would hear of progress in the local press and through something called the media was just a slip of the tongue. This was just prior to the big boss taking the microphone, whatever that is, away from him for the first time. The answer and reasoning as to why this courtesy was not adhered to was extremely weak in response.

It is obvious to anyone with a sombrero that the CIC model has lots going for it. The magic word as you might expect is community. This is what the villagers are (literally) buying into. They are to be commended for caring about the community in the first place. It’s just a shame that St. Mirren FC is being used as an experiment to show that a vehicle designed for small to medium community projects is being used to PURCHASE SHARES AND CONTROL OF our football club. It was almost amusing to look around and see all the villagers discussing matters they will have no real control or say over, while the generals elsewhere rub their hands at the thought of all those locals doing the work for them and then paying for the privilege. Even when it was pointed out that we will have a raft of directors, THREE boards including the decision making EXECUTIVE BOARD and a process of management strata that ICI would be proud of all to run a fitba (as you Scots call soccer) team the villager present thought it was worth trying. Now some are saying that if it doesn’t work they will pull out after a year. That’s the point, doing that will bring potential disaster to our front door. That’s why the Stranger said that payments will be by direct debit. Any marketeer will tell you that folk are slow to cancel this type of payment. Others wanted to know what they get for their monthly payment. Surely that is against the spirit of all of this. You should be doing this for community, not to get something from it. This is the project’s weakness. Villagers will leave. Disillusionment will set in. Pressures will come onto the management structure of the club as opposing factions over THREE boards fall out … then? This is the human condition folks.

When another pesky villager asked what would happen when people lose interest, stop paying into the CIC and if it goes bust, the Stranger’s answer defied belief. ‘We will have a problem. We will just have to go back to the funders’. Read that again. This is akin to buying your house, defaulting on the payment then asking the building society for more cash! Bet you don’t fancy putting your club in that position. So if you sign up you damn well better expect to stay.

As for the funders, well they are a big secret. ‘We can’t tell you said the Stranger.’ A PUBLIC meeting and nothing is made public other than the sign up now message… better not mention we are seeking taxpayers’ dollars. Come on!

A local hero, someone the villagers know and trust was asked to introduce proceedings. If he didn’t know before as to why he is there he does now as the Stranger told the villagers that he wouldn’t have expected them to listen to him so that’s why the hero was brought on board!

The third member of the top table was no ranch hand from the Kibble Corral, no he is one of the top men. At one point during proceedings and in scathing tones he actually asked ‘why has this been left to us, it makes you wonder what the board (of SMFC) been doing for the last 10 years?’ Unbelievable. He said this sitting in a brand new football stadium OWNED by a Premier League football club and with a new training ground across town. What a lack of respect, breathtaking arrogance too. This is a proposal. NOTHING has been left to anyone.

In fact the Stranger had already explained that the entire CIC project was his idea. He explained this very clearly and well. He has clearly brought this hombre on board, so for the Kibble Kid to virtually claim that he has seen fit himself to pick up from the current board and by association claim any part in the concept is a bit rich. He was plainly playing to the gallery. Incredibly the villagers applauded this comment. Bad mouthing any board is always acceptable to fans of any club we suppose. Far from us 7 to defend the board but this is bluster at its best. We bet some slugs and a fistful of dollars that he wasn’t a season ticket holder in any of those previous 10 years he referred to! Is he even a Saints fan? That’s one dumb question to ask if he is. To claim the moral high ground in this manner is shocking. He was visibly annoyed at some of the other questions too.

Well, time to get back in the saddle. We’ll mosey on down to the saloon to discuss this more. No doubt you will too.

One parting shot for the moment.

Putting the club at risk is not acceptable. For fans to claim they will try this out and then leave puts the risk into sharp focus as does the only answer if all goes wrong and the £10k contributors – at the moment rumoured to contain FIVE of the current board and committed for one year only - decide to pull out. No wonder they too are a secret. It doesn’t matter what has been done at other clubs anywhere. This is St. Mirren and our club means too much to everyone to depend a house of cards like this for its survival. We have no debt. For a holding company to propose incurring debt to purchase the shares then to TRY to take on more debt if it doesn’t work out is no business strategy. And where is the football in all of this? Maybe the board should change THEIR minds and put their shares on the open market and allow the relative insurance of a mixed board to look after the club as it has done since we became a limited company. After all that is exactly what protected the club from Brealey. With the CIC there is no turning back.

Any more of this and we will have to make a movie!

