Luther G. Presley Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Relegation this season would be a disaster. Next seasons 1st Division/Championship will most likely have Sevco in it so will be a very hard league to get out of. Or is that the reason for the lack of investment this season, take the gamble and if it goes tits up the worst case scenario is we will be in a lucrative 1st Division next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie-dee Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Relegation this season would be a disaster. Next seasons 1st Division/Championship will most likely have Sevco in it so will be a very hard league to get out of. Or is that the reason for the lack of investment this season, take the gamble and if it goes tits up the worst case scenario is we will be in a lucrative 1st Division next season. Do you think the B.O.D could think that one up. just a bad state of play that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabella Duke Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 26 wins from 115 SPL games, 22.6% win ratio. A dreadful record. And, adding to that, we were the 10th placed non Old Firm side last season - our lowest top flight finish in more than 40 years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabella Duke Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Relegation this season would be a disaster. Next seasons 1st Division/Championship will most likely have Sevco in it so will be a very hard league to get out of. Or is that the reason for the lack of investment this season, take the gamble and if it goes tits up the worst case scenario is we will be in a lucrative 1st Division next season. If we go down after a play off we may well end up in a First Division that includes Sevco, Hearts, Dundee & debt free Dunfermline! What would the chances of getting out of that league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) A dreadful record. And, adding to that, we were the 10th placed non Old Firm side last season - our lowest top flight finish in more than 40 years! Still better than Gus who had an 18.9% SPL win rate.... Edited August 4, 2013 by davidg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 What would the chances of getting out of that league?Promotion or relegation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 At the rate we are going Gus will overtake his record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLBud Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 You've got to imagine if Danny was able to bring players in he would, our shell of a squad isn't down to him we simply don't have the money. Grainger and Harkin are good signings but he has made a bit of an arse of it in the goalkeeping department. Harkins may well have been brought in to replace McGowan but after the wee man stayed he is pretty much superfluous to our needs unless we're playing 4-5-1 which just won't work with Thommo up top IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 October 19th. After the home game against St Johnstone. Put it in your diaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Simpson Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 A dreadful record. And, adding to that, we were the 10th placed non Old Firm side last season - our lowest top flight finish in more than 40 years! We've had plenty other worse seasons...why get fixated on one in which the league was eclipsed by the league cup? Concentrate on relevant points such as a poor opening day performance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Simpson Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 26 wins from 115 SPL games, 22.6% win ratio.What would the equivalent ratio be for other managers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 What would the equivalent ratio be for other managers? Like who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Simpson Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Like who?Well it was to compare like with like so Gus, Hendrie, Hay, Fitzy, Smith etc...? ie. top flight Saints managerial records... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Well it was to compare like with like so Gus, Hendrie, Hay, Fitzy, Smith etc...? ie. top flight Saints managerial records... I've given Gus above 18.9%. No idea about the others. Butcher with Inverness has an SPL win rate of 33% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Set out at 9am yesterday and got back around 10pm like the other 500 Saints fans was gutted we lost the FIRST LEAGUE GAME. Now the loyal army want the manager sacked ? Gowser was taken off because he was marked out of the game but the small portion of alcohol fuelled fans shout you don't know what your doing , nothing like the blind leading the blind. Some of the abuse our manager took made me cringe and ashamed. Now this piss poor thread , aye it's feels great being a supporter of this great club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergie's no1 fan Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Set out at 9am yesterday and got back around 10pm like the other 500 Saints fans was gutted we lost the FIRST LEAGUE GAME. Now the loyal army want the manager sacked ? Gowser was taken off because he was marked out of the game but the small portion of alcohol fuelled fans shout you don't know what your doing , nothing like the blind leading the blind. Some of the abuse our manager took made me cringe and ashamed. Now this piss poor thread , aye it's feels great being a supporter of this great club Agree with most of that apart from the Gowser bit. Danny had him playing in the wrong position he was far too deep, ICT didn't even have to mark him out of the game, that battle was already won. Just need to keep the faith as the saying goes. I do worry for DL though a couple of more performances like that and it'll be more than a minority that want him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Saint Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 I love you guys, you make me smile!! Reading this thread makes me feel like I support a world beating team! (before any smart arses answer, I know I don't) Get over yourselves, you won a major trophy last year, you lost a few meaningless pre-season friendlies (bar 1 ) , lose the first game of the season & it's fuking Armageddon! Really???? We've got higher standards than Morton fans and expect, no demand, better from our team, that's probably why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Simpson Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 I've given Gus above 18.9%. No idea about the others. Butcher with Inverness has an SPL win rate of 33% Butcher got relegated which makes that stat all the more impressive in my opinion, but do you think our fans would have keep faith in a manager that got us relegated in order to get repromoted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) I would never seek to take anything away from Danny in terms of the League Cup win, but I do believe it is possible to set this achievement apart from the general business of league football, and the role of the manager within both competitions. I think players have their eye on the prize when it comes to the cup and this is motivation in itself - moreso once they've successfully negotiated a couple of rounds. How often have we heard players talking about a major cup win potentially being a 'once in a lifetime' experience etc? Again, I'm not looking to detract from the manager's input, but I do think we have to put the cup victory to one side when considering the bread and butter business of the season. It doesn't paper over the cracks, in my view, because that denigrates just how important and momentous an achievement it was for all involved. It is, however, a distinct competition, and the impact the cup campaign appears to have had on our league form (something that the players and manager have acknowledged) cannot be ignored, thus underlining the distinction. The cracks in our league form have been there for all to see. The cup campaign was a very welcome break from them, and I suspect the players also embraced this. As such, they (the players) have to shoulder a degree of responsibility. Whether there is some form of behind the scenes unrest between management and players is mere speculation, but these guys are payed to do a job, and do it on a consistent basis. Unravelling as they appeared to do yesterday after the penalty, is very worrying. Heads shouldn't go down, FFS. You expect that from a team of 8 year olds, but not professional athletes. Experienced guys like Thompson, Harkins, McGowan, and Teale need to step up to the plate. Whether they regard the manager as a bit of a tumshie or not is moot, but they still have to prove week in, week out, that they are fit to wear the jerseys. I have concerns about Danny, I won't lie. I also have concerns regardng the extent to which he has the respect of some of the players, but they need to rise above this. In the past, I've reported to slabbering f**kwits in the workplace, but didn't see this an excuse to down tools. In the final analysis, you are answerable and accountable for your own performance. That applies to Danny, but also to the players. Edited August 4, 2013 by Drew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Butcher got relegated which makes that stat all the more impressive in my opinion, but do you think our fans would have keep faith in a manager that got us relegated in order to get repromoted? Butcher took over a club 5 points adrift at the bottom of the table at the end of January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Butcher took over a club 5 points adrift at the bottom of the table at the end of January. Got them OUT of the relegation zone and then subsequently back into it. Sent from my GT-I9300 using Black & White Army mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 I think we should be thankful that winning the league cup didn't qualify us for Europe, what would it be like on the forum today if we had been gubbed in our first three competitive matches . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E=Mc2 Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 As for fannywanking... it is a passion and hobby of mine... ... if you know of any fanny's in need of attention... ... ... ... As a person who is cory fisted I am also known amongst the ladies of a certain vintage as someone who is a bit a dab hand at said manoeuvres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 We've got higher standards than Morton fans and expect, no demand, better from our team, that's probably why. You have got, and continue to get, far better from DL and St Mirren If the board do what the idiot crowd want then the result will probably be relegation, by quite a margin as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie-dee Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Kenny Shiels in now! Classical comedy moment. we could not afford the fines from the league as every time he opened his mouth it would cost the club money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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