The Jim Goodwin Thread

[Lanarkshire_Bud 658]

Absolute and/or irrational hatred, very strong words don't you think,

Is that the same feelings fans have got or had for the likes of Cheesy, Mclean, Teale or Potter to

name but a few, or are they feelings exclusively reserved for big Jim..

As I've said he's not every fans cup of tea, maybe they just don't think he's good enough or see him

as a liability, but using words like that tells me you think it's more sinister and personal than fans saying

they just don't like him as a player..

FWIW, he's my top player at the club and should be the first name on the teamsheet every week, but if

there's any fans out there sitting in the west stand who didn't think at the time it was a clumsy and reckless

tackle that could have resulted in a red card please step forward....

Jim could win us the Scottish Cup by firing the ball out of his arse and an element of fans will got tore into him for absolutely no reason.

We've had ridiculous comments on here baout how he shouldn't be making tackles, Saturday was his own fault, he was stupid, despite TV evidence shgowing that it would have been harsh to call it a foul let alone a red card.

Like I said, some have an absolute irrational hatred of Goodwin and I stand by that.

[Miss Saint 984]

I sit in the west stand and didn't see it well enough to truly comment at the time, however the reaction of the fans closest to it in the main stand and the lack of outrage by hibs players told me what I needed to know and was proved right. If it was Jim that had elbowed and drawn blood from a hibs player he would have been red carded and prob fookin arrested.

[Soctty 4,252]

Definitely wasn't a red card.

But I just don't understand why Jim Goodwin would dive into a challenge in that area of the pitch when the opponent was already on the ground. It was idiotic and put his team under a lot of pressure for the remaining hour of the game. The worst bit about it was I thought Goodwin was playing well before it happened.

As far as an appeal goes, it would be justified but I would just forget about it. Last thing we need would be Goodwin playing under the pressure of a magnifying glass again. And in a ground where the last time he played he blatantly stopped a shot with his hand. Recipe for disaster.

Newton's a wee bit lightweight in there but he would be my choice.

Why, after conceding it was never a red card, do you feel it is right to then proceed to have a go at Goodwin for something that clearly wasn't a red card?

I struggle to understand the logic of certain posts. Yours is one of them.

[Dibbles old paperboy 5,046]

As well as the injustice of wrongly being reduced to 10 men for 65 minutes of the game, we are facing the injustice of wrongly having Goodwin suspended for half of the remaining critical games.

The referee wasn't that close to the incident. He glances at Thomson doing the dying swan act and flashes the red card with no discussion / consultation with the linesman who was nearer.

The reactions of those nearby tell you everything. Hibs are happy they have a free kick for McLean's foul - end of story. The main stand crowd are outraged at the decision. Goodwin is seen telling the 4th official "I didn't touch him".

[Miss Saint 984]

As well as the injustice of wrongly being reduced to 10 men for 65 minutes of the game, we are facing the injustice of wrongly having Goodwin suspended for half of the remaining critical games.

The referee wasn't that close to the incident. He glances at Thomson doing the dying swan act and flashes the red card with no discussion / consultation with the linesman who was nearer.

The reactions of those nearby tell you everything. Hibs are happy they have a free kick for McLean's foul - end of story. The main stand crowd are outraged at the decision. Goodwin is seen telling the 4th official "I didn't touch him".

this post sums it up perfectly!

[RussellV1 383]

On twitter that we've appealed & he's free to play v thistle as it won't be heard till next week

[Dibbles old paperboy 5,046]

The second injustice is that between the elbow to McGowan's face, feigning injury to get an opponent sent off, and not receiving a 2nd yellow later in the game, Hibs really should be without Kevin Thomson for a few games of their run and the media seem quite happy to cover all that side of it up.

[Sergie's no1 fan 856]

As well as the injustice of wrongly being reduced to 10 men for 65 minutes of the game, we are facing the injustice of wrongly having Goodwin suspended for half of the remaining critical games.

The referee wasn't that close to the incident. He glances at Thomson doing the dying swan act and flashes the red card with no discussion / consultation with the linesman who was nearer.