…to be continued

[jimdickloyal]

heres a radical idea! instead of donating £10 a month to a company making NO Gaurantees what it will achive other than bars for its corporate sponsors etc....

why not INVEST £10 a month in the club?

it has NO debt

it won't be run by a plethora of boards and commitee's

the football will come first, not the local women's Institute whist drive

it's been around for a few years

the current board have managed it wisely including the creation of a brand new (Debt Free) stadium

you might have already worked out this is St Mirren FOOTBALL Club, not the idealogical whim of a Sugar Daddy (minus the sugar)

is it a runner?

No, because the clubs shares remain up for sale

[TsuMirren]

Howdy Pardners..

So the Mysterious stranger has addressed the villagers. He spoke well and when the mood amongst the gathering began to fade after the first 45 minutes employed that well known tactic of turning to humour in order to bring the gathering back onside. He has been told what onside and offside is - although having professed to have been always a football fan (where have you heard that old chestnut before? - maybe someone should tell his dad at Maxi), he should have known this anyway.

He is a salesman. There is no harm in this and he seems a decent hombre.

However his opening sentence said it all. ‘THIS IS ALL ABOUT A CIC’. That should really have been along the lines of THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE FUTURE STABILITY, WELFARE AND GROWTH OF ST. MIRREN FOOTBALL CLUB.

Sadly this comment only showed where his true interest lies. Again this does not make him a bad person, just a non-football fan who wants to use our club as a social experiment.

The villagers lapped up the good news. They love their club and want the very best for it. Even as those of us towards the back of the barn struggled now and again to hear at times, questions were asked for by the Stranger. When some of these became a bit intense a proposal from the floor to leave the questions until the end suited his preaching style, wonder where that skill was developed? Once more, no harm in that.

This had the effect of disengaging from some questions from a well-known newssheet and that new fangled wireless thing journalist who was obviously asking her questions in a particular way. From where we were sitting it was obvious that the top table were happy that this was stopped. The villagers seemed to appreciate it too although the two of us Magnificent 7ers (there’s still seven) in attendance could see why she was doing it. This is after all the pesky newssheet way. We don’t think she’s a dumb broad. Oops, sorry wrong soundtrack.

A villager sitting at the front spoke early on and said that if he had been a shareholder then he would have been raging at the lack of respect that has been shown to so many people that have put pesos into the club over the years. This is a fair point and perhaps a sign of times ahead. After all at the club AGM the Stranger, when pressed on this point by a shareholder assured the questioner that the shareholders would be consulted first. That when he earlier said they would hear of progress in the local press and through something called the media was just a slip of the tongue. This was just prior to the big boss taking the microphone, whatever that is, away from him for the first time. The answer and reasoning as to why this courtesy was not adhered to was extremely weak in response.

It is obvious to anyone with a sombrero that the CIC model has lots going for it. The magic word as you might expect is community. This is what the villagers are (literally) buying into. They are to be commended for caring about the community in the first place. It’s just a shame that St. Mirren FC is being used as an experiment to show that a vehicle designed for small to medium community projects is being used to PURCHASE SHARES AND CONTROL OF our football club. It was almost amusing to look around and see all the villagers discussing matters they will have no real control or say over, while the generals elsewhere rub their hands at the thought of all those locals doing the work for them and then paying for the privilege. Even when it was pointed out that we will have a raft of directors, THREE boards including the decision making EXECUTIVE BOARD and a process of management strata that ICI would be proud of all to run a fitba (as you Scots call soccer) team the villager present thought it was worth trying. Now some are saying that if it doesn’t work they will pull out after a year. That’s the point, doing that will bring potential disaster to our front door. That’s why the Stranger said that payments will be by direct debit. Any marketeer will tell you that folk are slow to cancel this type of payment. Others wanted to know what they get for their monthly payment. Surely that is against the spirit of all of this. You should be doing this for community, not to get something from it. This is the project’s weakness. Villagers will leave. Disillusionment will set in. Pressures will come onto the management structure of the club as opposing factions over THREE boards fall out … then? This is the human condition folks.

When another pesky villager asked what would happen when people lose interest, stop paying into the CIC and if it goes bust, the Stranger’s answer defied belief. ‘We will have a problem. We will just have to go back to the funders’. Read that again. This is akin to buying your house, defaulting on the payment then asking the building society for more cash! Bet you don’t fancy putting your club in that position. So if you sign up you damn well better expect to stay.

As for the funders, well they are a big secret. ‘We can’t tell you said the Stranger.’ A PUBLIC meeting and nothing is made public other than the sign up now message… better not mention we are seeking taxpayers’ dollars. Come on!

A local hero, someone the villagers know and trust was asked to introduce proceedings. If he didn’t know before as to why he is there he does now as the Stranger told the villagers that he wouldn’t have expected them to listen to him so that’s why the hero was brought on board!

