salmonbuddie Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) Bugger, missed the mortgage one. That's it I've turned. Defo voting Green next time, they don't do mortgages.... Edited March 2, 2014 by salmonbuddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Since wee Alex has been making a complete ass of the whole thing ,the Yes mob have decided too partially distance themselves from him or did you not see that plainly in the picture ? My perception was that Scottish media, UK media, better together and a few fandans on here all like to portray this referendum as a one man ego trip. I find this insulting to the million plus who will vote for Independence in September. Obviously those behind the poster think likewise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) NO. Absolutely No.Is the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Edited March 2, 2014 by salmonbuddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 self.jpg I like this guy Seriously? I'd have thought the fact that Will Self supports it would be reason enough to turn even the most ardent Nat into a no voter. In all his time commenting on politics I can't remember him ever backing a winner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 I've spent my whole life filling out forms stating my nationality was Scottish and not British bit when it comes to the vote in September I'm pretty sure I'll be voting Naw. I do the same actually but I'm going to stop it. Last thing I want is to renounce my UK citizenship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 My perception was that Scottish media, UK media, better together and a few fandans on here all like to portray this referendum as a one man ego trip. I find this insulting to the million plus who will vote for Independence in September. Obviously those behind t he poster think likewise. The Natsis started that one though. They tried to make the referendum about a rejection of David Cameron, Tory Toffs, and the bedroom tax - oh and youre still doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickMcD Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 My perception was that Scottish media, UK media, better together and a few fandans on here all like to portray this referendum as a one man ego trip. I find this insulting to the million plus who will vote for Independence in September. Obviously those behind the poster think likewise. Get down off your high horse and stop being pretentious. You seem to have the view that if you repeat something often enough more people will believe you. Plenty Scots will vote yes and will have given it a lot of serious consideration, reached their decision and genuinely believe Scotland will be better off. Who is criticising them? We are a democracy. On the other hand, you have the likes of Oaky who has stated that he would vote yes even if Scotland was to be worse off. A no brainer, but we're talking Oaky. I was taken to task on this forum for daring to suggest that there is a significant percentage of the Scottish population that will vote yes 'to get it up the English'. I stand by that. Some with that attitude post on here. That type of voter has always been around in Scotland and anyone with half a brain will admit that to be the case. You may disagree all you want but you will never persuade me that it is not so and I think even some of the yes voters will acknowledge that. I think there is some semantics involved in saying that this is not a vote for the SNP. It's not in the sense that in the short term it won't change the government but independence for Scotland is the raison d'etre for the SNP. Without it, there would not be this referendum. A yes vote will be the death knell of the SNP. In the unlikely event that they get their yes I don't doubt they will reform and exist but they will slowly lose significance as Scotland shifts to the left as Labour regains its traditional stranglehold on Scotland. With no Conservative counter balance at Westminster, that is inevitable. Conversely the Conservatives initially at least will dominate the scene in England for some time. Losing Scotland's 59 seats, forty odd of which are Labour, would ensure that. Miliband is probably unelectable and the Lib Dems have had their fifteen minutes of fame. I though davidg summed it up quite well. The Union has served us well for 307 years. It's not perfect but it works quite well. Why the rush into such a major, massive really, decision? The answer might well be that Salmond knows the SNP just could be having its fifteen minutes of fame. Labour ,possibly under some new name, will return to rule the roost in Scotland as surely as night follows day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Get down off your high horse and stop being pretentious. You seem to have the view that if you repeat something often enough more people will believe you. Plenty Scots will vote yes and will have given it a lot of serious consideration, reached their decision and genuinely believe Scotland will be better off. Who is criticising them? We are a democracy. On the other hand, you have the likes of Oaky who has stated that he would vote yes even if Scotland was to be worse off. A no brainer, but we're talking Oaky. I was taken to task on this forum for daring to suggest that there is a significant percentage of the Scottish population that will vote yes 'to get it up the English'. I stand by that. Some with that attitude post on here. That type of voter has always been around in Scotland and anyone with half a brain will admit that to be the case. You may disagree all you want but you will never persuade me that it is not so and I think even some