The reactions of those nearby tell you everything. Hibs are happy they have a free kick for McLean's foul - end of story. The main stand crowd are outraged at the decision. Goodwin is seen telling the 4th official "I didn't touch him".

Also the play off battle might come down to goal difference. Who knows how many we could have scored with 11 men still on the park.

I can see why people in the West stand thought it was a bad tackle, no chance of getting a proper view of it from there. All you seen was Goodwin dive in and Thomson rolling about like a bitch. It also takes a couple of different camera angles to clear it up. Fact is Thomson made a meal of it and the ref bought it.

If the club do appeal it, it will come down to whether or not there Jim went in too hard regardless if he touched the man or not. I'd be very surprised if this is over turned but obviously hoping it is.

Edited to add the club are appealing it. Really hope it goes in our favour.

Edited April 21, 2014 by Sergie's no1 fan

[FTOF 11,532]

The referee wasn't that close to the incident. He glances at Thomson doing the dying swan act and flashes the red card with no discussion / consultation with the linesman who was nearer.

TBH, if he had consulted that incompetent clown,he'd probably have given Goodwin two red cards.

[Gosport Buddie 453]

TBH, if he had consulted that incompetent clown,he'd probably have given Goodwin two red cards.

The linesman doesn't even flag for a foul !!!!!

[Big Yards 1,011]

If the ref had given the red based on intent I could see his point. Looked like Jim was thinking about doing him after the McGowan elbow incident then thought twice half way through sliding in. Why else would you tackle like that!

Having said that the ref gave it for serious foul play which is a joke since he missed him!

[pod 7,588]

If the ref had given the red based on intent I could see his point. Looked like Jim was thinking about doing him after the McGowan elbow incident then thought twice half way through sliding in. Why else would you tackle like that!

Having said that the ref gave it for serious foul play which is a joke since he missed him!

Think McGowan can fight his own battles. You only have to ask the Polis.

[Bud the Baker 8,969]

I said earlier on in the thread that JG would have to be more circumspect as long as he was Public Enemy No. 1.

Another player would likely not have got a red for that challenge but if our grounds for appeal are the degree of contact made and Thomson making a meal of it I don't see us being successful - hope I'm wrong as we need to be able to field our strongest team in the remaining four matches.

[Seaside Nipper 2,550]

As well as the injustice of wrongly being reduced to 10 men for 65 minutes of the game, we are facing the injustice of wrongly having Goodwin suspended for half of the remaining critical games.

The referee wasn't that close to the incident. He glances at Thomson doing the dying swan act and flashes the red card with no discussion / consultation with the linesman who was nearer.

The reactions of those nearby tell you everything. Hibs are happy they have a free kick for McLean's foul - end of story. The main stand crowd are outraged at the decision. Goodwin is seen telling the 4th official "I didn't touch him".

Interesting, if not helpful, but some media sources comment that Clancy has rarely impressed in any of his games, in other words, he's a shit ref, but IMO you know what, the brotherhood will stand by Clancy and let St Mirren and bad boy Goodwin suffer and uphold his red card.

I am prepared to be pleasantly surprised though, imagine our appeal is successful, wow, as pleasing as our last two results, so who knows.

[foxbar_bud 1,716]

The second injustice is that between the elbow to McGowan's face, feigning injury to get an opponent sent off, and not receiving a 2nd yellow later in the game, Hibs really should be without Kevin Thomson for a few games of their run and the media seem quite happy to cover all that side of it up.

Based on his, and Tudor-Jones performances, i want Thomson to play every game for hibs in the next few weeks.

[ds10 513]

Why, after conceding it was never a red card, do you feel it is right to then proceed to have a go at Goodwin for something that clearly wasn't a red card?

I struggle to understand the logic of certain posts. Yours is one of them.

Jim has enough experience that he should know better.

It was a stupid challenge, the player was the ground midway inside his own half. With the team already 2 goals up, even if he won the ball cleanly there was little to be gained. Jim was simply asking for trouble, which he duly got.