The third member of the top table was no ranch hand from the Kibble Corral, no he is one of the top men. At one point during proceedings and in scathing tones he actually asked ‘why has this been left to us, it makes you wonder what the board (of SMFC) been doing for the last 10 years?’ Unbelievable. He said this sitting in a brand new football stadium OWNED by a Premier League football club and with a new training ground across town. What a lack of respect, breathtaking arrogance too. This is a proposal. NOTHING has been left to anyone.

In fact the Stranger had already explained that the entire CIC project was his idea. He explained this very clearly and well. He has clearly brought this hombre on board, so for the Kibble Kid to virtually claim that he has seen fit himself to pick up from the current board and by association claim any part in the concept is a bit rich. He was plainly playing to the gallery. Incredibly the villagers applauded this comment. Bad mouthing any board is always acceptable to fans of any club we suppose. Far from us 7 to defend the board but this is bluster at its best. We bet some slugs and a fistful of dollars that he wasn’t a season ticket holder in any of those previous 10 years he referred to! Is he even a Saints fan? That’s one dumb question to ask if he is. To claim the moral high ground in this manner is shocking. He was visibly annoyed at some of the other questions too.

Well, time to get back in the saddle. We’ll mosey on down to the saloon to discuss this more. No doubt you will too.

One parting shot for the moment.

Putting the club at risk is not acceptable. For fans to claim they will try this out and then leave puts the risk into sharp focus as does the only answer if all goes wrong and the £10k contributors – at the moment rumoured to contain FIVE of the current board and committed for one year only - decide to pull out. No wonder they too are a secret. It doesn’t matter what has been done at other clubs anywhere. This is St. Mirren and our club means too much to everyone to depend a house of cards like this for its survival. We have no debt. For a holding company to propose incurring debt to purchase the shares then to TRY to take on more debt if it doesn’t work out is no business strategy. And where is the football in all of this? Maybe the board should change THEIR minds and put their shares on the open market and allow the relative insurance of a mixed board to look after the club as it has done since we became a limited company. After all that is exactly what protected the club from Brealey. With the CIC there is no turning back.

Any more of this and we will have to make a movie!

…to be continued

You and Martin Bain must really enjoy being members of the pointless typing society.

[St. Sid]

Howdy Pardners..

So the Mysterious stranger has addressed the villagers. He spoke well and when the mood amongst the gathering began to fade after the first 45 minutes employed that well known tactic of turning to humour in order to bring the gathering back onside. He has been told what onside and offside is - although having professed to have been always a football fan (where have you heard that old chestnut before? - maybe someone should tell his dad at Maxi), he should have known this anyway.

He is a salesman. There is no harm in this and he seems a decent hombre.

However his opening sentence said it all. ‘THIS IS ALL ABOUT A CIC’. That should really have been along the lines of THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE FUTURE STABILITY, WELFARE AND GROWTH OF ST. MIRREN FOOTBALL CLUB.

Sadly this comment only showed where his true interest lies. Again this does not make him a bad person, just a non-football fan who wants to use our club as a social experiment.

The villagers lapped up the good news. They love their club and want the very best for it. Even as those of us towards the back of the barn struggled now and again to hear at times, questions were asked for by the Stranger. When some of these became a bit intense a proposal from the floor to leave the questions until the end suited his preaching style, wonder where that skill was developed? Once more, no harm in that.

This had the effect of disengaging from some questions from a well-known newssheet and that new fangled wireless thing journalist who was obviously asking her questions in a particular way. From where we were sitting it was obvious that the top table were happy that this was stopped. The villagers seemed to appreciate it too although the two of us Magnificent 7ers (there’s still seven) in attendance could see why she was doing it. This is after all the pesky newssheet way. We don’t think she’s a dumb broad. Oops, sorry wrong soundtrack.

A villager sitting at the front spoke early on and said that if he had been a shareholder then he would have been raging at the lack of respect that has been shown to so many people that have put pesos into the club over the years. This is a fair point and perhaps a sign of times ahead. After all at the club AGM the Stranger, when pressed on this point by a shareholder assured the questioner that the shareholders would be consulted first. That when he earlier said they would hear of progress in the local press and through something called the media was just a slip of the tongue. This was just prior to the big boss taking the microphone, whatever that is, away from him for the first time. The answer and reasoning as to why this courtesy was not adhered to was extremely weak in response.

