Lex Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 And what about if they do want to tell people and come out in public, but feel they can't because of the macho culture built up around football? Should that not be seen as a problem? That's quite hypothetical isn't it? I'm sure most people have no interest in telling the public their sexual preferences. Do single players ever come out as straight? No they don't, so why should gay players do it? The public does not have a right to anyones personal business, football players or not. As for this particular issue. This guy has lied and has been caught out. No one ever remembers him at St Mirren and he can't remember the coach who said to leave because he was gay? Likely story. Bizarre lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) That's quite hypothetical isn't it? I'm sure most people have no interest in telling the public their sexual preferences. Do single players ever come out as straight? No they don't, so why should gay players do it? The public does not have a right to anyones personal business, football players or not. Hypothetical? Are you taking the piss? I'm sorry but this is the sort of casual ignorance which is at the root of the problem. It betrays a complete misunderstanding of what life must be like for a homosexual. It beggars belief that an intelligent person can't understand the problems faced by a young footballer either voluntarily declaring his homosexuality or having that discovered about him. It would be back and front page news. You can only imagine what sort of reception he'd get from opposition fans. Ask Justin Fashanu's family. Surely you understand the pressure this must put on a player? Edited July 31, 2013 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) I don't play professional football so it's not going to be any great problem for me. What problems do you foresee anyway? And don't forget, even though no problem currently exists, this will be turned around and entirely focussed on "fans behaviour". Football fans just can't be trusted you know. Seriously is this "World Ostrich" day? No, a huge minority of football fans cannot be trusted. A generation of probably (statistically) hundreds of young homosexual male footballers absolutely petrified that their sexuality will be discovered and their career will end as a direct result. I see a problem with any group of people deeply unhappy in their lives for absolutely no good cause just because we have a pack of animals on the terraces who would go out of their way to make the footballers life absolute hell on earth if knowledge of their homosexuality became widespread. I see that as an enormous problem for those involved and they have my full sympathy for their situation. What I don't do is FORESEE that problem. It's hard to forsee something which is happening NOW right in front of our faces. Edited July 31, 2013 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Gaiety? Have you ever been a coach at SMP? We could have found the guilty party! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 I think the part about no one at the club remembering him and him not remembering who the individuals name was, points out that his statement has no value anyway. Wooooshed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM1 Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Even if a player did come out, Marvin Andrews would always be there to "cure" them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 Have you ever been a coach at SMP? We could have found the guilty party! Seriously is this "World Ostrich" day? No, a huge minority of football fans cannot be trusted. A generation of probably (statistically) hundreds of young homosexual male footballers absolutely petrified that their sexuality will be discovered and their career will end as a direct result. I see a problem with any group of people deeply unhappy in their lives for absolutely no good cause just because we have a pack of animals on the terraces who would go out of their way to make the footballers life absolute hell on earth if knowledge of their homosexuality became widespread. I see that as an enormous problem for those involved and they have my full sympathy for their situation. What I don't do is FORESEE that problem. It's hard to forsee something which is happening NOW right in front of our faces. I see you are a water bearer for the loony left. Congratulations. And it's good to see that you think football fans can't be trusted to behave well either. You are a horrible authoritarian leftard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 Me, oaky or both of us? ps - add a sense of humour to your list for Santa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 Stupid and potentially damaging allegations in this currently overly PC climate from a clearly troubled young man. Not surprising to see the BBC push this agenda, 5Live had a whole hours worth of chat about the gaiety and some now retired footballer who had "come out" and how the whole football world is full of closet homosexuals who are too afraid to own up to their sexual preference because football is too macho and lad like. So its fairly clear that "common purpose" are now attempting to sprinkle some of their left wing fairy dust in the Scottish bit of the game too. Its f**king pathetic, but it's how these cultural Marxists roll. Look for a story, blow it up outof all proportion and shove an agenda that nobody gives an actual f**k about down everyones throat and get us all hysterically examining each other behaviour and attitude. Good to see it backfiring in this particular instance although a bit of a pisser that our club was plucked out of the hat to be the aunt sally figure for the BBC and the ultra PC and horrible leftard Cosgrove to have a pop at. f**king cunts. spoken like a true tory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest somner9 Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 Stupid and potentially damaging allegations in this currently overly PC climate from a clearly troubled young man. Not surprising to see the BBC push this agenda, 5Live had a whole hours worth of chat about the gaiety and some now retired footballer who had "come out" and how the whole football world is full of closet homosexuals who are too afraid to own up to their sexual preference because football is too macho and lad like. So its fairly clear that "common purpose" are now attempting to sprinkle some of their left wing fairy dust in the Scottish bit of the game too. Its f**king pathetic, but it's how these cultural Marxists roll. Look for a story, blow it up outof all proportion and shove an agenda that nobody gives an actual f**k about down everyones throat and get us all hysterically examining each other behaviour and attitude. Good to see it backfiring in this particular instance although a bit of a pisser that our club was plucked out of the hat to be the aunt sally figure for the BBC and the ultra PC and horrible leftard Cosgrove to have a pop at. f**king cunts. Why does your quote remind me of this..? http://youtu.be/MGte64wLYJ8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingscot Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 Would a player coming out as gay today be a huge problem or issue? I could see it in the 1990s, but today I wouldn't think there would be many in clubs or on the terraces that would see it an an 'issue'. Personally if some player was gay I couldn't care less and I doubt many fans would make it an issue. Plus with the focus on inappropriate singing/racism these days anybody giving a gay player grief due to his sexual orientation is likely to be shouted down, prosecuted or vilified in the press- most likely all 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 Would a player coming out as gay today be a huge problem or issue? I could see it in the 1990s, but today I wouldn't think there would be many in clubs or on the terraces that would see it an an 'issue'. Personally if some player was gay I couldn't