kilwinningbuddie Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 Hi Looking for some help Does anyone know who st mirren's opponents were in the paisley charity cup in 1918 -19 The reason I ask is this medal for sale on Ebay Item no 111236722908 Cheers Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud77 Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 From the official club site Paisley Charity Cup The Paisley Charity Cup was first competed for in 1882-83, when St.Mirren reached the final only to lose 0-6 to Paisley Athletic.It was not until 1887 that Saints first got their name on the trophy, when they defeated Thornliebank 5-1 at Westmarch on the 28th May. The victorious team was:- Cameron, Maxwell, McHardie, Hutchison, Cheyne, Graham, Harper, Fairlie, Morton, Bain, Brown. Fairlie and Morton both scored two goals. Saints had several more successes during the following years; one of the most pleasing was a 10-0 thrashing of rivals Abercorn in 1894. By the turn of the century, St.Mirren and Abercorn were the only senior clubs remaining in the town, so Arthurlie and Johnstone were invited to compete in the competition. With the demise of Abercorn in 1920, it was decided that the competition should be played as a one off match between Saints and invited opposition. Over the years teams such as Third Lanark, Clyde, Partick Thistle, Morton, Kilmarnock and East Fife along with English teams like Manchester City, Leicester City, Barnsley and Preston North End have provided the opposition. Saints have won the trophy outright on 39 occasions and have drawn on a further six. The final year of competition was in 1967 and the trophy now resides in the Love Street Boardroom. St.Mirren’s winning seasons. Season Opposition Venue Score Scorers 28/05/1887 Thornliebank Westmarch 5-1 Morton2 Fairlie2 1889-90 Abercorn Underwood Park 5-4 ? 1890-91 Dykebar ? 6-0 ? 1892-93 Arthurlie ? 4-1 ? 1893-94 Abercorn Westmarch 10-0 Mullen3 25/05/1896 Port Glasgow Ath Love Street 2-0 ? 1906-07 Abercorn Love Street 4-1 ? 1909-10+ Arthurlie ? 2-0 ? 1910-11+ St.Mirren 2nd Five ? 1-0 ? 1911-12 Johnstone Love Street 1-0 ? 1913-14 ? ? ? ? 1915-16 ? ? ? ? 1916-17 ? ? ? ? 1917-18 Abercorn Love Street 3-0 Logan3 1918-19 ? ? ? ? 15/05/1920 Abercorn Love Street 2-0 ? 1920-21 ? ? ? ? 1921-22 ? ? ? ? 1922-23 ? ? ? ? 1923-24 ? ? ? ? 1924-25 ? ? ? ? 1925-26 ? ? ? ? 1926-27 Queens Park Hampden 5-0 ? 13/05/1928 Third Lanark Love Street 4-1 Thomson,Walker,Stevenson Lawson 1928-29 Third Lanark Love Street 6-1 ? 1930-31 ? ? ? ? 1931-32 East Stirlingshire Love Street 2-1 ? 1934-35 ? ? ? ? 1937-38 Partick Thistle* ? ? ? 28/05/1945 Clyde Love Street 2-0 ? 17/05/1947 Airdrie Love Street 7-1 Reid3 Deakin2 Milne Stenhouse 08/05/1948 East Fife Love Street 2-1 Burrell2 07/05/1949 Queens Park Love Street 3-1 Crowe, Reid, Blyth 05/05/1951 Carlisle Love Street 5-2 Stewart2 Telfer Johnstone Rice 10/05/1952 Grimsby Town Love Street 4-3 Gemmell Williamson Cunningham OG 15/05/1954 Kilmarnock Love Street 4-0 Gemmell2 McGrory McGugan 07/05/1955 Kilmarnock* Love Street 1-1 Archibald 11/05/1957 Falkirk Love Street 2-0 Bryceland Devine 10/05/1958 Brentford Love Street 4-1 Bryceland Gemmell Miller Wilson 01/08/1959 Manchester City Love Street 3-0 Rodger2 Bryceland 05/08/1961 Leicester City Love Street 3-1 Kerrigan Clunie Bryceland 04/08/1962 Norwich City* Love Street 1-1 McLean 01/08/1964 Norwich City* Love Street 0-0 ? 05/08/1966 Ipswich Town* Love Street 3-3 Treacey2 Pinkerton 07/08/1967 Preston North End* Love Street 1-1 Brodie + -Tournament played as a five a-side competition * - Trophy shared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kilwinningbuddie Posted December 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 Rob, I just had a response from a guy called David at St Mirren history, below is his reply. Just to let you know I have halved the buy it now price as there is not a mystery connection to the medal now, offers will be considered around £400 as it is still a good medal because of James Walls' connection to both clubs. HI, I believe that the medal was indeed presented to James 'Fister' Walls as you say, however it was as a winner he gained it. At the time he was a St Mirren player having joined from Bathgate in 1916. The match in question was between Saints and Abercorn and Saints won 3-0 with James Logan netting all three goals. Unfortunately I do not have dates or any further info about the match. Walls left Saints for Ibrox at the end of that season That is a great piece of memorabilia. Would you have any objection to me using the images on the website in the Charity cup section. I hope this helps your search. David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 Rob, I just had a response from a guy called