Guest somner9 Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Is it just me, or does what started of as a decent thread make anyone else want to run screaming from the room? to paraphrase your writings in red (always thought when i got a letter form a customer written in red, or green that the picnic may not be complete) You're basically saying bollocks to the club and up the Cic/partners! It's an angle! but i don't think you'll get that dog to hunt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 to paraphrase your writings in red (always thought when i got a letter form a customer written in red, or green that the picnic may not be complete) You're basically saying bollocks to the club and up the Cic/partners! It's an angle! but i don't think you'll get that dog to hunt! I'm not the one with the missing sandwiches here mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruffalo Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Should the subscriptions and additional revenue fail to reach the required levels then the co-op will be vulnerable, leaving the majority shareholding in the club available to anyone who wants to take it over, maybe r*ngers, maybe Ken, maybe a local ned Should the club fail to make money it is vulnerable to go bust ! The club is currently open for "maybe r*ngers, maybe Ken, maybe a local ned" to take it over. If someone walks in with a suitcase of cash who knows what the Consortium would do. Not sure what the point of your post was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Sumner9 if you were constructive in your posts against the takeover I would understand where you are coming from even if I did not agree. However you look like the dog that’s trying to catch its own tail. You’re a fellow bud it’s time to take a step back mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest somner9 Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Sumner9 if you were constructive in your posts against the takeover I would understand where you are coming from even if I did not agree. However you look like the dog that's trying to catch its own tail. You're a fellow bud it's time to take a step back mate. Not a lot of chances of that. never give up, never give in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Comparing football fans with the customers of a supermarket or a petrol station shows how little you understand about being a football supporter. If the goods on offer at Tesco aren't to my liking I'll go to Sainsbury's, or Morrisons, or Asda. If the petrol at Shell is too expensive I'll go to Esso, or BP....... If St.Mirren are shite then I'll still be a St.Mirren supporter. The emotional attachment to the club is there forever. Even you can't stay away from the club ! My club, your club, our club. Really? Just look at the polls as to how many people will stay away from "their club" if a r*ngers Newco is allowed back into the SPL. I'm not a St Mirren supporter. I am a football customer. I've got a much healthier relationship with the game than you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Not a lot of chances of that. never give up, never give in! Admirable.....but Somner even you must be aware you are beginning to sound ridiculously desperate. We're told that last night you missed yet another opportunity to turn back the tide and that yet more people completed their Direct Debit forms. It's quite clear your internet based campaign is having absolutely no effect at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted April 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Really? Just look at the polls as to how many people will stay away from "their club" if a r*ngers Newco is allowed back into the SPL. Yes. Let's see how that pans out if it comes to pass shall we. I'm not a St Mirren supporter. I am a football customer. I've got a much healthier relationship with the game than you have. I'm not going to go through this again, I really can't be bothered with your tedious pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Yes. Let's see how that pans out if it comes to pass shall we. I'm not going to go through this again, I really can't be bothered with your tedious pish. At least Tesco and Shell give you a "loyalty card" and a "reward" for being an unsophisticated customer.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest somner9 Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Admirable.....but Somner even you must be aware you are beginning to sound ridiculously desperate. We're told that last night you missed yet another opportunity to turn back the tide and that yet more people completed their Direct Debit forms. It's quite clear your internet based campaign is having absolutely no effect at all. Don't have a campaign, all buds will decide and do as they see fit, ignoring all outside warped-so last year-type grudges. Vive la Buddies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Don't have a campaign, all buds will decide and do as they see fit, ignoring all outside warped-so last year-type grudges. Vive la Buddies! ....and they appear to be deciding to ignore your message en-mass on this medium. I can empathise with you Somner. I've been in your position for years. I've taken every opportunity over the years to point out where I think St Mirren are going wrong and I've tried, usually in vain, to offer a suggestion as to how to remedy the situation. More often than not I was vilified or just people just posted hate filled bile aimed at me. I could handle that cause I'm not a St Mirren supporter and if their customer base wanted to blindly follow their leaders excusing every dubious behaviour I knew it would have little effect on me. However you claim to be a St Mirren supporter, dead against the CIC which you state is threatening the clubs very existence, and yet for all your waffle you haven't yet come up with anything that has given other supporters cause to share your concern. Can I share a little bit of friendly advice though? Others have already said much the same thing too, but Somner if you really do hold a silver bullet that will put 10000hours down once and for all, why not drop the alias, get out to those meetings, have the courage of your convictions and make sure that every single St Mirren supporter hears you express exactly what your concerns are. You might not be