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Jeez...! is this pish still being talked about?

I know why shull keeps coming back to it... it says "FREE" in the thread title and he's got his phone hooked up for that keyword.

what's the rest of your excuses though..? Boredom? sprained wrists only good for punching keys instead of knuckle-shuffling..?

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This is indeed correct, he could have been. I'm not sure exactly what training the police are given on offences of this type, but I'd imagine it's based on whether or not such an arrest would be worthwhile or pointless based on the expected eventual outcome?

When a case such as this gets to the fiscal (and then subsequently to court), the test that is used is not a subjective one (i.e. it is not based on if anybody actually was placed in a situation of being in fear or alarm), rather an objective one, which looks at the likelihood of the 'ordinary' person who is neither overly sensitive nor overly immune to such fear and alarm.

In my opinion, this type of case would have a close to zero prospect of any sort of conviction (or even getting past the first stage of the fiscal before being dropped), as it would be incredibly difficult to establish that an ordinary person would be placed in such a position of being in a state of fear or alarm for being called a fanny...

Again, I cannot be certain as to the specifics of local police training on the issue, but I'd imagine they are told in general to overlook such an issue for these reasons.

Your 3rd paragraph also, I believe, sums up the chance of a conviction in the case of some shouting "Free Palestine" or "Free Scotland" or indeed, in its day "Free Nelson Mandela".

The truth that may never surface regarding this incident is that the Celtic security, at the very least, asked the police officers to note that DSS has shouted "Free Palestine" and this prompted their intervention.

I would be interested to know what the Lord Advocate's opinion would be of someone being arrested under this new law for such an utterance at a football match.

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What has Palestine got to do with a footballer from Israel.

Was a reaction wanted from Kayal.

Maybe we could get a quote or reaction from DVZ and Goodwin about The Troubles ?

Pathetic DSS !

Someone should also have asked cisse on tuesday night how he feels about al qaeda.

Lets also ask all the english based players at st mirren how they feel about scottish independence.

This DSS character and that other balloon bluto made real tits of themselves over this and bumped their gums when not enough people agreed with them.

DSS & BLUTO main stand sweary mob

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DSS, delighted that common sense prevailed and you're free from having a criminal record.

You should never have been arrested in the first place, but hey ho.

Personally, like apartheid era South Africa, I prefer to think of the plight of the Palestinian people as a humanitarian, rather than political, issue. For that reason I support what what DSS said and indeed where and how it was said.

Only my opinion though.

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In days of yore I've heard the Saints faithful question the hygiene of the Grenockions, the parenthood of referees, the apparent abuse of woolly farmyard animals by a group of fans from the Aberdeen area....I could probably go on but I can't be arsed. As a paying fan I couldn't give a fcuk what goes on and if it makes a folks day to get something "aff their chest" then go for it. It doesnae bother me.

When it becomes impossible to get rid of frustration at a game of football then I'll call it a day. I really don't care what individuals shout and ball, a wee quiet mutter of "nutter" to a mate usually does it for me.

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As I already said as I work in this area I cannot comment on individual incidents.

I am a passionate football fan who probably says things at times that are out of order and try to police games as a football fan as well as a police officer as I was a fan a hell of a long time before I was a police officer.

Was only trying to clear up a couple of technical points.

Although I can assure you far more OF fans are arrested under these laws than non OF fans despite what you may think.

As an officer of the law your input here is useful. Thanks for the initial post.

I appreciate you can't comment on specific incidents so let's take this into the hypothetical world. Imagine a footballing environment (i.e. a situation covered by the new legislation), how should police officers act after being made aware of an individual shouting "Think you're a hard man, Jasper, eh? You're just a fcuking fanny" in an offensive and aggressive manner? Now consider the impact that audio and video evidence of this incident would have on securing a conviction - imagine there was such evidence, do you not think there would be a god chance the PF would persue such a case?