David at St Mirren history, below is his reply. Just to let you know I have halved the buy it now price as there is not a mystery connection to the medal now, offers will be considered around £400 as it is still a good medal because of James Walls' connection to both clubs. HI, I believe that the medal was indeed presented to James 'Fister' Walls as you say, however it was as a winner he gained it. At the time he was a St Mirren player having joined from Bathgate in 1916. The match in question was between Saints and Abercorn and Saints won 3-0 with James Logan netting all three goals. Unfortunately I do not have dates or any further info about the match. Walls left Saints for Ibrox at the end of that season That is a great piece of memorabilia. Would you have any objection to me using the images on the website in the Charity cup section. I hope this helps your search. David. I'm kind of intrigued as to how he got the nickname 'fister'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 From the official club site Paisley Charity Cup The Paisley Charity Cup was first competed for in 1882-83, when St.Mirren reached the final only to lose 0-6 to Paisley Athletic.It was not until 1887 that Saints first got their name on the trophy, when they defeated Thornliebank 5-1 at Westmarch on the 28th May. The victorious team was:-Cameron, Maxwell, McHardie, Hutchison, Cheyne, Graham, Harper, Fairlie, Morton, Bain, Brown. Fairlie and Morton both scored two goals. Saints had several more successes during the following years; one of the most pleasing was a 10-0 thrashing of rivals Abercorn in 1894. By the turn of the century, St.Mirren and Abercorn were the only senior clubs remaining in the town, so Arthurlie and Johnstone were invited to compete in the competition. With the demise of Abercorn in 1920, it was decided that the competition should be played as a one off match between Saints and invited opposition. Over the years teams such as Third Lanark, Clyde, Partick Thistle, Morton, Kilmarnock and East Fife along with English teams like Manchester City, Leicester City, Barnsley and Preston North End have provided the opposition. Saints have won the trophy outright on 39 occasions and have drawn on a further six.The final year of competition was in 1967 and the trophy now resides in the Love Street Boardroom. St.Mirren’s winning seasons. Season Opposition Venue Score Scorers 28/05/1887 Thornliebank Westmarch 5-1 Morton2 Fairlie2 1889-90 Abercorn Underwood Park 5-4 ? 1890-91 Dykebar ? 6-0 ? 1892-93 Arthurlie ? 4-1 ? 1893-94 Abercorn Westmarch 10-0 Mullen3 25/05/1896 Port Glasgow Ath Love Street 2-0 ? 1906-07 Abercorn Love Street 4-1 ? 1909-10+ Arthurlie ? 2-0 ? 1910-11+ St.Mirren 2nd Five ? 1-0 ? 1911-12 Johnstone Love Street 1-0 ? 1913-14 ? ? ? ? 1915-16 ? ? ? ? 1916-17 ? ? ? ? 1917-18 Abercorn Love Street 3-0 Logan3 1918-19 ? ? ? ? 15/05/1920 Abercorn Love Street 2-0 ? 1920-21 ? ? ? ? 1921-22 ? ? ? ? 1922-23 ? ? ? ? 1923-24 ? ? ? ? 1924-25 ? ? ? ? 1925-26 ? ? ? ? 1926-27 Queens Park Hampden 5-0 ? 13/05/1928 Third Lanark Love Street 4-1 Thomson,Walker,Stevenson Lawson 1928-29 Third Lanark Love Street 6-1 ? 1930-31 ? ? ? ? 1931-32 East Stirlingshire Love Street 2-1 ? 1934-35 ? ? ? ? 1937-38 Partick Thistle* ? ? ? 28/05/1945 Clyde Love Street 2-0 ? 17/05/1947 Airdrie Love Street 7-1 Reid3 Deakin2 Milne Stenhouse 08/05/1948 East Fife Love Street 2-1 Burrell2 07/05/1949 Queens Park Love Street 3-1 Crowe, Reid, Blyth 05/05/1951 Carlisle Love Street 5-2 Stewart2 Telfer Johnstone Rice 10/05/1952 Grimsby Town Love Street 4-3 Gemmell Williamson Cunningham OG 15/05/1954 Kilmarnock Love Street 4-0 Gemmell2 McGrory McGugan 07/05/1955 Kilmarnock* Love Street 1-1 Archibald 11/05/1957 Falkirk Love Street 2-0 Bryceland Devine 10/05/1958 Brentford Love Street 4-1 Bryceland Gemmell Miller Wilson 01/08/1959 Manchester City Love Street 3-0 Rodger2 Bryceland 05/08/1961 Leicester City Love Street 3-1 Kerrigan Clunie Bryceland 04/08/1962 Norwich City* Love Street 1-1 McLean 01/08/1964 Norwich City* Love Street 0-0 ? 05/08/1966 Ipswich Town* Love Street 3-3 Treacey2 Pinkerton 07/08/1967 Preston North End* Love Street 1-1 Brodie + -Tournament played as a five a-side competition * - Trophy shared. My grandfather was a professional footballer back in them there days. He played 5 a side at international level or so I was told. I'm told in them days they played with 5 players on a full size pitch. and that the games attracted crowds of similar size to 11 a side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside saint Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Div is uploading the Bluray of the final later today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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