It is obvious to anyone with a sombrero that the CIC model has lots going for it. The magic word as you might expect is community. This is what the villagers are (literally) buying into. They are to be commended for caring about the community in the first place. It’s just a shame that St. Mirren FC is being used as an experiment to show that a vehicle designed for small to medium community projects is being used to PURCHASE SHARES AND CONTROL OF our football club. It was almost amusing to look around and see all the villagers discussing matters they will have no real control or say over, while the generals elsewhere rub their hands at the thought of all those locals doing the work for them and then paying for the privilege. Even when it was pointed out that we will have a raft of directors, THREE boards including the decision making EXECUTIVE BOARD and a process of management strata that ICI would be proud of all to run a fitba (as you Scots call soccer) team the villager present thought it was worth trying. Now some are saying that if it doesn’t work they will pull out after a year. That’s the point, doing that will bring potential disaster to our front door. That’s why the Stranger said that payments will be by direct debit. Any marketeer will tell you that folk are slow to cancel this type of payment. Others wanted to know what they get for their monthly payment. Surely that is against the spirit of all of this. You should be doing this for community, not to get something from it. This is the project’s weakness. Villagers will leave. Disillusionment will set in. Pressures will come onto the management structure of the club as opposing factions over THREE boards fall out … then? This is the human condition folks.

When another pesky villager asked what would happen when people lose interest, stop paying into the CIC and if it goes bust, the Stranger’s answer defied belief. ‘We will have a problem. We will just have to go back to the funders’. Read that again. This is akin to buying your house, defaulting on the payment then asking the building society for more cash! Bet you don’t fancy putting your club in that position. So if you sign up you damn well better expect to stay.

As for the funders, well they are a big secret. ‘We can’t tell you said the Stranger.’ A PUBLIC meeting and nothing is made public other than the sign up now message… better not mention we are seeking taxpayers’ dollars. Come on!

A local hero, someone the villagers know and trust was asked to introduce proceedings. If he didn’t know before as to why he is there he does now as the Stranger told the villagers that he wouldn’t have expected them to listen to him so that’s why the hero was brought on board!

The third member of the top table was no ranch hand from the Kibble Corral, no he is one of the top men. At one point during proceedings and in scathing tones he actually asked ‘why has this been left to us, it makes you wonder what the board (of SMFC) been doing for the last 10 years?’ Unbelievable. He said this sitting in a brand new football stadium OWNED by a Premier League football club and with a new training ground across town. What a lack of respect, breathtaking arrogance too. This is a proposal. NOTHING has been left to anyone.

In fact the Stranger had already explained that the entire CIC project was his idea. He explained this very clearly and well. He has clearly brought this hombre on board, so for the Kibble Kid to virtually claim that he has seen fit himself to pick up from the current board and by association claim any part in the concept is a bit rich. He was plainly playing to the gallery. Incredibly the villagers applauded this comment. Bad mouthing any board is always acceptable to fans of any club we suppose. Far from us 7 to defend the board but this is bluster at its best. We bet some slugs and a fistful of dollars that he wasn’t a season ticket holder in any of those previous 10 years he referred to! Is he even a Saints fan? That’s one dumb question to ask if he is. To claim the moral high ground in this manner is shocking. He was visibly annoyed at some of the other questions too.

Well, time to get back in the saddle. We’ll mosey on down to the saloon to discuss this more. No doubt you will too.

One parting shot for the moment.

Putting the club at risk is not acceptable. For fans to claim they will try this out and then leave puts the risk into sharp focus as does the only answer if all goes wrong and the £10k contributors – at the moment rumoured to contain FIVE of the current board and committed for one year only - decide to pull out. No wonder they too are a secret. It doesn’t matter what has been done at other clubs anywhere. This is St. Mirren and our club means too much to everyone to depend a house of cards like this for its survival. We have no debt. For a holding company to propose incurring debt to purchase the shares then to TRY to take on more debt if it doesn’t work out is no business strategy. And where is the football in all of this? Maybe the board should change THEIR minds and put their shares on the open market and allow the relative insurance of a mixed board to look after the club as it has done since we became a limited company. After all that is exactly what protected the club from Brealey. With the CIC there is no turning back.

Any more of this and we will have to make a movie!

…to be continued

You should be George Kennedy now dafty. Yul was deid by the third installment of the Magnificent 7 movie series.

You slabber a lot of nonsense about risk without quantifying it or explaining where the risk is, and your proposed risk free solution is for the BoD to put the club shares up for sale on the open market. Yes they are very likely to do that as they actually rescued us from that in the first place. That combined with an approach of telling the St Mirren supporting community that they are stupid......not the cleverest pitch.

[pozbaird]

Howdy Pardners..