In this hypothetical situation, in your opinion, should the individual be charged under the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012? If not, hypothetically, could you explain why not?

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Some of you seemed surprised to see politics being raised in football but this phenomenon is nothing new; note Socrates Corinthian Democracy movement; Franco and Real Madrid; Carlos Caszeli in Pinochet’s Chile. The list goes on and amusing to read some of the comments and conclusions about me from a being a 'zealot' and 'picking on Kayal'.

My comment 'free Palestine' was not intended for public consumption. I did not 'shout'. The people around me never heard me say it, it was intended for the ears of the player who would have either agreed or disagreed with my statement.

Kayal is an Israeli Arab and his forebears before 1948 would have been Palestinians. Arabs in Israel today are treated as second class citizens, there's absolutely no doubt about that. During the Scottish Cup game, Kayal walked from the bench into the tunnel and when I said it to him he looked up at me, smiled and raised his thumbs.

A Tweet of his also suggested he was sympathetic to the Palestinians. So my last comment was in solidarity with Kayal and for that I was arrested and charged.

Edited by Desperately Seeking Susans

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As an officer of the law your input here is useful. Thanks for the initial post.

I appreciate you can't comment on specific incidents so let's take this into the hypothetical world. Imagine a footballing environment (i.e. a situation covered by the new legislation), how should police officers act after being made aware of an individual shouting "Think you're a hard man, Jasper, eh? You're just a fcuking fanny" in an offensive and aggressive manner? Now consider the impact that audio and video evidence of this incident would have on securing a conviction - imagine there was such evidence, do you not think there would be a god chance the PF would persue such a case?

In this hypothetical situation, in your opinion, should the individual be charged under the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012? If not, hypothetically, could you explain why not?

Yes

Audio/Video evidence is excellent in these cases and I would say yes it does come under the new law.

In most cases a complainer is required although that complainer can be the PF(to combat cases where it is the evidence of two police officers who are the witnesses and therefore not deemed the complainers).

It is not outwith the realms of possibilities to prosecute this although it would have stronger foundation if said player/person was to make the complaint official.

I admit there is a degree of fudging here but tbh the answer to your question is yes but chances are this wouldn't be pursued.

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Some of you seemed surprised to see politics being raised in football but this phenomenon is nothing new; note Socrates Corinthian Democracy movement; Franco and Real Madrid; Carlos Caszeli in Pinochet’s Chile. The list goes on and amusing to read some of the comments and conclusions about me from a being a 'zealot' and 'picking on Kayal'.

My comment 'free Palestine' was not intended for public consumption. I did not 'shout'. The people around me never heard me say it, it was intended for the ears of the player who would have either agreed or disagreed with my statement.

Kayal is an Israeli Arab and his forebears before 1948 would have been Palestinians. Arabs in Israel today are treated as second class citizens, there's absolutely no doubt about that. During the Scottish Cup game, Kayal walked from the bench into the tunnel and when I said it to him he looked up at me, smiled and raised his thumbs.

A Tweet of his also suggested he was sympathetic to the Palestinians. So my last comment was in solidarity with Kayal and for that I was arrested and charged.

Socrates? Franco? lol.gif Aw FFS gie us a break. Stop justifying what you did.

Edited by oaksoft

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Al zheimers - committee member fae the cockles keichyarse bus was huckled at abernethy cheesy biscuits stadium on saturday for shouting "free pallet signs"

On his release from hill street station he denied that he would be posting self indulgent martyrdom pish on the forum for months about it.

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Guest somner9

is the free palestinian player any better than what we have already ?

If you say that again you'll be arrested..!

Now are you going to:

A: Pause, Reflect and Refrain (Then go straight to the Tile Bar with your get out of jail free beer tokens)

B: Shout it again (With the certain Knowledge you'll be spending some time opposite a LAGOON, with a future day in court to follow)

What would Jesus/Allah/Yaweh/Elohim/El/Jehovah/Baha 'I ... do?

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