Drew Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Much as I would never condone such behaviour, any man who walks about with a ripped coupon such as that in the photograph at the top of this news story ain't helping himself.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26002727 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Saint Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 nae excuse for that kind of crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 nae excuse for that kind of crap Agreed. He ought to smile once in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Saint Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 would you smile if you were him? I really don't bother my backside with him but he doesn't help himself at times, there is however no need for some of the crap he gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 would you smile if you were him? I really don't bother my backside with him but he doesn't help himself at times, there is however no need for some of the crap he gets. Aye, that much is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepaisleypanda Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 if what is quoted is true, then that is a disgrace! However!!!! : Invite him to sit in the away end at Celtic Park - THEN criticise stewarding!!!! "He said: "I'm absolutely raging about the treatment of Neil, about the stewarding and the fans' behaviour." Welcome to the supporters of the SPL Neil!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaldyOzBud Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 It's true that there is no excuse for that behaviour, but this also applies to Lennon himself, his antics at St Mirren park a couple of seasons ago ( racing off the bench and turning to the saints fans in the main stand, jumping up and down and giving us the two fingered salute, after the Bhigots scored in the 93rd minute ) was equally unacceptable. The man is a walking apology for boorish behaviour, and brings it on himself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickMcD Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Much as I would never condone such behaviour, any man who walks about with a ripped coupon such as that in the photograph at the top of this news story ain't helping himself.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26002727 Personally I think that's one of his better photos! He shouldn't have to take the crap he gets but if ever a guy brought it on himself, it's Lennon. I know Celtic fans over here who would never say a bad word about their team but admit privately that Lennon can be a runt. I think that's what they said anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kombi Buddie Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) I'd have thought his reaction would be to question those throwing the coins "think you're a hard man, yer f**king fannies" instead of greetin about those bad fans. He should however, be able to attend any match he wishes & not be subject to abuse. I'm not confident he has the intellect to realise, his own behaviour contributes to others reaction to him. Here's hoping if he ever turns up at St Mirren Park, he does so without as much as a second glance. I reckon no reaction would bother him more. Edited February 2, 2014 by Kombi Buddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 It's true that there is no excuse for that behaviour, but this also applies to Lennon himself, his antics at St Mirren park a couple of seasons ago ( racing off the bench and turning to the saints fans in the main stand, jumping up and down and giving us the two fingered salute, after the Bhigots scored in the 93rd minute ) was equally unacceptable. The man is a walking apology for boorish behaviour, and brings it on himself! You noticeably missed out the bit where he'd suffered 92 minutes of abuse from our fans first. Either way, I don't know how anyone can equate a goal celebration with spitting and coin throwing but at least you're not saying he brought it on himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Zippy Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I'm no fan of Lennon, but the abuse he took yesterday crossed a line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisleysaint Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Couldn't care less about NL and what happened to him, his team or anything associated with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Did Josef Venglos, Tony Mowbray, Wim Jansen, Martin O'Neill or any number of other Celtic managers you care to mention ever suffer anything even remotely close to what Neil Lennon does? Answer is no, why is that? I'm not condoning it, just questioning why it does happen to this particular manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotstounSaint Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 The guy is a fanny of the highest order, I found this story quite amusing to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabella Duke Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Did Josef Venglos, Tony Mowbray, Wim Jansen, Martin O'Neill or any number of other Celtic managers you care to mention ever suffer anything even remotely close to what Neil Lennon does? Answer is no, why is that? I'm not condoning it, just questioning why it does happen to this particular manager. Indeed. The fact is that the success of Celtic FC (and Rangers RIP) is built on a sectarian rivalry and exploiting sectarianism. Just look at the way that Celtic's gates have plummeted since Rangers died. If there was no Sevco then I have no