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I can't understand why covering the five a side pitches has become a priority. Maybe someone can help me out on that one? Surely there can't be many days in the year where the pitches can't be hired out due to inclement weather so the only way to recoup the investment would be to charge more money to play there. We've got covered venues in Lanarkshire but given the choice of paying £230 to play a kids eleven-a-side match indoor or using the outdoor 3g pitch and paying £82.50 it becomes a bit of a no brainer for juvenile clubs in my local area.

Believe it is to do with gaining a level of accreditation for the youth academy.

Eta: sorry, I see someone else has responded already.

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Looking at the figures, not being a Mathematical genius, does that mean we have increased revenue this year without Rangers?? Inspite of our chairman telling us at the start of the season that there was a very real chance we would go into administration??

No the figures are for seasons 10/11 & 11/12 - sorry if I confused you, and as E=mc2 has already explained. D'oh!

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Ok, thanks Slash. That makes a bit more sense - even if it does say far more about the poor quality of work that Mark Wotte is doing at the SFA. It's eye wateringly mental that having what equates to a tiny sports barn with a 3g carpet takes you a step along the road to "Elite Club Status" but having seen the direction Braidhurst High School has been taken in recent years "eye wateringly mental" is exactly what I would equate with that area of the SFA right now. rolleyes.gif

I still can't see the business case for it though. Is there additional grants available for elite club status that could justify the cost of the project? I certainly can't see a case being made for it in terms of increased usage or in the fact that it replaces the odd occasion where St Mirren have to go looking for an alternative training venue because the weather conditions at Ralston see daytime temperatures at sub -6°C.

The reconfiguration of the pitches is interesting. It's exactly what I've been saying since the stadium plans were first revealed and the size of these 5-a-side pitches became apparent. Much larger pitches are needed and the club should have and still should go down the path of creating 2 x 7-a-side pitches and if there is money available for improvement works I would still suggest that it would make far more sense to invest in creating the two pitches than it would putting a roof over the current facility. If the current facility is as underused as others have said then the club really should be moving down the route of offering local juvenile clubs the kind of facilities they would want to use on a week day night granting them serial lets for the full season.

You see thats the problem if you are one of life's 'Negs'!

you only see opportunity to pour scorn before taking the time or effort to fully understand the 'WHY'?

The pitches will be covered and be flexible to create 1 or 2 larger pitches or more smaller ones. The size of the pitch space at the moment is not necessarily the size the new facility will be, expect it to be larger, therfor readily available for SMFC to train in, and available for hire to any youth team and other professional clubs when they are all queuing to get into Toryglen, and want a cheaper easier accessed alternative (it's a 3 minute walk from a train station).

Indeed who knows we may well still see GCLFC strutting their stuff at ONE of our facilitieswhistling.gif

One Town, One Team, One Open Air 3g Training facility, One Indoors Training Facility..... They aint got that in feckin Lanarkshireclap.gif

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You are probably right RIck. After all only a Socialist would think that St Mirren funding what is essentially a loss making vanity project is a good idea, especially at a time when the Chairman has been predicting financial Armageddon and when the club are making redundancies. rolleyes.gif

I can't take anything you say about St.Mirren seriously ,Stu. Your loathing of anything to do with the club is so obvious and it colours your thinking. I use the term 'thinking' very loosely in your case. Because you cannot see a tidal wave of income streams, it must be flawed. Lanarkshire rules! OK?

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Just got mine thru the door. Main news seems to be the start of two major capital expansions

  • Covering the 5-a-side pitches behind the North Stand
  • Fitting out The Void area. cool.png

so it looks as if the BoD are resigned to being in it for the long haul!

The club made a loss of £290k but since this includes depeciation of the ground to the value of £312k we made a small profit, I think! wacko.png It's over 30 years since I passed my Accounting O Grade.

Turnover & wages pretty much the same as the year before

2011 Turnover £3.13M, Wages £2.018M

2012 Turnover £3.26M, Wages £2.081M

Main resolution at the AGM is whether the results should be sent out by paper or electronically - I'm torn between reducing my carbon footprint and receiving the Report on the doormat which I allus think of as an early Christmas present.

Does the wages only include players, or is that everyone at the club?

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wow! Thats me told. Toryglen cost £17m, Ravenscraig £32m. I'm guessing Kenny McLean must be worth more than I could ever have imagined rolleyes.gif

Still no ringing endorsement of this fantastic investment in scottish youth football? Poor form, shame on you! Your true colours shine through

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Just got mine thru the door. Main news seems to be the start of two major capital expansions

  • Covering the 5-a-side pitches behind the North Stand
  • Fitting out The Void area. cool.png

so it looks as if the BoD are resigned to being in it for the long haul!

The club made a loss of £290k but since this includes depeciation of the ground to the value of £312k we made a small profit, I think! wacko.png It's over 30 years since I passed my Accounting O Grade.

Turnover & wages pretty much the same as the year before

2011 Turnover £3.13M, Wages £2.018M

2012 Turnover £3.26M, Wages £2.081M

Main resolution at the AGM is whether the results should be sent out by paper or electronically - I'm torn between reducing my carbon footprint and receiving the Report on the doormat which I allus think of as an early Christmas present.

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My heroes have always killed cowboys! death.gif

You see thats the problem if you are one of life's 'Negs'!

you only see opportunity to pour scorn before taking the time or effort to fully understand the 'WHY'?

