bigjerseybuddie Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 If the loan signings from Newcastle are true then why are they not already at the club? Is it down purely to finance or is it yet another non story? Any signing now will have very little " bedding in" time and let's face it I have yet to meet a patient St Mirren supporter! Is it possible that either Newton or Dummet are coming back therefore already familiar with our style? So many unanswered questions. I usually look forward to a new season with a degree of misguided optimism, however I admit to being a tad worried about our lack of depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovestreet Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Both and striker potentially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilPar72 Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 If the loan signings from Newcastle are true then why are they not already at the club? Is it down purely to finance or is it yet another non story? Any signing now will have very little " bedding in" time and let's face it I have yet to meet a patient St Mirren supporter! Is it possible that either Newton or Dummet are coming back therefore already familiar with our style? So many unanswered questions. I usually look forward to a new season with a degree of misguided optimism, however I admit to being a tad worried about our lack of depth. Because Newcastle will want to look at the development of their youngster first hand before determining which of them can step into their first team squad and who they are willing to release on loan. They can only do that after their own pre season is significantly under way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 I have to say even though i don't agree with hammering the young lads at the club the reality is they don't really seem to be very good. Compared to the promising youngsters we've seen in the past they just seem to lack confidence and really uncomfortable on the ball. One of the major concerns for me for next season though is how uncomfortable Cornell looked on the ball, McAusland and Van Zanten don't really like the short pass out from goal and I just didn't like the start of the link up play coming out from the goalkeeper. Van and Cheesy have their good points as defenders but playing the ball to their feet from goal isn't one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 I have to say even though i don't agree with hammering the young lads at the club the reality is they don't really seem to be very good. Compared to the promising youngsters we've seen in the past they just seem to lack confidence and really uncomfortable on the ball. One of the major concerns for me for next season though is how uncomfortable Cornell looked on the ball, McAusland and Van Zanten don't really like the short pass out from goal and I just didn't like the start of the link up play coming out from the goalkeeper. Van and Cheesy have their good points as defenders but playing the ball to their feet from goal isn't one of them. What did Naismith do wrong on Saturday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray7 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Naismith was solid. He's actually a centre half, though, not a right back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsuMirren Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 What did Naismith do wrong on Saturday? I thought he looked good, Danny will soon hammer him for the long throws. Surely only Goodwin is allowed to give possession away cheaply. Sent from my GT-P5110 using Black & White Army mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 What did Naismith do wrong on Saturday? I didn't say any of them did anything wrong and of course he was out of position but would you say he's SPL ready for next season? I've seen him play a good few times and I don't think he's ready to step up. Like I said though I don't agree with anyone hammering into them the young players just don't seem (yet) to posses SPL quality. We need to be looking at a couple new players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedflanders123 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 I know it was against our rivals but people, get a grip here. This was only our second game and useful for the management to try things out. Other than bragging rights, the game was meaningless in real terms. Looking into friendly games while players are rusty does not indicate what will happen when the real deal begins with the game at ICT. I would rather any deficiencies are found at this time for the manager to deal with than during the season. It was a bad day at the office on Saturday but the season has not even started yet and players will require more match practice and fitness. Morton have had more games than us and while that does not excuse us for losing 4 goals against them, we should not consider this a reflection of how our season is going to go as there is still time for others to come in (loan or otherwise) and for those young players to gain some much needed experience. The cries of doom on this forum after a poor pre-season so far is ridiculous. Celtic shipped 6 goals against a German second division side who did not win 1 home game all last season so does that make them a bad team after one bad day at the office? It was a friendly and an exercise in getting players match fit - much like us on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 I didn't say any of them did anything wrong and of course he was out of position but would you say he's SPL ready for next season? I've seen him play a good few times and I don't think he's ready to step up. Like I said though I don't agree with anyone hammering into them the young players just don't seem (yet) to posses SPL quality. We need to be looking at a couple new players. I thought he looked pretty close to being able to make the step up. I've already posted elsewhere this morning that I wouldn't have a problem seeing him starting games on the basis that we've got experienced cover at right back. The only way these lads will proress is if there are given a chance, and it looked to me that Naismith is ready for his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 I thought he looked pretty close to being able to make the step up. I've already posted elsewhere this morning that I wouldn't have a problem seeing him starting games on the basis that we've got experienced cover at right back. The only way these lads will proress is if there are given a chance, and it looked to me that Naismith is ready for his. he made a couple slack passes and din't look comfortable on the ball, he didn't do anything that would make me think he's ready to play SPL football at 19 so no way I would want him as a starting centre back next season, I thought the same about Cheesy at that age as well though and think going to Queen of the South changed him into a player. I think another loan deal would be best for naismith and a couple the other young lads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 he made a couple slack passes and din't look comfortable on the ball, he didn't do anything that would make me think he's ready to play SPL football at 19 so no way I would want him as a starting centre back next season, I thought the same about Cheesy at that age as well though and think going to Queen of the South changed him into a player. I think another loan deal would be best for naismith and a couple the other young lads. I disagree. I thought he looked more composed than DVZ when he was on (albeit the latter didn't feature for long beofre being injured). