The Referendum Thread

[Bart Simpson]

Apologies struggling to edit post on phone...leading to another duplicate post.

Edited November 18, 2013 by Bart Simpson

[Bart Simpson]

Duplicate post…

[faraway saint]

Duplicate post…

I like this one the best. ;)

[Bart Simpson]

faraway saint wrote:

I like this one the best. ;)

The app for phone is very good but I struggle to modify posts with quotes. Hence the above.

In fairness faraway, I think sensationalism merely serves to marginalise the population as a whole and doesn't engage anyone. I have my opinion and you have your own. Grown up debate to help the undecided voters come to a conclusion would be far healthier in my opinion.

ETA: hopefully edited this one correctly this time...

Edited November 18, 2013 by Bart Simpson

[faraway saint]

faraway saint wrote:The app for phone is very good but I struggle to modify posts with quotes. Hence the above.

In fairness faraway, I think sensationalism merely serves to marginalise the population as a whole and doesn't engage anyone. I have my opinion and you have your own. Grown up debate to help the undecided voters come to a conclusion would be far healthier in my opinion.

ETA: hopefully edited this one correctly this time...

I have the same trouble trying to modify from this IPod, it's a great excuse for the shite I post. ;)

[Bart Simpson]

I have the same trouble trying to modify from this IPod, it's a great excuse for the shite I post. ;)

I'm not admitting to posting nonsense…just those two duplicate posts… ;)

[Guest TPAFKATS]

I have the same trouble trying to modify from this IPod, it's a great excuse for the shite I post. ;)

Its no excuse for that

[faraway saint]

Its no excuse for that

Reported, I've got feelings you know!!!!!' ;)

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Why is it that the SNP will only accept the parts of independent reports that make independence sound vaguely viable whilst rejecting everything else in the same report?

Independence is sunk. Alex Salmond is a rotting hull in the cesspit of politics. Hopefully we'll scrap the Scottish Parliament next and boot all the f**king wasters picking up £58,097 per annum in salary and many more £000's in expenses out on their arses - and hopefully we'll do it before these chancing pricks claim the proposed £15,000 per annum pay rise.

Oh dear. Firstly I'm not the SNP.

Second, I'm not accepting selective parts of the report - I'm pointing out that the report has been selectively reported.

Interesting that this comes out a few days after Cameron rises from his gold chair, stands in front of his golden lectern, surrounded by baubles and millionaires having a free 5 course meal at tax payers expense and tells us to prepare for a lifetime of austerity.

There's the real choice - definite austerity for the masses in the uk or possible further austerity (according to the report) in an independent Scotland.

You'll notice I'm trying to deal with facts here, not made up possibilities and definitely not resorting to the type of mad rant that you are specialising in.

To quote another Britnat - hope this helps

[Stuart Dickson]

Oh dear. Firstly I'm not the SNP.

Second, I'm not accepting selective parts of the report - I'm pointing out that the report has been selectively reported.

Interesting that this comes out a few days after Cameron rises from his gold chair, stands in front of his golden lectern, surrounded by baubles and millionaires having a free 5 course meal at tax payers expense and tells us to prepare for a lifetime of austerity.

There's the real choice - definite austerity for the masses in the uk or possible further austerity (according to the report) in an independent Scotland.

You'll notice I'm trying to deal with facts here, not made up possibilities and definitely not resorting to the type of mad rant that you are specialising in.

To quote another Britnat - hope this helps

The report states that there will be no choice regarding the further austerity for everyone in the UK. Scotland will have to accept their portion of the debt. What was quoted by the BBC was that even after all those years of austerity carried out by the Westminster Government that an Independent Scotland would have to impose FURTHER budget cuts of at least 8% or have to raise taxation - they've stipulated VAT rising to 28%. I'm not sure why anyone would dispute those figures because it's pretty damned obvious that an Independent Scotland will mean higher taxes.

I don't think cutting public spending is a bad thing at all. Cameron has admitted that the UK cannot carry on spending like it does and they are cutting budgets, services, imposing wage freezes and looking for cost efficiencies in all government departments. Those running the Yes campaign would do well to look at the credibility of trying to claim that an Independent Scotland would be better off than it is now and admitting that some of the services Scotland is used to now will have to be cut post Independence. John Swinney's bonkers argument that history is a guide to the future at a time when North Sea Oil is much harder to extract is utter nonsense and it smacks of complete whataboutery.

Edited November 19, 2013 by Stuart Dickson

[stlucifer]

John Swinney's bonkers argument that history is a guide to the future at a time when North Sea Oil is much harder to extract is utter nonsense and it smacks of complete whataboutery.

I got rid of the rest of the p!sh because,...well,... it's p!sh!

The last bit is also,...well,....P!SH!

With improvements in technology the oil is not harder to extract. The oil companies are finding more economic ways to extract the oil that previously was uneconomical to do so,.Oil prices are such that they can afford to invest in the developement of those deep sea methods.

Now. Away back to school ya dafty!

[oaksoft]

I got rid of the rest of the p!sh because,...well,... it's p!sh!

The last bit is also,...well,....P!SH!

With improvements in technology the oil is not harder to extract. The oil companies are finding more economic ways to extract the oil that previously was uneconomical to do so,.Oil prices are such that they can afford to invest in the developement of those deep sea methods.

Now. Away back to school ya dafty!

That is true.

I know of lots of research into this.

Like you say, it's because oil is lucrative enough now that new research is affordable.

ETA: It won't be long either before we're able to catalytically convert all that CO2 we don't want, back into oil again.

We won't be running out of oil any time soon.

