The Referendum Thread

[TopCat]

And the third imbecile joins the fray to complete the set.

Yeah. Everybody, just relax.

But alternatively you could spend every daylight hour trying to make juvenile bets with people who have no respect for you whatsoever, or if all else fails stalk professional footballers on twitter.

That would make you a sad c**t of the highest order.

And there's the shameless shitebag

What a state of anger and angst the yes voters on here have got themselves into since the people of this great nation voted no.

Absolutely delightfully pleasing

[oaksoft]

df

Edited November 8, 2014 by oaksoft

[a50lennyc]

And the third imbecile joins the fray to complete the set.

That's no way to talk about oaksoft

[a50lennyc]

Give us the explanation then, genius. If not, I refer you to my comment above.

Premiums bonds!

[ALBIONSAINT]

It's always the same when the Nationalists get shown up for the dafties they are. They complain to someone in authority and want everything banned. The act of party members of an authoritarian party who would have Scotland run as a dictatorship with concentration camps and re-education establishments for those who dared to criticise any of their policies.

It was the same down in Lewes earlier this week when the Natsi's supposidly complained bitterly that one of their community groups wanted to burn a politician as their effigy just weeks after some of their idiot supporters were filming themselves burning Union Flags.

Concentration camps, I thought that was where kids with ADHD went during the summer holidays .

[Guest TPAFKATS]

I've already explained twice on this thread about paying interest back to treasury/ BoE on the debt.

[Isle Of Bute Saint]

Alex Salmond has accused David Cameron of betraying the referendum pledge of Scotland’s equal role in the UK “family of nations” in a row over representation at key EU talks.

The First Minister hit out after it emerged that fisheries secretary Richard Lochhead was told he could not attend the meeting of the Agriculture and Fisheries Council in Brussels today.

UK Environment Secretary Liz Truss will not be attending the meeting and the peer Lord de Mauley is going in her place.

Over the weekend the First Minister called for Mr Lochhead to be invited along as well, but Whitehall officials are understood to have ruled this out.

Mr Salmond said last night: “This encapsulates everything that is wrong with the UK government’s attitude to both Scotland and Europe.

“David Cameron is breaking his personal assurance that, where Scotland’s interests are at stake, Scottish ministers can play a full part in EU meetings.

“This decision makes a mockery of the Prime Minister’s last-ditch attempts in the referendum to pretend that Scotland is an equal part of this family of nations. The UK government are moving backwards not forwards when it comes to Scotland and to Europe

[a50lennyc]

I've already explained twice on this thread about paying interest back to treasury/ BoE on the debt.

paying interest "back"?

[a50lennyc]

So, no explanation then. You can't even get the name right - and don't use the old "typo" line again to try and cover up how thick you are.

You're quite clearly no good at this trolling lark, just like your previous aliases.

dear ernie

its amusing that someone going by the name slartibartfast gets so upset by someone else using an alias!

diddums

i knew you were stupid when you made your disappearing fraudulent benefit claim post and the when you didn't understand my percentage calculation

but i didn't realise that you were so dumb as to think that the main source of government debt was premium bonds

you've made yourself out to be a serious poster and made pages and pages of long winded posts...

yet you are actually totally clueless

a wikipedia expert

if only you'd checked out premium bonds on wikipedia before you exposed yourself as the fool everyone now knows you are!

signing off on this thread thicko

your desperate, long winded reply won't be read

your humiliation has been a joy

don't cry too much

ya fu cking idiot!

Edited November 11, 2014 by a50lennyc

[cambiebud]

19 days to go until the promised new powers are announced. My own guess is that Brown and Darling will get their honours from The Queen first. Tick tock

[bluto]

19 days to go until the promised new powers are announced. My own guess is that Brown and Darling will get their honours from The Queen first. Tick tock

Hey!

Don't ignore Sir Agent Salmon - he really played a blinder.

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Remember children, - ye cannae build warships in a foreign country...

[Guest TPAFKATS]

...OOPS!

http://m.scotsman.com/news/uk/mod-considers-pulling-4bn-clyde-frigate-contract-1-3602708#.VGOCKJQq9zo.twitter

[saintnextlifetime]

Remember children, - ye cannae build warships in a foreign country...

Aye , foxache , I really believed them when they told us that tae , the lyin' baisturts . . .

Hopefully , they huvnae been lying about other things tae cos that might bite them in the arse , next spring , the cants. .

[Stuart Dickson]

So let me get this right, it IS the Labour party's policy in the local branch office to do away with trident and close Faslane.

They kept that quiet during the referendum debate when they said it would cost Scotland jobs if we got independence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs8_pnEwmy8

The Labour Party has always been mixed up on the subject of nuclear weaponry. Jim Murphy said last year that he and Ed Milliband agreed that the Labour Party was not a unilateralist party. That was just three months after Ed Milliband's Chief Advisors had published a paper titled the "Roadmap to nuclear disarmament".