able to turn the tide now, but at least your conscience will be completely clear knowing you did absolutely everything in your power to save your beloved club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintargyll Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 ....and they appear to be deciding to ignore your message en-mass on this medium. I can empathise with you Somner. I've been in your position for years. I've taken every opportunity over the years to point out where I think St Mirren are going wrong and I've tried, usually in vain, to offer a suggestion as to how to remedy the situation. More often than not I was vilified or just people just posted hate filled bile aimed at me. I could handle that cause I'm not a St Mirren supporter and if their customer base wanted to blindly follow their leaders excusing every dubious behaviour I knew it would have little effect on me. However you claim to be a St Mirren supporter, dead against the CIC which you state is threatening the clubs very existence, and yet for all your waffle you haven't yet come up with anything that has given other supporters cause to share your concern. Can I share a little bit of friendly advice though? Others have already said much the same thing too, but Somner if you really do hold a silver bullet that will put 10000hours down once and for all, why not drop the alias, get out to those meetings, have the courage of your convictions and make sure that every single St Mirren supporter hears you express exactly what your concerns are. You might not be able to turn the tide now, but at least your conscience will be completely clear knowing you did absolutely everything in your power to save your beloved club. Sadly i think the debacle over at rankgers has given a lot of "untrust" to any scheme at this moment in time added to that the KMG scenario that didnt help matters either its a real shame the timing of this takeover has been tarnished by the cheating brush of "the great institution" 6 miles down the road lots of people are scare to go into the water above the knee let alone take "the plunge" i'll repeat.....ITS A REAL SHAME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy Barlow Loyal Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 3. I do however personally think we are missing an opportunity in not establishing an official SMFC womens side for the Scottish System. I totally agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsuMirren Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Fighting over bar profits...is this really where we are? There is logic about meeting payments and paying back the fit out costs. There will also be, I'd imagine some sort of 10000 ours bar use policy. Alongside that, I'd imagine, is the fact that everything is open to discussion and vote In my opinion, I'd rather have the bar than not and would rather follow a community model than a short term quick fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud77 Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 They probably think; The space isn't generating any income at all at the moment The club has had 3 years to fit it out and develop it and has not done so That the 10000Hours partners are going to fit it out at no cost to the club That 10000Hours will staff the bar on matchdays That it will be used by 10000Hours members on matchdays That the club will be able to generate revenue at other times using the facility So in summary that it is a sensible and good deal all round for the football club with little or no risk I'd reckon. I would imagine that is exactly what they do. The return to the club would be return for a fixed license fee. Are you really suggesting that the income the football club gets from catering depends on how many pies that are sold ? 10000Hours will be paying peppercorn rent back to the club for a space that they will fit out, and the clubs return will be the ability to use it for function events that it cannot cater for well at the moment. I for one disagree, while it would be good to have the vacant space used and generating income the bar is an insignificant part of this bid for me and I just think a lot of the talk about this is purely mud slinging in the hope that some of it sticks. The most important thing to me is that St Mirren football club would be in the hands of the people who profess to love it most - the fans, which is the main reason I signed up a long, long time ago to try and help safeguard a sustainable future for the club. As for the bar itself, if it's there I'll use it, if it's not I'll continue to go to the pub before and after games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted April 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 I for one disagree, while it would be good to have the vacant space used and generating income the bar is an insignificant part of this bid for me and I just think a lot of the talk about this is purely mud slinging in the hope that some of it sticks. The most important thing to me is that St Mirren football club would be in the hands of the people who profess to love it most - the fans, which is the main reason I signed up a long, long time ago to try and help safeguard a sustainable future for the club. As for the bar itself, if it's there I'll use it, if it's not I'll continue to go to the pub before and after games. Totally agree but was responding to specific rant about the void. I'm sick of hearing about the bloody void as well. Least important part of the bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud77 Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Totally agree but was responding to specific rant about the void. I'm sick of hearing about the bloody void as well. Least important part of the bid. I'm aware of that Div but some people are focussing on minutiae of the bid, probably in an attempt to try and de-rail it. Things like bar income could easily be discussed and resolved by a members meeting once 10000 hours is up and running. Looking at the bigger picture the main issues for joining the CiC for myself are The chance to try and help safeguard a sustainable future and protect the club from future predatory interest. The chance to have a say on major issues about how Saint Mirren are run as a club, not the day to day running but things like how the club interact with the