of the yes voters will acknowledge that. I think there is some semantics involved in saying that this is not a vote for the SNP. It's not in the sense that in the short term it won't change the government but independence for Scotland is the raison d'etre for the SNP. Without it, there would not be this referendum. A yes vote will be the death knell of the SNP. In the unlikely event that they get their yes I don't doubt they will reform and exist but they will slowly lose significance as Scotland shifts to the left as Labour regains its traditional stranglehold on Scotland. With no Conservative counter balance at Westminster, that is inevitable. Conversely the Conservatives initially at least will dominate the scene in England for some time. Losing Scotland's 59 seats, forty odd of which are Labour, would ensure that. Miliband is probably unelectable and the Lib Dems have had their fifteen minutes of fame. I though davidg summed it up quite well. The Union has served us well for 307 years. It's not perfect but it works quite well. Why the rush into such a major, massive really, decision? The answer might well be that Salmond knows the SNP just could be having its fifteen minutes of fame. Labour ,possibly under some new name, will return to rule the roost in Scotland as surely as night follows day. I'm not being pretentious or on my high horse, but thanksffor telling me what I think. I was pointing out why the Yes campaign have decided on this poster- if it is even genuine. The rest of your post is just an ill informed rant where you state opinions that are dressed up as fact. Including a dig at Salmond (kinda proving the point I was making), Scottish voters and also the myth that labour need Scottish mp's for a majority in Westminster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Does that not suggest that they show a preference for the party that in terms of their policy on economics has it right rather than simply leaning to the left or the right? The FT have always had journalists who know their subject. My view has always been that I want whatever government is in power to get it right for the good of the people and the country as a whole. I've never been all that worried about their leaning one way or the other until they f**ck up which is quite often. The United Kingdom with its faults works albeit it is imperfect. I've seen no conclusive evidence that an indepedent Scotland could do better. Why take the risk? Because you don't like England? Let's hear the denials. Yeah. That's the real reason. Nothing to do with countless years of London centric policies implemented by successive governments. They've treated Scotland like shit and IMO we can do better on our own. You should concentrate on your own thoughts, rather than using your limited knowledge to decide why others make decisions. Also, on the subject of the FT; a poll by the paper showed that more readers voted tory than labour in the last election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickMcD Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 I'm not being pretentious or on my high horse, but thanksffor telling me what I think. I was pointing out why the Yes campaign have decided on this poster- if it is even genuine. The rest of your post is just an ill informed rant where you state opinions that are dressed up as fact. Including a dig at Salmond (kinda proving the point I was making), Scottish voters and also the myth that labour need Scottish mp's for a majority in Westminster. Where did I tell you what you think? Where did I say Labour needed Scottish MP's to get a majority? Didn't know there was a myth. Forty odd less Labour MP's at Westminster Isn't an assist to the Tories? Come on! I did say short term. I don't like the conceited, smug, smirking ,puffed up Alex Salmond and I'm quite happy to have a dig at him any time I'm fed up. I've said it often enough on here but fail to see how that admission proves any point you have made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Where did I tell you what you think? You said "Get down off your high horse and stop being pretentious. You seem to have the view..." Where did I say Labour needed Scottish MP's to get a majority? Didn't know there was a myth. Forty odd less Labour MP's at Westminster Isn't an assist to the Tories? Come on! I did say short term. You've kinda answered your own question? The myth however is that labour's Scottish MP's are required for labour to gain power in Westminster, I'm sure its only been the case twice over the last 60 odd years since Scotland became labour dominated as opposed to tory. I think bluto might have the facts and figures? I don't like the conceited, smug, smirking ,puffed up Alex Salmond and I'm quite happy to have a dig at him any time I'm fed up. I've said it often enough on here but fail to see how that admission proves any point you have made. Lots of people dont like Salmond, dont see what your point is? My point was that its not about salmond, despite how the media portray it. It's more important than any individual and its frankly insulting that voters are described as following an individual's ego trip. Mind you, Johann did describe Scottish voters along the lines of "not being genetically engineered for political decision making" last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTD7DVjPym1oqtBrau2MELF39RBAGA5lvGiSWnPi9C1XJFi9ZOeSQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQNQ30DRo5mEEFGosn04924HlymwrK6Tfv7OSZQRk-yuded-t9W That's me sorted the currency argument ,next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQNQ30DRo5mEEFGosn04924HlymwrK6Tfv7OSZQRk-yuded-t9W That's me sorted the currency