steve_the_saint Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 (edited) The 87 club has been revealed at ... http://www.10000hours.org/87club The benefits include a parking space, exclusive use of the cic function hall at half time, use of the cic lounge for business meetings, aswell as various exclusive club events such as team photo days and strip launches that members can attend to get exclusive time with the players for photos etc. The team from the 87 cup final are also to be made honorary patrons. I wouldn't mind signing up if I had the money but it seems its more aimed at businesses, with some advertising thrown into the benefits aswell. ETA , no one can accuse 10khours of not communicating enough this time, I got sent the email 10 times in the space of 20 mins! Edited April 24, 2012 by steve_the_saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10000hours Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 The 87 club has been revealed at ... http://www.10000hours.org/87club The benefits include a parking space, exclusive use of the cic function hall at half time, use of the cic lounge for business meetings, aswell as various exclusive club events such as team photo days and strip launches that members can attend to get exclusive time with the players for photos etc. The team from the 87 cup final are also to be made honorary patrons. I wouldn't mind signing up if I had the money but it seems its more aimed at businesses, with some advertising thrown into the benefits aswell. ETA , no one can accuse 10khours of not communicating enough this time, I got sent the email 10 times in the space of 20 mins! apologies for the multiple send...i did only press send once...promise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Yeah I've been thinking about signing up. Seems to be some decent business exposure, however a tad skeptical about the whole ' life time ' thing. Anyone else considering it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Yeah I've been thinking about signing up. Seems to be some decent business exposure, however a tad skeptical about the whole ' life time ' thing. Anyone else considering it? Have a think about it also… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Is the benefits of business exposure and the rest for ' life '?. The brochure says: 87club membership... • Membership of the 87club costs £3000, and gives life membership of the 10000hours CIC plus the exclusive benefits listed below Not exactly clear. If it is for life it's a great price, if not or some kind of annual subscription is required then I'm not so sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 CIC membership is for life, all other benefits for five years I believe ? The 87club gives individuals and businesses an opportunity to be part of a group who will not only have life membership of the 10000hours CIC but will also benefit from a range of exclusive benefits and events. These initial benefits will run for a period of five years but they are only the beginning of what we hope the 87club will become. Driven forward by the membership in partnership with the 10000hours CIC the 87club will develop and grow to forge a new era in genuine fan control and community involvement in the football club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10000hours Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Is the benefits of business exposure and the rest for ' life '?. The brochure says: 87club membership... • Membership of the 87club costs £3000, and gives life membership of the 10000hours CIC plus the exclusive benefits listed below Not exactly clear. If it is for life it's a great price, if not or some kind of annual subscription is required then I'm not so sure. life membership of CIC. Benefits are subject to review after 5 years....see the second page for sentence....go on pledge..you know you want to ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Shouldn't have skipped the opening paragraph Seems a decent bit of advertising, I'll likely go for it if i'm still happy after a meeting with the main protagonists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Urquhart Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Jeeze, feel I have been spammed on this, same email received ten times? Shurley shome mishtake....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADMITCHELL Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) At least you can't say you didn't get it. I also got the same e-mail 10 times. At least there is some communication and all in all it looks quite appealing to me. Now how do you turn of this wife filter thing again!!! Edited April 25, 2012 by ADMITCHELL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 looks more like it is focussed on community enterprises, charities and other groups with some room for businesses. Effectively turning the lounge into a privileged club Do people really give each other business because they are members of the same club (masons excepted) these days? i manage a £500k budget, and couldnt give any one of you a whiff of a job without competitive tendering and you signing up to our T&Cs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 looks more like it is focussed on community enterprises, charities and other groups with some room for businesses. Effectively turning the lounge into a privileged club Do people really give each other business because they are members of the same club (masons excepted) these days? i manage a £500k budget, and couldnt give any one of you a whiff of a job without competitive tendering and you signing up to our T&Cs I've had loads of business through St.Mirren related contacts, both directly with them and then indirectly through referrals they have made to me. This to me is just extending