So the Mysterious stranger has addressed the villagers. He spoke well and when the mood amongst the gathering began to fade after the first 45 minutes employed that well known tactic of turning to humour in order to bring the gathering back onside. He has been told what onside and offside is - although having professed to have been always a football fan (where have you heard that old chestnut before? - maybe someone should tell his dad at Maxi), he should have known this anyway.

He is a salesman. There is no harm in this and he seems a decent hombre.

However his opening sentence said it all. ‘THIS IS ALL ABOUT A CIC’. That should really have been along the lines of THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE FUTURE STABILITY, WELFARE AND GROWTH OF ST. MIRREN FOOTBALL CLUB.

Sadly this comment only showed where his true interest lies. Again this does not make him a bad person, just a non-football fan who wants to use our club as a social experiment.

The villagers lapped up the good news. They love their club and want the very best for it. Even as those of us towards the back of the barn struggled now and again to hear at times, questions were asked for by the Stranger. When some of these became a bit intense a proposal from the floor to leave the questions until the end suited his preaching style, wonder where that skill was developed? Once more, no harm in that.

This had the effect of disengaging from some questions from a well-known newssheet and that new fangled wireless thing journalist who was obviously asking her questions in a particular way. From where we were sitting it was obvious that the top table were happy that this was stopped. The villagers seemed to appreciate it too although the two of us Magnificent 7ers (there’s still seven) in attendance could see why she was doing it. This is after all the pesky newssheet way. We don’t think she’s a dumb broad. Oops, sorry wrong soundtrack.

A villager sitting at the front spoke early on and said that if he had been a shareholder then he would have been raging at the lack of respect that has been shown to so many people that have put pesos into the club over the years. This is a fair point and perhaps a sign of times ahead. After all at the club AGM the Stranger, when pressed on this point by a shareholder assured the questioner that the shareholders would be consulted first. That when he earlier said they would hear of progress in the local press and through something called the media was just a slip of the tongue. This was just prior to the big boss taking the microphone, whatever that is, away from him for the first time. The answer and reasoning as to why this courtesy was not adhered to was extremely weak in response.

It is obvious to anyone with a sombrero that the CIC model has lots going for it. The magic word as you might expect is community. This is what the villagers are (literally) buying into. They are to be commended for caring about the community in the first place. It’s just a shame that St. Mirren FC is being used as an experiment to show that a vehicle designed for small to medium community projects is being used to PURCHASE SHARES AND CONTROL OF our football club. It was almost amusing to look around and see all the villagers discussing matters they will have no real control or say over, while the generals elsewhere rub their hands at the thought of all those locals doing the work for them and then paying for the privilege. Even when it was pointed out that we will have a raft of directors, THREE boards including the decision making EXECUTIVE BOARD and a process of management strata that ICI would be proud of all to run a fitba (as you Scots call soccer) team the villager present thought it was worth trying. Now some are saying that if it doesn’t work they will pull out after a year. That’s the point, doing that will bring potential disaster to our front door. That’s why the Stranger said that payments will be by direct debit. Any marketeer will tell you that folk are slow to cancel this type of payment. Others wanted to know what they get for their monthly payment. Surely that is against the spirit of all of this. You should be doing this for community, not to get something from it. This is the project’s weakness. Villagers will leave. Disillusionment will set in. Pressures will come onto the management structure of the club as opposing factions over THREE boards fall out … then? This is the human condition folks.

When another pesky villager asked what would happen when people lose interest, stop paying into the CIC and if it goes bust, the Stranger’s answer defied belief. ‘We will have a problem. We will just have to go back to the funders’. Read that again. This is akin to buying your house, defaulting on the payment then asking the building society for more cash! Bet you don’t fancy putting your club in that position. So if you sign up you damn well better expect to stay.

As for the funders, well they are a big secret. ‘We can’t tell you said the Stranger.’ A PUBLIC meeting and nothing is made public other than the sign up now message… better not mention we are seeking taxpayers’ dollars. Come on!

A local hero, someone the villagers know and trust was asked to introduce proceedings. If he didn’t know before as to why he is there he does now as the Stranger told the villagers that he wouldn’t have expected them to listen to him so that’s why the hero was brought on board!

The third member of the top table was no ranch hand from the Kibble Corral, no he is one of the top men. At one point during proceedings and in scathing tones he actually asked ‘why has this been left to us, it makes you wonder what the board (of SMFC) been doing for the last 10 years?’ Unbelievable. He said this sitting in a brand new football stadium OWNED by a Premier League football club and with a new training ground across town. What a lack of respect, breathtaking arrogance too. This is a proposal. NOTHING has been left to anyone.