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 I have to say even though i don't agree with hammering the young lads at the club the reality is they don't really seem to be very good. Compared to the promising youngsters we've seen in the past they just seem to lack confidence and really uncomfortable on the ball. One of the major concerns for me for next season though is how uncomfortable Cornell looked on the ball, McAusland and Van Zanten don't really like the short pass out from goal and I just didn't like the start of the link up play coming out from the goalkeeper. Van and Cheesy have their good points as defenders but playing the ball to their feet from goal isn't one of them. Yip, I came away on Saturday with three primary concerns; 1) If Thommo gets injured or hits a dip in form we are screwed 2) The new goalkeeper turned in an absolutely dreadful performance 3) I didn't think Sean Kelly did well at all at left back The positives I took; 1) McGowan and Teale were excellent, particularly the latter, he was by far our best performer on the day IMO 2) McGregor looked ok and it was just good to see him back 3) Naismith played well when he came on IMO Harsh to criticise Kelly and Cornell too much based on one game though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 I disagree. I thought he looked more composed than DVZ when he was on (albeit the latter didn't feature for long beofre being injured). He certainly wasn't as bad as Kelly or Cornell, but he doesn't get pass marks from me. He looked like a young kid playing out of position, which he was, so it's hard to be overly harsh on him. His distribution was poor, he was caught out of position at least twice which led to Morton attacks, he got into a good crossing position once and over hit it by about 10 yards. Morton fans think he's rubbish after his loan spell there last year. If we are going to be relying on a player deemed not good enough for Morton to play a big part in our defence next season, i'd be pretty worried. I'm sure we won't be though and i'm sure Danny's working to bring in defensive cover as we speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Harsh to criticise Kelly and Cornell too much based on one game though. Agree - if we're going to judge a player as being a dud after one game, then we would have seen Conor Newton shipped back to Newcastle after 90 minutes of action. Cornell looked extremely nervous to me, but there's no way we should be jumping to a hasty conclusion about a specialised position after one outing. I said it elsewhere - David De Gea at Manchester United was absolutely rank at the beginning of his career there. OTT criticism of Cornell is, well, OTT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 We need need need a natural left back! Sean Kelly isn't one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabella Duke Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 I know it was against our rivals but people, get a grip here. This was only our second game and useful for the management to try things out. Other than bragging rights, the game was meaningless in real terms. Looking into friendly games while players are rusty does not indicate what will happen when the real deal begins with the game at ICT. I would rather any deficiencies are found at this time for the manager to deal with than during the season. It was a bad day at the office on Saturday but the season has not even started yet and players will require more match practice and fitness. Morton have had more games than us and while that does not excuse us for losing 4 goals against them, we should not consider this a reflection of how our season is going to go as there is still time for others to come in (loan or otherwise) and for those young players to gain some much needed experience. The cries of doom on this forum after a poor pre-season so far is ridiculous. Celtic shipped 6 goals against a German second division side who did not win 1 home game all last season so does that make them a bad team after one bad day at the office? It was a friendly and an exercise in getting players match fit - much like us on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabella Duke Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 We need need need a natural left back! Sean Kelly isn't one. We need a natural manager! Danny Lennon isn't one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santaponsasaint Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 We need a natural manager! Danny Lennon isn't one. : Best post of the thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovestreet Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 We need need need a natural left back! Sean Kelly isn't one. Ones coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ McG Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Ones coming Tess aint coming, he has been having a good pre season with killie and is staying there seemingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddiecat Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Tess aint coming, he has been having a good pre season with killie and is staying there seemingly. Tess left under a cloud, i would let bygones be bygones, but he took a lot of stick from some of our fans and would probably not want to move back to us, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Whats Jure Travner up to these days , would quite like to see him back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedflanders123 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Just what I thought, nothing constructive to say. Sad that someone gets so upset when we lose a friendly match. It is the St Mirren way to disappoint more than please - I know having watched them since 1968 - so nothing surprises me. I will save my angst until we play a meaningful game when points means prizes or progression in a cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappas cheese Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 I thought the lad Kelly looked decent in the first half. He was keen to push forward. The issue was McGinn and Harkins didnt know who was meant to be playing left mid (or who was meant to mark their right back). Cornell wasnt comfortable with Lennons pass-it-out-at-all-costs tactics - which is a lot of p*sh. I was delighted with Naismiths no nonscence approach. Teale was our best player. Our first goal was superb. I also enjoyed Harkins odd flash of skill. If we are not signing anymore players I'd play Naismith and Goodwin in central defence... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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