Edited November 19, 2013 by oaksoft

[Stuart Dickson]

That is true.

I know of lots of research into this.

Like you say, it's because oil is lucrative enough now that new research is affordable.

ETA: It won't be long either before we're able to catalytically convert all that CO2 we don't want, back into oil again.

We won't be running out of oil any time soon.

So why build those f**king inefficient windmills then? You're contradicting yourself again dafty....

As for the extraction of oil - the development of technology does indeed mean we can extract oil that was previously uneconomical to get to - that doesn't mean it's cheaper. Infact it remains expensive and it's the reason why many of the oil companies are exploring new - cheaper - easier to get to oil fields in every other corner of the world.

[stlucifer]

So why build those f**king inefficient windmills then? You're contradicting yourself again dafty....

As for the extraction of oil - the development of technology does indeed mean we can extract oil that was previously uneconomical to get to - that doesn't mean it's cheaper. Infact it remains expensive and it's the reason why many of the oil companies are exploring new - cheaper - easier to get to oil fields in every other corner of the world.

Yep. Your right. (Sarcasm there BTW).

That's why The Shetlands are being heavily invested in now.

Note to self. IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE!

Edited November 19, 2013 by stlucifer

[Stuart Dickson]

Yep. Your right. (Sarcasm there BTW).

That's why The Shetlands are being heavily invested in now.

Note to self. IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE!

Oh FFS - output in the North Sea has fallen by 66% since 2000. You can deny it all you want but the facts and figures are clear.

[AberdeenBud]

http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/ifs-is-out-of-touch-with-the-reality-of-an-independent-scotland/

[AberdeenBud]

Yes, the North Sea O&G industry I'd really dying on it's arse.

http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2013/11/15/major-north-sea-oil-investment-approved/

What a terrible affliction for Scotland.

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Yes, the North Sea O&G industry I'd really dying on it's arse.

http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2013/11/15/major-north-sea-oil-investment-approved/

What a terrible affliction for Scotland.

Indeed it is AberdeenBud.

If you believe the propaganda being spouted by better together and the StuDicks out there, North Sea oil and gas is great for the UK but would be shite for Scotland on its own.

[Guest TPAFKATS]

The report states that there will be no choice regarding the further austerity for everyone in the UK. Scotland will have to accept their portion of the debt. What was quoted by the BBC was that even after all those years of austerity carried out by the Westminster Government that an Independent Scotland would have to impose FURTHER budget cuts of at least 8% or have to raise taxation - they've stipulated VAT rising to 28%. I'm not sure why anyone would dispute those figures because it's pretty damned obvious that an Independent Scotland will mean higher taxes.

I don't think cutting public spending is a bad thing at all. Cameron has admitted that the UK cannot carry on spending like it does and they are cutting budgets, services, imposing wage freezes and looking for cost efficiencies in all government departments. Those running the Yes campaign would do well to look at the credibility of trying to claim that an Independent Scotland would be better off than it is now and admitting that some of the services Scotland is used to now will have to be cut post Independence. John Swinney's bonkers argument that history is a guide to the future at a time when North Sea Oil is much harder to extract is utter nonsense and it smacks of complete whataboutery.

Your post is the real whataboutery.

The figures that you quote are not based on any fact - when will you actually admit this?

[stlucifer]

Your post is the real whataboutery.

The figures that you quote are not based on any fact - when will you actually admit this?

About the same time they find Lord Lucan giving Elvis a backy on Shergar?

[oaksoft]

So why build those f**king inefficient windmills then? You're contradicting yourself again dafty....

As for the extraction of oil - the development of technology does indeed mean we can extract oil that was previously uneconomical to get to - that doesn't mean it's cheaper. Infact it remains expensive and it's the reason why many of the oil companies are exploring new - cheaper - easier to get to oil fields in every other corner of the world.

BECAUSE - it's a non-renewable resource.

Are you really struggling to understand the difference between "won't run out any time soon" and "won't run out ever" and as you just said above, oil is getting more expensive by the day with those fabled easy to tap resources virtually exhausted.

[oaksoft]

Oh FFS - output in the North Sea has fallen by 66% since 2000. You can deny it all you want but the facts and figures are clear.

This is why people think you are trolling.

One minute you are stating we should be basking in the glory of oil and the next you're saying it's running out and is getting more expensive and more difficult to get access to.

You can't seem to make your mind up.

[AberdeenBud]

The facts and the figures are indeed clear.

There is a minimum of 1.5 trillion pound worth of oil still to be extracted from the North Sea.

Still to hear one good reason why we should let Westminster squander this as they have done with the revenues from the last 40 years.

As Larry Elliot the Guardian’s economics editor (a publication that is no friend to the Yes Campaign) wrote: “An entire era [of North Sea oil] can be summed up in three words: discovered, extracted, squandered”.

[Guest TPAFKATS]

The facts and the figures are indeed clear.

There is a minimum of 1.5 trillion pound worth of oil still to be extracted from the North Sea.

Still to hear one good reason why we should let Westminster squander this as they have done with the revenues from the last 40 years.

As Larry Elliot the Guardian’s economics editor (a publication that is no friend to the Yes Campaign) wrote: “An entire era [of North Sea oil] can be summed up in three words: discovered, extracted, squandered”.

Well, westminster needs to fund grand projects like HS2. That'll be a great benefit for Scotland, well worth remaining in the uk

[oaksoft]

Well, westminster needs to fund grand projects like HS2. That'll be a great benefit for Scotland, well worth remaining in the uk

You can add Trident and countless unnecessary wars to that as well.