The pitches will be covered and be flexible to create 1 or 2 larger pitches or more smaller ones. The size of the pitch space at the moment is not necessarily the size the new facility will be, expect it to be larger, therfor readily available for SMFC to train in, and available for hire to any youth team and other professional clubs when they are all queuing to get into Toryglen, and want a cheaper easier accessed alternative (it's a 3 minute walk from a train station).

Indeed who knows we may well still see GCLFC strutting their stuff at ONE of our facilitieswhistling.gif

One Town, One Team, One Open Air 3g Training facility, One Indoors Training Facility..... They aint got that in feckin Lanarkshireclap.gif

Indeed you are right Somner - we've got four towns, four teams, loads of 3g pitches including one at the Excelsior Stadium, one at Broadwood and a Regional Sports Facility that incorporates one full sized indoor pitch, one full sized outdoor 3g pitch, several large outdoor 7-a-side pitches and an indoor running track and it's still apparent it has been a wasted opportunity. You'd think with that kind of experience dafties following in Lanarkshires footsteps would listen to their expertise. :rolleyes:

Look, if this financial report is heralding the introduction of a capital project that will see St Mirren build it's own full sized indoor football facility then I'd be knocked out impressed - especially if the club then go on to partner with local community juvenile football clubs in offering the facilities to them at a price cheaper than the rip off fees Renfrewshire Council have been guilty of charging for much poorer quality facilities in the region. I promise that if they pull that off I'll be one of the first in the queue nominating Stewart Gilmour for an OBE. However being one of "lifes negs" and having seen St Mirren's track record over the course of my lifetime I suspect that this will just be the covering of the existing five a side pitches as Bud the Baker stated in his original post and I suspect it will prove to be a waste of money and yet another missed opportunity.

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Indeed you are right Somner - we've got four towns, four teams, loads of 3g pitches including one at the Excelsior Stadium, one at Broadwood and a Regional Sports Facility that incorporates one full sized indoor pitch, one full sized outdoor 3g pitch, several large outdoor 7-a-side pitches and an indoor running track and it's still apparent it has been a wasted opportunity. You'd think with that kind of experience dafties following in Lanarkshires footsteps would listen to their expertise. rolleyes.gif

Look, if this financial report is heralding the introduction of a capital project that will see St Mirren build it's own full sized indoor football facility then I'd be knocked out impressed - especially if the club then go on to partner with local community juvenile football clubs in offering the facilities to them at a price cheaper than the rip off fees Renfrewshire Council have been guilty of charging for much poorer quality facilities in the region. I promise that if they pull that off I'll be one of the first in the queue nominating Stewart Gilmour for an OBE. However being one of "lifes negs" and having seen St Mirren's track record over the course of my lifetime I suspect that this will just be the covering of the existing five a side pitches as Bud the Baker stated in his original post and I suspect it will prove to be a waste of money and yet another missed opportunity.

I suspect = I know f**k all, but being a negative prat I'll just make up any old nightmare scenario because they shafted me once when i wasn't cute enough to show them only a teaser.

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Am I the only one on here wondering why the team are possibly using the pitches behind the Away Stand at Greenhill Road if they are unable to use the facilities at Ralston? If these pitches are capable of being used even in bad weather, why were they not assembled at the Ralston complex? Am I missing something here? I hope I am missing something because this seems odd to me.

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Am I the only one on here wondering why the team are possibly using the pitches behind the Away Stand at Greenhill Road if they are unable to use the facilities at Ralston? If these pitches are capable of being used even in bad weather, why were they not assembled at the Ralston complex? Am I missing something here? I hope I am missing something because this seems odd to me.

No room for that sort of thing at Ralston.
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I promise that if they pull that off I'll be one of the first in the queue nominating Stewart Gilmour for an OBE. However being one of "lifes negs" and having seen St Mirren's track record over the course of my lifetime I suspect that this will just be the covering of the existing five a side pitches as Bud the Baker stated in his original post and I suspect it will prove to be a waste of money and yet another missed opportunity.

St. Mirren's track record since you stated that Gilmour was "killing the club softly" has been to get the club out of the First Division, establish it as an SPL club, clear a £3 million debt, build a brand new SPL compliant stadium and deliver a brand new training complex.

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Am I the only one on here wondering why the team are possibly using the pitches behind the Away Stand at Greenhill Road if they are unable to use the facilities at Ralston? If these pitches are capable of being used even in bad weather, why were they not assembled at the Ralston complex? Am I missing something here? I hope I am missing something because this seems odd to me.

My understanding is that the club can't use Ralston for commercial purposes, ie hiring out any of the pitches.

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Five a side pitches are great business , and an indoor pitches, changing rooms and a bar would generate quite a bit of income , I think we done not too badly out of the Caledonia street facility ,the facility would also provide training facilities during the bad weather , continued good business by the current board ,

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St. Mirren's track record since you stated that Gilmour was "killing the club softly" has been to get the club out of the First Division, establish it as an SPL club, clear a £3 million debt, build a brand new SPL compliant stadium and deliver a brand new training complex.

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Indeed, there's about as much proof of the club being killed as there is of Scottish football heading for oblivion.

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Were the indoor pitches not regularly booked out ?

But the Gym facility not as profitable as it should have been

Indoor five a side picthes are quite hard toget access to,especially with decent bar facilities , and a few companies have done well out of running five a side pitches,so I thin its a good move by the club.

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