In fact the Stranger had already explained that the entire CIC project was his idea. He explained this very clearly and well. He has clearly brought this hombre on board, so for the Kibble Kid to virtually claim that he has seen fit himself to pick up from the current board and by association claim any part in the concept is a bit rich. He was plainly playing to the gallery. Incredibly the villagers applauded this comment. Bad mouthing any board is always acceptable to fans of any club we suppose. Far from us 7 to defend the board but this is bluster at its best. We bet some slugs and a fistful of dollars that he wasn’t a season ticket holder in any of those previous 10 years he referred to! Is he even a Saints fan? That’s one dumb question to ask if he is. To claim the moral high ground in this manner is shocking. He was visibly annoyed at some of the other questions too.

Well, time to get back in the saddle. We’ll mosey on down to the saloon to discuss this more. No doubt you will too.

One parting shot for the moment.

Putting the club at risk is not acceptable. For fans to claim they will try this out and then leave puts the risk into sharp focus as does the only answer if all goes wrong and the £10k contributors – at the moment rumoured to contain FIVE of the current board and committed for one year only - decide to pull out. No wonder they too are a secret. It doesn’t matter what has been done at other clubs anywhere. This is St. Mirren and our club means too much to everyone to depend a house of cards like this for its survival. We have no debt. For a holding company to propose incurring debt to purchase the shares then to TRY to take on more debt if it doesn’t work out is no business strategy. And where is the football in all of this? Maybe the board should change THEIR minds and put their shares on the open market and allow the relative insurance of a mixed board to look after the club as it has done since we became a limited company. After all that is exactly what protected the club from Brealey. With the CIC there is no turning back.

Any more of this and we will have to make a movie!

…to be continued

Were you the guy who came in quite early (not as early as me), and sat right in the back row, corner seat, while the place was still mostly empty? Balding, pastel coloured T Shirt, maybe mostly light green coloured, with a sort of 'Osaka 6' logo on it?

Just wondering.

[St. Sid]

Were you the guy who came in quite early (not as early as me), and sat right in the back row, corner seat, while the place was still mostly empty? Balding, pastel coloured T Shirt, maybe mostly light green coloured, with a sort of 'Osaka 6' logo on it?

Just wondering.

I was thinking it was the chap sat next to me at the back - not TL, but the other way - he had a "BAWBAG" t-shirt on. I think he was with another chap who might be the one you refer to. There was lots of negative rumblings throughout the presentation some of which me and TL had a wee giggle at as it was very similar to the shite in Yul's posts.

[pozbaird]

I was thinking it was the chap sat next to me at the back - not TL, but the other way - he had a "BAWBAG" t-shirt on. I think he was with another chap who might be the one you refer to. There was lots of negative rumblings throughout the presentation some of which me and TL had a wee giggle at as it was very similar to the shite in Yul's posts.

Until the meeting, I had never actually met Div in person, but knew what he looked like. When the guy I described came in, when he was walking towards me I initially thought it was Div, but realised it wasn't. Found it strange that he sat right in the back row in the corner, he looked awfully serious.

Maybe it wasn't Yul. Maybe it was just an awfully serious baldy guy who looked a bit like Div. Feck knows, I'm just a village idiot.

[Tommy]

You are completely missing the point in all of this, the current BOD want out, they're not interested in generating more income or doing anything other than carrying on the way we are until someone buys it off them.

I keep hearing that but there is nothing stopping the current board from leaving and keeping their shares or is it more the case of wanting to make a killing and to hell with the other directors who are not in the gang ?

[St. Sid]

Until the meeting, I had never actually met Div in person, but knew what he looked like. When the guy I described came in, when he was walking towards me I initially thought it was Div, but realised it wasn't. Found it strange that he sat right in the back row in the corner, he looked awfully serious.

Maybe it wasn't Yul. Maybe it was just an awfully serious baldy guy who looked a bit like Div. Feck knows, I'm just a village idiot.

Expected you to be a bit more Justin and Colin and was a bit disappointed after the interior designer build up when you turned out to be a rather chubby gingy.

[alanmurray24]

Until the meeting, I had never actually met Div in person, but knew what he looked like. When the guy I described came in, when he was walking towards me I initially thought it was Div, but realised it wasn't. Found it strange that he sat right in the back row in the corner, he looked awfully serious.

Maybe it wasn't Yul. Maybe it was just an awfully serious baldy guy who looked a bit like Div. Feck knows, I'm just a village idiot.

I am bald not as bald as Div but getting there lol..............and not as nice looking as Div.......big diff with me is I have a HUGE scar down why chest........so was it me????? ......oh sh*** I was sitting down the front ...............

phew!!!! did not want to go to next meeting with everybody staring are me thinking "YUL"

[pozbaird]

Expected you to be a bit more Justin and Colin and was a bit disappointed after the interior designer build up when you turned out to be a rather chubby gingy.