doubt that Celtic's gates would fall to such a level that they would be on a par with Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen, etc. Neil Lennon has made his money from Celtic FC and he's been a central figure in Celtic's campaign to stir up sectarianism and exploit it. Feeling sympathy for Neil Lennon would be a bit like feeling sympathy for Nick Griffen getting similar abuse. Just think back to the referees strike - it all stemmed from Celtic & Neil Lennon stirring up sectarian hatred. They were at it every week. Remember John Reid's "read your history books" comment? Or Hooper's laughable comment about the referees having it in for Celtic? Neil Lennon's comments after virtually ever game? His tweets? They were insinuating that there was a sectarian agenda against Celtic coming from all the other clubs in Scotland. They do this to generate crowds and success. They've been doing it for over 100 years and its caused no end of hatred and violence in Scotland. Why do we not hear any of that anymore? Because there is no Rangers anymore. The focus needs to be on stamping out sectarianism from Scottish football and Scottish society. The focus should be on closing down Celtic & Rangers. Neil Lennon isn't a victim. Quite the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabella Duke Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 You noticeably missed out the bit where he'd suffered 92 minutes of abuse from our fans first. Either way, I don't know how anyone can equate a goal celebration with spitting and coin throwing but at least you're not saying he brought it on himself. Over 100 years of sectarian exploitation from that club isn't brining it on themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm74 Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I don't care how much of an wanker he is (and make no mistake he is a wanker of the highest order), no-one should be subjected to this kind of pish at a football match. Just adds fuel to the fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabella Duke Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I don't care how much of an wanker he is (and make no mistake he is a wanker of the highest order), no-one should be subjected to this kind of pish at a football match. Just adds fuel to the fire. There is no doubt that those carrying out the abuse are out of order. But again, its missing the point. The point is that Celtic's business model is to stir up hatred like this. Its what draws crowds to Parkhead, its what gives them money, its what gives them success. Neil Lennon has £ millions in the bank on the back of it. Indeed, its helped keep in his job. Look at the tale of 2 previous Celtic managers, neither of whom had any connections with Celtic whatsoever before they joined the club. Martin O'Neill was adored by the Celtic support and is still adored today. Gordon Strachan was hated by the Celtic support and is still hated today. They did everything they could to get him out the door from day 1. Yet Strachan was the more successful manager in terms of trophies won and progress in the Champions League. He also did it with less money. What is it that made O'Neill so popular and Strachan so hated? And, as Drew points out, why is it that O'Neill did not attract the abuse that Lennon does? We need to stop focusing on the symptoms and start focusing on the cause. And the cause is the Old Firm and the sectarianism they deliberately stir up to gain success on the pitch as the expense of clubs like St. Mirren. There will be no progress on stamping out sectarianism in Scotland until people stop seeing the guilty parties as the victims... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddiecat Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 wouldn't be surprised to hear that lennon had earlier been given abuse and reacted to it , therefore being given more abuse, that said ibelieve he deserves all he gets (apart from spitting) he is an obnoxious man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) Did Josef Venglos, Tony Mowbray, Wim Jansen, Martin O'Neill or any number of other Celtic managers you care to mention ever suffer anything even remotely close to what Neil Lennon does? Answer is no, why is that? I'm not condoning it, just questioning why it does happen to this particular manager. Because as a radio commentator said yesterday he doesn't take shit from people and speaks his mind. This country which talks grandly about freedom of speech simply doesn't believe in it. People who speak their own minds are not tolerated here any more than they are in many other countries we traditionally look down on as being less well developed. This is purely the actions of people who simply can't tolerate people who have different opinions to themselves. Combine that with the gut wrenching ego of a hell of a lot of men in this country which displays itself as ridiculous naked aggression and an inability to control their alcohol drinking and there you pretty much have it. Those other Celtic men you mention walked on eggshells so as not to provoke people with quite clearly serious emotional issues. How a grown man can get angry about Lennon sticking two fingers up at them would be hilarious if it wasn't so utterly depressing. The people who did this, those who support them and those who feel Lennon somehow deserved it are obviously deeply damaged people. Edited February 2, 2014 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 There is no doubt that those carrying out the abuse are out of order. But again, its missing the point. The point is that Celtic's business model is to