cambiebud Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Superb goal from messiHad to laugh at the ITV poll which had Ronaldo ahead of Messi as best player in the world. Messi is by far the greatest player I have ever seen, bar none, and I'm in my 50s. A genius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Had to laugh at the ITV poll which had Ronaldo ahead of Messi as best player in the world. Messi is by far the greatest player I have ever seen, bar none, and I'm in my 50s. A genius An impossible debate I'm afraid. Ronaldo is certainly in that bracket, at this moment in time, whether you like it or not so it's not an impossible outcome. The best many have ever seen, again, is impossible to really come to any real conclusion. Pele, Maradonna, Cruyff, Eusabio, Best..................all in my lifetime and as the coverage in previous years wasn't close to what's available now there's no way to really choose. Certainly we (over 50s) have been lucky to have "seen" some astounding football players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambiebud Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Ronaldo is just so obnoxious though, I can't bring myself to even put him in my top 10. He is the most selfish player I have ever seen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gstretchuk Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Had to laugh at the ITV poll which had Ronaldo ahead of Messi as best player in the world. Messi is by far the greatest player I have ever seen, bar none, and I'm in my 50s. A geniusmaradona won world cups on his own..nobody comes close to him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM1 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Ronaldo is a fantastic player. Personally I think Messi is better, but there is very little between them. A lot of people let Ronaldo's personality & the media's perception of him cloud their judgement of his footballing ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Ronaldo is a fantastic player. Personally I think Messi is better, but there is very little between them. A lot of people let Ronaldo's personality & the media's perception of him cloud their judgement of his footballing ability. Beckham suffered a similar perception. I get it at work, good looking people have a cross to wear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Current game, Belgium 0-0 Russia, half time. Like I thought, 2 teams who are playing pretty average and nothing between them. (If it ends up 3-3 I was only kidding ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Arbroath just got a mention on the build up on ITV. Anyway, next game, South Korea v Algeria. Another "heads or tails" game for me I'm afraid. Algeria were shit against Belgium, I never seen Koreas first game, they only scored due to comical goalkeeping against Russia. A 0-0 draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 SK 1 A 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambiebud Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Arbroath just got a mention on the build up on ITV. Anyway, next game, South Korea v Algeria. Another "heads or tails" game for me I'm afraid. Algeria were shit against Belgium, I never seen Koreas first game, they only scored due to comical goalkeeping against Russia. A 0-0 draw. Glad you're not picking my coupon FS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Saint Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 And again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM1 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Portugal's Eder is challenging Efe Ambrose for the worst player in the World Cup award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 The South Korea v Algeria game was superb entertainment. Could easily have finished 4-4 in the end. South Korea were denied two stonewall penalties as they made their comeback and there were a fair number of goal line clearances and good saves as well. When Algeria went 3-0 up I thought they'd simply shut out the South Koreans and slow the game down as they did in their first game. Instead the game pulsed and flowed from end to end. And then the USA v Portugal game had a superb second half and a really dramatic late equaliser after a piece of magic by Ronaldo - what a cross that was. That group has been the best of the bunch so far. The USA have been a breath of fresh air with the way they battle in matches and Ghana have been superb to watch, as have Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murray street Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) Holland looking good against Chile, very tight technical game. Thats the sign of champions, playing pish but still winning. 2-0, first team to 9 points, Holland - the team to watch bring on the mexicans Edited June 23, 2014 by murray street Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Saint Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Holland looking good against Chile, very tight technical game. Thats the sign of champions, playing pish but still winning. 