Isabella Duke Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 I'd like to visit this claim that making people stand will increase attendances. How does that work exactly? How will the marketing go.? Indeed. And the evidence, since grounds became all seated, is that attendances in Scotland reached a post 1950s historical high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Gates at football matches in Scotland soared after the formation of the SPL. They have been at an historical post 1950s high. Despite the fact that the late 60s and early 80s were the high points for Scottish football on the field, the gates were awful. Gates in Scotland per capita are around the highest in Europe. Even the Scottish First Division gets average gates higher than some top flights in Europe! And the main reason for this incredible increase in gates is seating at football matches. Its the usual suspects who want a return to standing and alcohol allowed in football grounds. They use words like "atmosphere" when what they really mean is drunken loutish behaviour and shouting abuse at opposition fans and even their fellow supporters. Standing and alcohol will never return to football grounds in Scotland. Civilisation is here to stay! Or maybe they're just looking at how good the system in Germany is and fancy a bit of that here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robo Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Or maybe they're just looking at how good the system in Germany is and fancy a bit of that here. Indeed, fans seem to be at the heart of football in Germany. Not the case here. Maybe things will change as more clubs become fan owned, which seems unlikely at St Mirren, and most of the clubs who are going down that route have suffered severe financial difficulty first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Indeed. And the evidence, since grounds became all seated, is that attendances in Scotland reached a post 1950s historical high. That may be true but causation doesn't necessarily follow. It's a common mistake to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 And the main reason for this incredible increase in gates is seating at football matches. Where are you getting the evidence for that assertion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLBud Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 There is a definite lack of atmosphere at our stadium but I'm not sure a standing area will fix that. I do believe "atmosphere" can drive a team on so we're missing a trick here in my opinion and it also improves the experience for a lot people. The diaspora of fans when we'd moved from Love St is key to this in my opinion and I'm sure this was flagged as a concern at the time. Best way to address it IMO is to have one of the stands (West) set up on a first come first served basis for seats. All the young team could gather together and make as much noise as they like then. Simple! (Cue frothing objection from displaced West Stand season ticket holders!) Just an idea! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Simpson Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Generally, at most foreign grounds, the "singing section" is behind the goals and is standing. The stands down the wings are usually seated. It usually follows that if you're more interested in singing the whole game you go behind the goals. If you're more interested in watching the game, having a seat & a better view, you'll sit in the stands. At points, the people in the seats will join in with the singing section, but usually the noise will come from the singing section. If Saints are going to consider anything like this, I would think the best way forward would be to move the family section to main or West stands (unlikely I know) and allow people who're there to create an atmosphere to congregate in the non-reserved seated South Stand. It's easy to say "If the team are doing well then the atmosphere will get better" but this clearly doesn't happen. The atmosphere is never great at St. Mirren Park. If this is a way to improve it and it's possible to actually do then I'd be happy for it to happen. I object that you get a better view from the side lines rather than behind the goals. As long as you have ample height the view isn't any different, merely provides a different perspective on the game. I appreciate I'm in the minority here as clearly there are more Main Stand and West Bank regulars than in the Family stand but it is about preference rather than quality of the view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BEN Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 I have said the same thing previously. It would also make it easier to bring friends/new family members when they can be seated together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reborn saint Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) It is quite simple.....The over reaction to the tragedy of a few grounds has killed our atmosphere. It's always fair play to get health and safety wise but the people who make these decisions look after themselves ....bubble wrap was the call!......Now ...Our BOD will be against any standing as it will cost a fortune!.......Already on record saying so. Not a chance and it is a MAJOR reason for non attendance!..........Germany can do it but we areunable to cause we are fannies. Edited August 21, 2013 by reborn saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 There is a definite lack of atmosphere at our stadium but I'm not sure a standing area will fix that. I do believe "atmosphere" can drive a team on so we're missing a trick here in my opinion and it also improves the experience for a lot people. The diaspora of fans when we'd moved from Love St is key to this in my opinion and I'm sure this was flagged as a concern at the time. Best way to address it IMO is to have one of the stands (West) set up on a first come first served basis for seats. All the young team could gather together and make as much noise as they like then. Simple! (Cue frothing objection from displaced West Stand season ticket holders!) Just an idea! :-) Aye, definitely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovestreet Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Never happen step backwards, why would anyone want to stand when you can sit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Never happen step backwards, why would anyone want to stand when you can sit. English please bucketgub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLBud Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Aye, definitely. You like that? Must be a concept familiar to you being one of the Buddies spread out across the globe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 You like that? Must be a concept familiar to you being one of the Buddies spread out across the globe! Shhh, I'm still looking it up, sakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabella Duke Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 That may be true but causation doesn't necessarily follow. It's a common mistake to make. Its okay. I'll forgive your mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabella Duke Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Where are you getting the evidence for that assertion? Personal observation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabella Duke Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 it is a MAJOR reason for non attendance!..........Germany can do it but we areunable to cause we are fannies. Attendances have gone up considerably since terracing was done away with, so its obviously not a MAJOR reason for non attendance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthSection5 Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 You'd only need to put rails in for it to be health and safety approved. The current concrete steps fall within the guidelines, so there's no worry there. I am a fan of putting it in the South Stand. It's a tighter stand - and by using away games as a precedent - people make more noise when they're squashed in together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 You'd only need to put rails in for it to be health and safety approved. The current concrete steps fall within the guidelines, so there's no worry there. I am a fan of putting it in the South Stand. It's a tighter stand - and by using away games as a precedent - people make more noise when they're squashed in together. Oh sakes, really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reborn saint Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Attendances have gone up considerably since terracing was done away with, so its obviously not a MAJOR reason for non attendance! Whit????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthSection5 Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Oh sakes, really? Sarcasm is the lowest form of whit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Sarcasm is the lowest form of whit... And don't you forget i..............................oh, wait, I see what you did there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovestreet Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 English please bucketgub. YER MAW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 YER MAW Whit? Something new? NAW!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovestreet Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Whit? Something new? NAW!!!!!!!!!!!! Nope old hat,yawning and waving emcons Give me some smiley faces to get a full house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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