His stupidity put his team under pressure for an hour of the game in which we were cruising. One more goal and we would have finished Saturday a place higher up the league.....

[faraway saint 31,735]

Jim has enough experience that he should know better.

It was a stupid challenge, the player was the ground midway inside his own half. With the team already 2 goals up, even if he won the ball cleanly there was little to be gained. Jim was simply asking for trouble, which he duly got.

His stupidity put his team under pressure for an hour of the game in which we were cruising. One more goal and we would have finished Saturday a place higher up the league.....

Edited, see #774.

Edited April 22, 2014 by faraway saint

[ds10 513]

Great post, although so full of nonsense its hard to see where to start other than you obviously have run out of negative posts about Danny Lennon so Goodwin is next on the list.

You have to laugh.

Good incisive and well thought through reply.

But I think you may have me confused with someone else.....

I'm glad it made you smile though!

[Kendo 7,162]

Have we ever appealed before and won? I don't think that this will be overturned. They always back the referee when ever possible. There is enough doubt for this appeal to be turned down.

[WirralSaint 811]

Why has he gone in like that......there was intent...shouldn't be making rash challenges...blahh blahh blahhh. Goodwin goes to leather the ball up or out the park and Thomson stretches to get a toe to it meaning he takes a big fresh air whiff as he passes Thomson.

He wasn't even planning on being near Thomson he's playing the ball and it's clear from every single frame that's where his eyes are focussed...back foot catches up on Thomson as he passes in front and then we have the shameful rolling around.
It can't be clearer.

[Big Yards 1,011]

Why has he gone in like that......there was intent...shouldn't be making rash challenges...blahh blahh blahhh. Goodwin goes to leather the ball up or out the park and Thomson stretches to get a toe to it meaning he takes a big fresh air whiff as he passes Thomson.

He wasn't even planning on being near Thomson he's playing the ball and it's clear from every single frame that's where his eyes are focussed...back foot catches up on Thomson as he passes in front and then we have the shameful rolling around.

It can't be clearer.

Whys Goodwin trying to leather the ball anywhere? We were 2-0 and cruising and the incident happened in the least threatening area of the pitch. Stupidity from a player already in the limelight for his disciplinary issues

[Lanarkshire_Bud 658]

The very definition of a boo bot has been well displayed in this thread. Well done.

[Lanarkshire_Bud 658]

[Edinbuddie 1,324]

That's where I have a problem....sometimes an elbow is missed or a clear handball missed as the referee/assistant simply doesn't have the right angle and players are in between. Bad luck if it goes against you and we grumble about positioning but accept you can't see everything.

But yes that's what we're always told ...refs can only give a penalty if they actually see the handball incident..are sure, otherwise guessing can bring a mistake. Same with holds and contact in the box.

Here we have a straight red card given very early in a vital game which could have huge implications which left Saints to play an hour of that game against a main rival and deprives them of their captain for possibly 3 further games...although surely sense will prevail.

....and yet that decision is something the referee clearly did not see and couldn't possibly be 100% sure because as the footage shows it didn't happen ! He made a really poor guess at what he thought had happened and got caught out being wrong this time.

Jeez...What next for Goodwin, order him off in the tunnel before leading the team out because he has a bit of a wild look in his eye.

Kevin Clancy was also the ref up at Inverness on the first day of the season when he guessed that Van Zanten had handled the ball, at point blank range, on the ref's blindside as he slid out to block a shot.

Is this a new trait that they look for in 'up and coming' refs, the ability to guess what has happened?

[bud77 874]

Have we ever appealed before and won? I don't think that this will be overturned. They always back the referee when ever possible. There is enough doubt for this appeal to be turned down.

Yes we have. A few years ago John Sutton (I think) was sent off and the ref's report said it was something like elbowing the opposition player - tv pictures clearly showed there was no elbow and even though Sutton had fouled their player the ref had got it wrong in his match report and the red card was rescinded.

It's the same as this, Jim was sent off for 'serious foul play and a two footed lunge' which tv pictures clearly show was not the case - the ref got it wrong.