I don't think it's any surprise the Labour Party is in a bit of a mess just now but it's all good news as far as I'm concerned. Scots should vote for the Conservative Party in the coming General Election but if they don't then a vote for the SNP will ensure David Cameron gets a second term as PM.

[Stuart Dickson]

Cameron will get another term as UKIP-lite are going to be the biggest single party at Westminster after the general election irrespective of how anyone in Scotland votes. They might not have an outright majority but, if they haven't, they will be in another coalition with, probably, the Sellouts again and the couple of UKIP MPs.

The one party they definitely won't be in a coalition (or any other type of agreement) with, no matter what you have said previously and will no doubt say again, is the SNP. There would be more chance of a UKIP-lite/NooLayba coalition.

I think Labour will take a battering in Scotland at the GE vote-wise but whether that results in a big loss of seats is another matter entirely.

So are you claiming that Scots who vote SNP will get Labour regardless? Surely that would just be a wasted vote

[Stuart Dickson]

More proof that you don't understand the English language.

What would be the point of Scots voting for the SNP in a Westminster election though? The SNP have no chance of winning the election and they won't be in power unless there is a hung parliament and they are prepared to cut a deal with either the Conservatives or with Labour. If, as you claim, that is out of the question, then a vote for the SNP is simply a wasted vote. SNP voters would as well handing their vote to the Monster Raving Looney Party for all the good it's likely to do them.

Even at a local level the SNP has a dreadful record in Westminster of representing their constituents. When Alex Salmond was an MP he took part in just 18 votes out of 249 at Westminster and attended the parliament just 6 times in one year - claiming an eye watering £116,000 in expenses to do so. And Angus Robertson has voted in only 43.10% of the votes in the current parliament - described as well below average. It's worth noting too that SNP MP's already fail to vote on any matters that do not directly affect Scotland.

Don't get me wrong, I'll be delighted to see Cameron returned to power - especially if he can get a majority and the government can start to act like a real Conservative Government taking the UK back on track to real prosperity like they always do. And if Scots voting SNP helps to do that - well that's fine by me. But IMO Scots would be far better just voting Conservative on the ballot paper and ignoring the irrelevant party to defeat Labour.

Edited November 16, 2014 by Stuart Dickson

[Guest TPAFKATS]

This is funny...

[Stuart Dickson]

Stewart Hosie's record is dreadful too. He's only spoken in 19 debates over the last year - well below average. He only submitted 9 written questions - well below average. And his voting record 43.54% is well below average too. Indeed the only thing he's not well below average on is expenses. £192,545.41 in the last year!!!

Angus McNeill is the same. A well below average voting record and an expenses claim of £182,780.98 - this is on top of his salary of £66,396 and the salary he claims for his wife of £24,999 to "be his assistant".

Seriously, why would anyone want to vote for the SNP candidate in a UK General Election.

Edited November 17, 2014 by Stuart Dickson

[salmonbuddie]

It's worth noting too that SNP MP's already fail to vote on any matters that do not directly affect Scotland.

Seriously? Anyone?

[oaksoft]

Seriously? Anyone?

Nope not interested in engaging with him TBH.

[Stuart Dickson]

A Survation poll over the weekend found that if another referendum was held on independence tomorrow 53% would vote No. 28% of those polled didn't want another independence referendum ever again. Only 14% would want another referendum immediately. The poll also suggests that 750,000 Scots fell out with a friend or a loved one during the referendum campaign and that around a third of those believe d the damage done to their relationship was beyond repair.

[oaksoft]

Latest Survation poll suggests that those who want independence has increased by about 3%.

Excluding DKs this is just under 47%.

Clearly the appetite for independence isn't going away.

You'd normally expect the losing side to fade away.

It's highly unusual to see an increase like this in such a short space of time.

Add that to the several other polls showing the appetite for independence increasing and the SNP and Greens struggling to cope with the increase in membership and the polls showing the possible decimation of Labour in Scotland as a political force at both Westminster and Holyrood and you've got the recipe for an interesting few years coming up.

A manifesto commitment for a 2nd referendum in the 2021 Holyrood election is looking pretty likely.

[TopCat]

Didn't the polls converge on 48% support for separation in the days running up to the referendum?

They were proved wrong of course. They were doing YES a big favour, as they were doing throughout the campaign.

[Stuart Dickson]

Survation was Alex Salmonds favourite poll company for over 2 years because they used an incorrect weighting that favoured the Yes Campaign. I've no idea if they are still using the same weighting in this poll or not but no matter how you cut the poll up - there's a large number of people who never want another independence referendum. There's also clear evidence from the poll that a lot of Scots will not let the SNP away with backtracking over their pre referendum pledge that this was going to be a once in a generation occurrence. And it's also perfectly clear that it's still the case that the majority of Scots do NOT want independence.

It really is time the Yes Campaign realised they lost and let it go. The SNP would do themselves a great deal more in terms of respect if they would now focus on working within the infrastructure the Scottish public voted for and started to govern for the good of the country instead of trying to rip it apart.