that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rea Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 At least you can't say you didn't get it. I also got the same e-mail 10 times. At least there is some communication and all in all it looks quite appealing to me. Now how do you turn of this wife filter thing again!!! Apologies for the multiple sending. It appears to have happend again. But hopefully sorted now, I did only press send once...promise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 looks more like it is focussed on community enterprises, charities and other groups with some room for businesses. Effectively turning the lounge into a privileged club Do people really give each other business because they are members of the same club (masons excepted) these days? i manage a £500k budget, and couldnt give any one of you a whiff of a job without competitive tendering and you signing up to our T&Cs Surely it depends on the business. I would compare it to the informal type network we have at the kids football club, where if I'm looking for a painter and decorator, an electrician or a builder for work around my house I would tend to look at the companies that sponsor the kids teams first or ask around the parents of the team to see if they have a contact or a referral they can make. The same kind of thing applies as well when - for example - I took my family out to one of our sponsors restaurants in the town to try them out. The result of that was that we have since changed our preferred local Indian restaurant. At a professional level it would be far more difficult for me. I have managed to get one solar panel supplier onto our companies lists of approved sub contractors and suppliers but they've had no business from us yet. From a business point of view it's not a lot of money. I know you are paying it out up front but it works out at just £600 a year for five years. An advert on the Official Club Website cost £1000+VAT per annum. I know which of the two options I would rather pay for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovestreet Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 3k for 5 years I'll have some of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktf Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 It really is a good deal and will be considered seriously in my house! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) Do people really give each other business because they are members of the same club (masons excepted) these days? i manage a £500k budget, and couldnt give any one of you a whiff of a job without competitive tendering and you signing up to our T&Cs It's clearly not your own money. Most proper businessmen (i.e. those who make their own money) know that people prefer to do business with people. Networking is everything. I would NEVER give business to someone I didn't know. I would be especially worried about giving someone else's £500k away to people I didn't know. Sadly the world is full of MBA's prepared to spend other people's money by following other people's business models. ETA: You got me started on this grrrr. What do you do when you need your car fixed? Arrange 3 quotes in sealed bids and then set your own T&C? Or do you pick up the phone and ask a mate who to recommend? Almost no jobs are advertised ever. Interviews at most of the very top jobs are by invitation only. They are generally NOT announced. I could go on but I hope the point is made. If you really are in charge of that amount of money you need to start doing your job properly. I'm betting you work for a council. Maybe that's why budgets ALWAYS overrun. You keep giving money to people you don't know and guess what - they lie to you to get the gig. Edited April 25, 2012 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Sid Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 I've had loads of business through St.Mirren related contacts, both directly with them and then indirectly through referrals they have made to me. This to me is just extending that. Faraway Saint.... Depends on the business. Companies waste a small fortune on networking events run by local enterprise companies and chambers of commerce....in the main you end up networking with sole traders. The 87 Club offers a very different opportunity. It will be St Mirren supporters interested in SMFC first and foremost, the business bit will be a bonus. That's what will actually make it of more value than the local ent company nonsense - real people will attend the events. I also think we'll see a few non-business 87 club members too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 It's clearly not your own money. Most proper businessmen (i.e. those who make their own money) know that people prefer to do business with people. Networking is everything. I would NEVER give business to someone I didn't know. I would be especially worried about giving someone else's £500k away to people I didn't know. Sadly the world is full of MBA's prepared to spend other people's money by following other people's business models. What a snooty little reply (and a desperately ignorant an ill-informed one to boot), your reputation on this forum is well deserved. Luckily the world is full of multi-billion pound businesses, staffed by highly qualified and trustworthy people who know a thing or two about corporate governance, whose crumbs float down to feed the host of buttock-clenching freemasons who spend far too much of their time acting like a big shot on football forums. Fuxxake, you could be a window cleaner for all I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) Double post FFS Edited April 25, 2012 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) What a snooty little reply (and a desperately ignorant an ill-informed one to boot), your reputation on this forum is well deserved. Luckily