care less and I doubt many fans would make it an issue. Plus with the focus on inappropriate singing/racism these days anybody giving a gay player grief due to his sexual orientation is likely to be shouted down, prosecuted or vilified in the press- most likely all 3. The problem is the fear. If I was a gay and very high profile footballer the risk of being discovered with the consequent publicity would keep me awake at night. Whilst you might be right about more accepting attitudes now the risk is huge for these players. If it backfired it would be the end of their career. You've really got to put yourself in their shoes to understand why this is still a major problem. Tell you what though, the major star who actually comes out with this will be applauded by the majority of people who aren't knuckle dragging scum and will be remembered forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrez Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 As a gay man I find Charlie Ross very offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 Tell you what though, the major star who actually comes out with this will be applauded by the majority of people who aren't knuckle dragging scum and will be remembered forever. The depressing thing is that I doubt if it would make any difference if a major star did come out. Gareth Thomas coming out made none in rugby, no-one else (that I can think of, anyway, correct me if I'm wrong) followed him. Cue the neanderthals you were talking about "rugby's a poof's game", etc, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint McKay Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 I listened to the episode of Off the Ball in question. The "former-trainer-turned-stand-up-comic" that nobody had ever heard of made his claim, and Cowan immediately asked if this was just and allegation or if there had been lawyers. The guest responded by saying it was a matter of fact that he'd been sat down by the club and fired because his "problem" was "inappropriate". Seems like a far cry from either the version of events as described by the club, or the subsequent account by the attention seeking no-mark when he had been called out on the matter. Like most people, I would welcome an end to homophobia, racism and any other form of bigotry in both football and in society, but idiots like this do nothing to bring this closer to reality. This man just lied for attention as he is trying to make a name for himself as an actor/writer/comedian/pundit/anything at all as long as people notice him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 I am gay by the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 I am gay by the way Still works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) I listened to the episode of Off the Ball in question. The "former-trainer-turned-stand-up-comic" that nobody had ever heard of made his claim, and Cowan immediately asked if this was just and allegation or if there had been lawyers. The guest responded by saying it was a matter of fact that he'd been sat down by the club and fired because his "problem" was "inappropriate". Seems like a far cry from either the version of events as described by the club, or the subsequent account by the attention seeking no-mark when he had been called out on the matter. Like most people, I would welcome an end to homophobia, racism and any other form of bigotry in both football and in society, but idiots like this do nothing to bring this closer to reality. This man just lied for attention as he is trying to make a name for himself as an actor/writer/comedian/pundit/anything at all as long as people notice him. Is it possible for an 'entity' to sue for defamation? If so, SMFC should sue this guy for publicly tarnishing their good name. Edited August 1, 2013 by saint in exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 I listened live to that off the ball show and just assumed .....well they were different times. Now It's shown he lied.. he is just a fcuk wit.... Gay or not he has lost any credibility I would have afforded him.....Gay or straight he is a scumbag putting down my club..... just.a fcuk wit really. What was he on the show for exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) As a tool of the cultural Marxists in their attempt to besmirch the good name of SMFC? They took it too far when they enrolled The Sun in their conspiracy, though..... Edited for predictive text. Again. Edited August 1, 2013 by salmonbuddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 As a tool of the cultural Marxists in their attempt to besmirch the good name of SMFC? They took it too far when they enrolled The Sun in their conspiracy, though..... Edited for predictive text. Again. I said in my original post n the subject that our club just happened to be in the way. The BBC has an agenda at the moment to push this gays in football thing and its the fans they are blaming for the failure of top players to admit they are fans of musicals. That and of course the macho dressing room culture in professional football, so in actual fact, its just basically everything in footballs fault that some gays don't want to come prancing out to tell everyone that they are gays. Yaaaawwnnn. Arent we all really terrible people for making these poor innocent gays not come out in the world of football? I'm sure so many of us in here REALLY care about this deeply. Anyway, I was asking why this chap turned up on off the ball? What was he promoting? His stand up career, his story about being sacked? What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 I don't get the argument that the only way to fight this supposed homophobia in football is for gay footballers all to come out and announce to the press, their team mates and to everyone else that they are gay. Surely you only get true tolerance when players are allowed to continue their sex lives - assuming they are lawful - in private, without the glare of the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reborn saint Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 I don't get the argument that the only way to fight this supposed homophobia in football is for gay footballers all to come out and announce to the press, their team mates and to everyone else that they are gay. Surely you only get true tolerance when players are allowed to continue their sex lives - assuming they are lawful - in private, without the glare of the media. Maybe...But some guy I've never heard of coming on a national radio show and claiming my club sacked him because he was gay and then climbing down when challenged is a poor show gay or not. Change of name sounds weird....Who the fcuk changes their name and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 I don't get the argument that the only way to fight this supposed homophobia in football is for gay footballers all to come out and announce to the press, their team mates and to everyone else that they are gay. Surely you only get true tolerance when players are allowed to continue their sex lives - assuming they are lawful - in private, without the glare of the media. I'd be quite happy not knowing the sexual preferences of random footballers. I'm far more intolerant of the ridiculous sums of money they earn for being mediocre sportsmen than anything they get up to in their spare time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reborn saint Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 Was it not just his surname that he changed? If so, it could be for career reasons or it could be because of a Civil Partnership. Or maybe he has several aliases . Of the 3 reasons....Civil partnership is the one I could respect and understand.......The other2 are far out man!.......If you read the St Mirren response to his allegations The fact the club HIGHLIGHT this fact suggests it was NOT for a civil partnership!.......Straight or gay this guy sounds a weirdo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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