Guilty as charged. Cheeky basturt.

[bingboy]

I keep hearing that but there is nothing stopping the current board from leaving and keeping their shares or is it more the case of wanting to make a killing and to hell with the other directors who are not in the gang ?

Nothing stopping them from just walking away but their individual shares have a value of up to £500,000 each as part of a controlling interest and they have decided to sell them. Wouldn't you if you wanted out?

[div]

I am puzzled by the comments of the likes of Animal and Yule Brynner.

These are guys who took the time to attend the public meeting, listened to all that was said, and then ran back home to type on an internet forum about how terrible it all is.

Yet they said nothing at the meeting. There was NO dissent shown other than by Michelle Evans who simply could not understand the concept being explained to her.

When Reg Brealey addressed the AGM all those years ago he spoke incredibly well and had everyone present eating out the palm of his hand with his exciting tales of massive investment and a return to European Football.

Yet at the back of that audience came some dissenting voices in the shape of Stewart Gilmour, Charlie Palmer et al.

They had done their homework, they knew of the threat that was unfolding and began to pick apart the plan with consumate ease as it happened.

Why do the dissenters to the CIC plan not do their homework ? Why not spend the time investigating in detail what is happening, go and speak to Richard on a 1:1 basis if that helps, then persuade the supporters WHY this is a bad plan that is putting the club at risk. And have the balls to stand up and say that at the public meeting.

Don't sit behind your computer screen and label eveyone else a f**kwit - do something constructive with your argument and you might get more backing.

[bingboy]

I am puzzled by the comments of the likes of Animal and Yule Brynner.

These are guys who took the time to attend the public meeting, listened to all that was said, and then ran back home to type on an internet forum about how terrible it all is.

Yet they said nothing at the meeting. There was NO dissent shown other than by Michelle Evans who simply could not understand the concept being explained to her.

When Reg Brealey addressed the AGM all those years ago he spoke incredibly well and had everyone present eating out the palm of his hand with his exciting tales of massive investment and a return to European Football.

Yet at the back of that audience came some dissenting voices in the shape of Stewart Gilmour, Charlie Palmer et al.

They had done their homework, they knew of the threat that was unfolding and began to pick apart the plan with consumate ease as it happened.

Why do the dissenters to the CIC plan not do their homework ? Why not spend the time investigating in detail what is happening, go and speak to Richard on a 1:1 basis if that helps, then persuade the supporters WHY this is a bad plan that is putting the club at risk. And have the balls to stand up and say that at the public meeting.

Don't sit behind your computer screen and label eveyone else a f**kwit - do something constructive with your argument and you might get more backing.

Just gave out my first green dot to the above post.

Not one of the dissenting voices on here has come up with anything other than suspicion, ooh they're keeping secrets, Richard Atkinson wants control of the club without paying a penny of his own, he wants us to buy it for him, there's 3 boards, why didn't they tell us before etc etc.

Tell us why you think the plan will fail and what will happen if it does. Please tell us also what you think Richard Atkinson has to gain from this failing. To me, even if it does fail, we will be in no worse a situation than we are now. And if it succeeds we will be in a much better situation than we are now. That's a free bet in my book.

[animal]

I am puzzled by the comments of the likes of Animal and Yule Brynner.

These are guys who took the time to attend the public meeting, listened to all that was said, and then ran back home to type on an internet forum about how terrible it all is.

Yet they said nothing at the meeting. There was NO dissent shown other than by Michelle Evans who simply could not understand the concept being explained to her.

When Reg Brealey addressed the AGM all those years ago he spoke incredibly well and had everyone present eating out the palm of his hand with his exciting tales of massive investment and a return to European Football.

Yet at the back of that audience came some dissenting voices in the shape of Stewart Gilmour, Charlie Palmer et al.

They had done their homework, they knew of the threat that was unfolding and began to pick apart the plan with consumate ease as it happened.

Why do the dissenters to the CIC plan not do their homework ? Why not spend the time investigating in detail what is happening, go and speak to Richard on a 1:1 basis if that helps, then persuade the supporters WHY this is a bad plan that is putting the club at risk. And have the balls to stand up and say that at the public meeting.

Don't sit behind your computer screen and label eveyone else a f**kwit - do something constructive with your argument and you might get more backing.

Sorry if you are so puzzled, but I am sure it will become clearer to you as time goes on. There were several other 'dissenters' present at the meeting including the gentleman who spoke rather well on behalf of the other 48% of shareholders who have been forgotten about by you, and several others who have expressed their concerns privately to me. Several others could not get to a meeting called at three days notice. Several of these people are currently financial contributers to the Club and or shareholders of the Club.