the world is full of multi-billion pound businesses, staffed by highly qualified and trustworthy people who know a thing or two about corporate governance, whose crumbs float down to feed the host of buttock-clenching freemasons who spend far too much of their time acting like a big shot on football forums. Fuxxake, you could be a window cleaner for all I know In fairness you should re-read my post. I edited it to make it even more insulting. People who use phrases like "Corporate Governance" should be banned from any position of responsibility and made to eat pilchard and raspberry sandwiches. You talk like an MBA. Are there any MBA's out there who have actually made money from using their own money as opposed to someone else's that I could talk to here? BTW freemason? I'm not a freemason. Edited April 25, 2012 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 In fairness you should re-read my post. I edited it to make it even more insulting. People who use phrases like "Corporate Governance" should be banned from any position of responsibility and made to eat pilchard and raspberry sandwiches. You talk like an MBA. Are there any MBA's out there who have actually made money from using their own money as opposed to someone else's that I could talk to here? BTW freemason? I'm not a freemason. I missed the insults, must have been too subtle for my well-educated brain. Then again I'm not well versed in the parlance of the market trader so maybe I should log on and do a couple more courses. You obviously are a mason and now you're a liar too. Good work for this time in the evening (dont think it wont be reflected in your appraisal) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Sid Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 looks more like it is focussed on community enterprises, charities and other groups with some room for businesses. Effectively turning the lounge into a privileged club Do people really give each other business because they are members of the same club (masons excepted) these days? i manage a £500k budget, and couldnt give any one of you a whiff of a job without competitive tendering and you signing up to our T&Cs More fool you then. A £500K budget would get you a lot of friends, and its friends that provide value. Competitive tendering doesn't work and framework agreements offer even less value. All you do is push up the cost of the sale as all the bidders bung that on to their price as well as your own internal costs fannying around making your selection. You need to make friends with suppliers you like - once they are friends and know that there is a relationship there it will allow them to be keener with their pricing. When it all goes pete tong for you, you will be looking to get help form people that you have not treated as your friend. People that will know that you will happilly end the relationship to save a couple of quid. That's not the best way to manage your business relationships. Trusted partners and long term relationships is what works. I've sold to many people over the years and the ones that last longest in their roles are the ones that build tight, trusting relationships with their suppliers. Tendering may make you feel important, it may make you feel as if you hold all the aces...in reality it makes you a fool wasting everyones money - mainly from the budget you are responsible for. I'd sack you for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whydowebother Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 apologies for the multiple send...i did only press send once...promise 10 yesterday & another 10 today - now blocked thankfully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 More fool you then. A £500K budget would get you a lot of friends, and its friends that provide value. Competitive tendering doesn't work and framework agreements offer even less value. All you do is push up the cost of the sale as all the bidders bung that on to their price as well as your own internal costs fannying around making your selection. You need to make friends with suppliers you like - once they are friends and know that there is a relationship there it will allow them to be keener with their pricing. When it all goes pete tong for you, you will be looking to get help form people that you have not treated as your friend. People that will know that you will happilly end the relationship to save a couple of quid. That's not the best way to manage your business relationships. Trusted partners and long term relationships is what works. I've sold to many people over the years and the ones that last longest in their roles are the ones that build tight, trusting relationships with their suppliers. Tendering may make you feel important, it may make you feel as if you hold all the aces...in reality it makes you a fool wasting everyones money - mainly from the budget you are responsible for. I'd sack you for it. An idle threat from someone who couldnt get a job getting the trolleys back in from Morrisons car park. Clearly I've hit a nerve and the del boys who have failed to pass the credit scoring and competency checks are ganging up on me. Get over it guys, the banks will start lending soon and you can all by new pringles and head off to the golf club to congratulate each other on your immense business acumen (with you backs to the bar, of course, so the regulars cant see the holes in the arse of your trousers). Never mind delboy, I'll console myself by opening a bottle from the case of the fine Rioja that one of your fellow traders insisted on sending me last christmas. it still didnt get him the contract though. That went to the guy who sent me the Glenlivet and thone big wheel of stilton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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