community, the match day experience and how the facilities could be used by the general public. The chance to have a real say in how the club votes at SFA/SPL meetings.Other threads are going on about how the club might possibly vote regarding rangers yet here we are with a great chance to be the ones deciding how the club votes Iinstead of being fans with laptops we would be fans with voices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktf Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 I'm aware of that Div but some people are focussing on minutiae of the bid, probably in an attempt to try and de-rail it. Things like bar income could easily be discussed and resolved by a members meeting once 10000 hours is up and running. Looking at the bigger picture the main issues for joining the CiC for myself are The chance to try and help safeguard a sustainable future and protect the club from future predatory interest. The chance to have a say on major issues about how Saint Mirren are run as a club, not the day to day running but things like how the club interact with the community, the match day experience and how the facilities could be used by the general public. The chance to have a real say in how the club votes at SFA/SPL meetings.Other threads are going on about how the club might possibly vote regarding rangers yet here we are with a great chance to be the ones deciding how the club votes Iinstead of being fans with laptops we would be fans with voices. Even if none of the other positives were likely, this would be reason in itself to see the CiC come to fruition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 I didn't back the original CIC as I wasn't happy with the proposed structure of the CIC board where the majority vote could fall to corporate, community & RA but I'm OK with the new set up of one member one vote. Haven't pledged yet but I'm waiting on 87 club details from RA to see what that's all about before I make up my mind what membership to take. Never want our club to fall into the wrong hands and the new structure for voting is fair so I'll get behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud77 Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Even if none of the other positives were likely, this would be reason in itself to see the CiC come to fruition. All most things would take under the CiC (unless there are legal or contractual issues) is 2 people, one to propose a motion and one to second it. That motion would then go to a vote of the full membership. For instance someone could stand up at a meeting and say 'As the club essentially host the main event that brings so many people to the bar on a matchday, then the club should be entitled to a percentage of that income' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktf Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 All most things would take under the CiC (unless there are legal or contractual issues) is 2 people, one to propose a motion and one to second it. That motion would then go to a vote of the full membership. For instance someone could stand up at a meeting and say 'As the club essentially host the main event that brings so many people to the bar on a matchday, then the club should be entitled to a percentage of that income' I am in complete agreement and I am aware of this. I was simply stating that even if this wast the case and the fans had no other powers (which isn't the case) it would be worth the CiC going through just to sway the SPL voting decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest somner9 Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 All most things would take under the CiC (unless there are legal or contractual issues) is 2 people, one to propose a motion and one to second it. That motion would then go to a vote of the full membership. For instance someone could stand up at a meeting and say 'As the club essentially host the main event that brings so many people to the bar on a matchday, then the club should be entitled to a percentage of that income' sounds good, but as there will be two boards, with the club board made up mainly of 10000 hours peeps! If they don't like it then the cic board cant make them do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Sid Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 fuxake....it's just taken me about quarter of an hour wading through 3 or 4 pages of this shite and there is absolutely no new information or even perspectives presented. I liked the get-this-pish-shifted conversion to I-am-gay function. Can we no do something similar for somner9's posts on this board - change them all to "I am against the CIC no matter what!" Then we don't have to read through the responses to the tedious repitition of the same old bollox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest somner9 Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 fuxake....it's just taken me about quarter of an hour wading through 3 or 4 pages of this shite and there is absolutely no new information or even perspectives presented. I liked the get-this-pish-shifted conversion to I-am-gay function. Can we no do something similar for somner9's posts on this board - change them all to "I am against the CIC no matter what!" Then we don't have to read through the responses to the tedious repitition of the same old bollox. Nice of you to take the time to read the pages. Are you having a break from "Rimming" you're way onto whatever boards take you're fancy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Sid Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Nice of you to take the time to read the pages. Are you having a break from "Rimming" you're way onto whatever boards take you're fancy? Always find this sort of stuff amusing when it comes to anything that involves open voting. cnutcillors are the worst for it. I got involved in a couple of local organisations a while back and the cnutcillors and political activists all started to shite themselves thinking I was gearing up for an election. I enjoy football and supporting St Mirren. I don't like committee types, cnutcillors and political hangers on. Besides it's far more fun standing on the sidelines chucking rocks for fun - you should know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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