Michelle Evans is an very experienced journalist who I suspect knows exactly what is going on (no I'm not her). I am not clear what your day time job is which would give you the edge on her expertise.

You say ""When Reg Brealey addressed the AGM all those years ago he spoke incredibly well and had everyone present eating out the palm of his hand with his exciting tales of massive investment"" - sounds very familiar to me.

Seems if you stand up and say something you will be verbally abused by St .Sid, yourself and others - just read some of the previous posts - are you surprised that some people are reluctant to come forward at this point in time ?

I have done as much of the homework as I can, for now, given that most of the key facts are 'confidential'. Even Reg B was a bit more up front.

[The Real Zippy]

Sorry if you are so puzzled, but I am sure it will become clearer to you as time goes on. There were several other 'dissenters' present at the meeting including the gentleman who spoke rather well on behalf of the other 48% of shareholders who have been forgotten about by you, and several others who have expressed their concerns privately to me. Several others could not get to a meeting called at three days notice. Several of these people are currently financial contributers to the Club and or shareholders of the Club.

Michelle Evans is an very experienced journalist who I suspect knows exactly what is going on (no I'm not her). I am not clear what your day time job is which would give you the edge on her expertise.

You say ""When Reg Brealey addressed the AGM all those years ago he spoke incredibly well and had everyone present eating out the palm of his hand with his exciting tales of massive investment"" - sounds very familiar to me.

Seems if you stand up and say something you will be verbally abused by St .Sid, yourself and others - just read some of the previous posts - are you surprised that some people are reluctant to come forward at this point in time ?

I have done as much of the homework as I can, for now, given that most of the key facts are 'confidential'. Even Reg B was a bit more up front.

Ok so you have done your 'homework'. Do tell us what untold disaster awaits if this goes through. And also tell us what viable alternative you have to Richard's proposal.

Until you can provide positive answers, then I'd pipe down if I were you.

[garzo]

Direct to animal

Please state what you think may be flawed in the current proposal in the form of the CIC

Your concern is valid and it must be heard

[animal]

Ok so you have done your 'homework'. Do tell us what untold disaster awaits if this goes through. And also tell us what viable alternative you have to Richard's proposal.

Until you can provide positive answers, then I'd pipe down if I were you.

I think Yul summed it up best in post #1536 especially where he says

When another pesky villager asked what would happen when people lose interest, stop paying into the CIC and if it goes bust, the Stranger’s answer defied belief. ‘We will have a problem. We will just have to go back to the funders’.

Why should I pipe down simply because you don't like what I am saying. What's next ? Will you send your dad round to give me a doing ?

Edited April 23, 2011 by animal

[Stuart Dickson]

Why would they put their collective shareholding up for sale in the first place if any of the consortium wanted to cling on to power? Fact is, and Gilmour and Co have been quite up front about this, that the current board have taken the club as far as they can and feel that it is time for fresh input and brains. They want shot of the day to day running of the club. They are lifelong fans as well as current board members, so if they want to put something back by buying a corporate membership then what's wrong with that?

You'll probably find that Richard Atkinson, Jim Mullen, Tony Fitzpatrick, Scott McLennan and Chris Stewart will probably be the initial board in any case.

Erm....to get access to their money.

[The Real Zippy]

I think Yul summed it up best in post #1536 especially where he says

When another pesky villager asked what would happen when people lose interest, stop paying into the CIC and if it goes bust, the Stranger’s answer defied belief. ‘We will have a problem. We will just have to go back to the funders’.

Why should I pipe down simply because you don't like what I am saying. What's next ? Will you send your dad round to give me a doing ?

I've never said anything about disliking anything that you have said. All I have seen is you bitch and whine about hidden agendas, how this is going to be a disaster etc, yet you have not came up with one credible alternative.

So what's your solution? Like the former Dunfermline striker Andy Smith, I'm all ears......................

[pozbaird]

I think Yul summed it up best in post #1536 especially where he says

When another pesky villager asked what would happen when people lose interest, stop paying into the CIC and if it goes bust, the Stranger’s answer defied belief. ‘We will have a problem. We will just have to go back to the funders’.

Why should I pipe down simply because you don't like what I am saying. What's next ? Will you send your dad round to give me a doing ?

Yul summed it up best? When he refers to supporters as 'villagers', waffles on about 'the stranger'', and talks down his nose to everyone in a condescending manner?

Aye, whatever.

[The Real Zippy]

Erm....to get access to their money.

Er, whose money are you referring to exactly?