stir up hatred like this. Its what draws crowds to Parkhead, its what gives them money, its what gives them success. Neil Lennon has £ millions in the bank on the back of it. Indeed, its helped keep in his job. Look at the tale of 2 previous Celtic managers, neither of whom had any connections with Celtic whatsoever before they joined the club. Martin O'Neill was adored by the Celtic support and is still adored today. Gordon Strachan was hated by the Celtic support and is still hated today. They did everything they could to get him out the door from day 1. Yet Strachan was the more successful manager in terms of trophies won and progress in the Champions League. He also did it with less money. What is it that made O'Neill so popular and Strachan so hated? And, as Drew points out, why is it that O'Neill did not attract the abuse that Lennon does? We need to stop focusing on the symptoms and start focusing on the cause. And the cause is the Old Firm and the sectarianism they deliberately stir up to gain success on the pitch as the expense of clubs like St. Mirren. There will be no progress on stamping out sectarianism in Scotland until people stop seeing the guilty parties as the victims... All of what you are saying is typical whataboutery. The only questions are why are our men (usually men) so incapable of controlling their tempers? Why are they incapable of drinking alcohol properly? Why are they so poorly educated that they can't do anything other than lash out at people they don't like? Why are their egos in the toilet to the extent that a man they've never met can POSSIBLY say anything which angers them to the point of violence? How can this be possible in 21st century Scotland? And finally, why are there so many wankers out there prepared to support this kind of anti-social behaviour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabella Duke Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 All of what you are saying is typical whataboutery. The only questions are why are our men (usually men) so incapable of controlling their tempers? Why are they incapable of drinking alcohol properly? Why are they so poorly educated that they can't do anything other than lash out at people they don't like? Why are their egos in the toilet to the extent that a man they've never met can POSSIBLY say anything which angers them to the point of violence? How can this be possible in 21st century Scotland? And finally, why are there so many wankers out there prepared to support this kind of anti-social behaviour? All of what you say is typical whataboutery. The only question is why we tolerate the Old Firm and their sectarianism in Scottish society. And the answer is that apologists like you defend it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabella Duke Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Because as a radio commentator said yesterday he doesn't take shit from people and speaks his mind. This country which talks grandly about freedom of speech simply doesn't believe in it. People who speak their own minds are not tolerated here any more than they are in many other countries we traditionally look down on as being less well developed. This is purely the actions of people who simply can't tolerate people who have different opinions to themselves. Combine that with the gut wrenching ego of a hell of a lot of men in this country which displays itself as ridiculous naked aggression and an inability to control their alcohol drinking and there you pretty much have it. Those other Celtic men you mention walked on eggshells so as not to provoke people with quite clearly serious emotional issues. How a grown man can get angry about Lennon sticking two fingers up at them would be hilarious if it wasn't so utterly depressing. The people who did this, those who support them and those who feel Lennon somehow deserved it are obviously deeply damaged people. Indeed. And its people like this that the Old Firm business model exploits and feeds from. And until the apologists of sectarianism like yourself can see the cause then we face another century of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabella Duke Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 wouldn't be surprised to hear that lennon had earlier been given abuse and reacted to it , therefore being given more abuse, that said ibelieve he deserves all he gets (apart from spitting) he is an obnoxious man Stirring and exploiting the underclass of Scottish society. That is how 2 clubs in Scotland have won success and their employees have £ millions in the bank. And the apologists let it happen... Shame on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddiecat Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Stirring and exploiting the underclass of Scottish society. That is how 2 clubs in Scotland have won success and their employees have £ millions in the bank. And the apologists let it happen... Shame on them. the appologists are basically people who have a hidden allegiance to one or other of the bigot teams or their so called religious beliefs, as you say they only can and only do exist because of this type of sectarianism, the appologists probably do not even think they are being sectarian, but i'm afraid they are being blinkered and possibly influenced in their youth by their parents beliefs, i for one know that it takes only a small amount of thought to realise that giving them an ounce of sympathy shows you have been influenced/brainwashed by their propoganda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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