argument ,next. That is actually pretty funny. Not as funny as Rick making an arse of himself telling others what to think and then denying it one post later but funny all the same. Edited March 2, 2014 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Quickly off the top of my head Alex Salmond SNP Uncertanty with the pound Mortgate rates It's not broke, what's to fix? Divide can't be good We already make a lot of major decisions at the Scottish Parliment on education, health and law. Import tax on Peroni? To be fair David I think the above is the problem for the Yes campaign. Salmond and the SNP will never be forgiven for ending Labour rule up here and placing a generation of Labour. politicians (local and national) into different careers when they had every expectation of spending a long career with their noses in the trough whilst our country went down the pan. It's gone to the extent that many people simply refuse to seperate Independence from either the SNP or Salmond. Needless to say I strongly disgaree with you on all counts but it's your vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desperately Seeking Susans Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) The Natsis started that one though. They tried to make the referendum about a rejection of David Cameron, Tory Toffs, and the bedroom tax - oh and youre still doing it. Well SD you've given us 3 very good examples as why we should vote, 'yes'. I've been a Labour supporter for many a year but I'm voting 'yes'. Its not all about the SNP. I'd bet that within the heart of hearts of many Labour politicians would like to see an independent Scotland, for the chances are, that Labour would win the general election which would immediately follow independence. Edited March 2, 2014 by Desperately Seeking Susans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 That is actually pretty funny. Not as funny as Rick making an arse of himself telling others what to think and then denying it one post later but funny all the same. Thanks very much , just doing my bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groucho Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/forget-the-dam-busters-iscotland-would-be-oil-rich-and-creditworthy-even-without-.23565915 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/forget-the-dam-busters-iscotland-would-be-oil-rich-and-creditworthy-even-without-.23565915 I did like the way Lamont took a full-on bitch slapping from the strongly pro-Independence Proclaimers for twisting the lines of their famous song. If only she had been clever enough to spend 5 minutes reading into the background of the boys she'd have known they've written pro-independence songs and would definitely have retaliated. Between getting slapped down by the Proclaimers and being slapped down twice by the Presiding Officer of the Scottish Parliament, it's been a helluva bad week for the whistling granny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groucho Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Yes she's had a bad week .She's an embarrassment to the whole Labour movement. I was quite surprised to hear her call herself a Socialist during her debate with Sturgeon not heard the S word being used by a Labour MP or MSP since New Labour came to be . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintargyll Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Just a thought...hypotheticaly what if we do vote for going it alone,then,at the next election there will be no tory votes because the tories would be wasting a vote so Scotland would be tory-free but who would they vote for? lib-dems?...maybe labour?......dont think so snp....maybe what if we vote to go it alone then labour win the next election in Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Nipper Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Just a thought...hypotheticaly what if we do vote for going it alone,then,at the next election there will be no tory votes because the tories would be wasting a vote so Scotland would be tory-free but who would they vote for? lib-dems?...maybe labour?......dont think so snp....maybe what if we vote to go it alone then labour win the next election in Scotland That would IMO be democracy in action.................. no, yes . The Scottish Republic, would surely have a mandate to govern accordingly ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) After all the abuse David Bowie got last week good old Sean Connery has emerged from his Bermudan bolt hole to tell us that we need to vote independence. Well that's me convinced..... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/scottish-politics/10670875/Scottish-independence-is-opportunity-not-to-be-missed-says-Sean-Connery.html Why does the No campaign do that though? If they think it's distasteful for David Bowie to promote keeping Britain together why the f**k would you pull out your own geriatric ex pat - and never coming home - exile? Edited March 2, 2014 by Stuart Dickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddiecat Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Can someone else point out the twats mistake to him. i'm getting fed up shown the dumbass up. gladly, mainly because he is on ignore for me, the NO campaign will be delighted that connery is backing them in dickheads mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Can someone else point out the twats mistake to him. i'm getting fed up shown the dumbass up. And that's after he's edited it. Must've been in full on rant Nazi mode. The semi must've distracted him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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