2-0, first team to 9 points, Holland - the team to watch bring on the mexicans hopefully it'll be Brazil they are playing. Come on the Mexicans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murray street Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) hopefully it'll be Brazil they are playing. Come on the Mexicans! Holland v Mexico on sunday. andre andre ariba ariba Edited June 23, 2014 by murray street Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murray street Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) btw, holland avoid brazil till the final Edited June 23, 2014 by murray street Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) There's far too many European teams in the tournament, and they're stinking the place up. Another night, another one of them out. Spain, England, Bosnia, Portugal and now Croatia. Hopefully FIFA cuts back on the amount of places allocated to UEFA for future tournaments. Edited June 23, 2014 by TopCat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murray street Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 There's far too many European teams in the tournament, and they're stinking the place up. Another night, another one of them out. Spain, England, Bosnia, Portugal and now Croatia. Hopefully FIFA cuts back on the amount of places allocated to UEFA for future tournaments. I see no reason why a european team can't win this tournament in brazil, the last time the world cup was in south america was in 1986 in mexico. The game has changed dramatically since then, Germany and holland have played games early afternoon, mid afternoon and evening in this world cup and have shown they can cope easily with the conditions, It is not out of the question for it to be a holland v germany final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) I see no reason why a european team can't win this tournament in brazil, the last time the world cup was in south america was in 1986 in mexico. The game has changed dramatically since then, Germany and holland have played games early afternoon, mid afternoon and evening in this world cup and have shown they can cope easily with the conditions, It is not out of the question for it to be a holland v germany final. A European team may win the tournament.It doesn't mean there's not far too many of them in the tournament, there's 12 for goodness sake. What's the point in no hopers like Bosnia, England and Greece taking away spots from other confederations? In future I'd have: 8 Europe 6 South America 6 Asia 6 Africa 4 Central and North America 1 host 1 play off winner - play off between 4 biggest confederations. Not sure about your Germany point either. They beat another European side easily, but had to come from behind to snatch a point against an African team. Edited June 23, 2014 by TopCat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 A European team may win the tournament. It doesn't mean there's not far too many of them in the tournament, there's 12 for goodness sake. What's the point in no hopers like Bosnia, England and Greece taking away spots from other confederations? In future I'd have: 8 Europe 6 South America 6 Asia 6 Africa 4 Central and North America 1 host 1 play off winner - play off between 4 biggest confederations. Not sure about your Germany point either. They beat another European side easily, but had to come from behind to snatch a point against an African team. Puzzled? Do you really believe, and this would only be an opinion, there are better teams from other areas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM1 Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 In future I'd have: 6 South America So if that was the case, out of the 9 teams from South America, 6 of them would've qualified for this year's World Cup? That's absolutely ridiculous.Also, do the Oceania countries just give up football too? You do know that traditionally the Europeans do the best out of the confederations - one blip (i.e. this year's World Cup - which hasn't even finished yet) doesn't make much of a difference to the stats overall. Number of European semi-finalists: - 2010 = 3 2006 = 4 2002 = 2 1998 = 3 1994 = 3 1990 = 3 1986 = 3 1982 = 4 Europe traditionally do worse in South America, as do the other confederations when it's held in Europe (or practically anywhere else really). One poor World Cup (if it ends up that way for the Europeans) is unusual. I will predict right now, the European confederation will be the strongest in Russia 2018. Finally, what 5 teams replacing the 5 removed from Europe do you think would've put on a better showing than the European ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Puzzled? Do you really believe, and this would only be an opinion, there are better teams from other areas? Yes. New Zealand were unbeaten at the last World Cup, they aren't here. Would also love to see teams like Panama ( who just missed out ) and more African teams like Egypt etc. Blatter's spoken before about reducing European contingent, let's hope this World Cup makes him do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 So if that was the case, out of the 9 teams from South America, 6 of them would've qualified for this year's World Cup? That's absolutely ridiculous. Also, do the Oceania countries just give up football too? You do know that traditionally the Europeans do the best out of the confederations - one blip (i.e. this year's World Cup - which hasn't even finished yet) doesn't make much of a difference to the stats overall. Number of European semi-finalists: - 2010 = 3 2006 = 4 2002 = 2 1998 = 3 1994 = 3 1990 = 3 1986 = 3 1982 = 4 Europe traditionally do worse in South America, as do the other confederations when it's held in Europe (or practically anywhere else really). One poor World Cup (if it ends up that way for the Europeans) is unusual. I will predict right now, the European confederation will be the strongest in Russia 2018. Finally, what 5 teams replacing the 5 removed from Europe do you think would've put on a better showing than the European ones? Beat me to it. I was going to look into this but didn't have time. To say England are no hopers, when this is the fist time in a million years they haven't got out of the group stages, is ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) So if that was the case, out of the 9 teams from South America, 6 of them would've qualified for this year's World Cup? That's absolutely ridiculous. Also, do the Oceania countries just give up football too? You do know that traditionally the Europeans do the best out of the confederations - one blip (i.e. this year's World Cup - which hasn't even finished yet) doesn't make much of a difference to the stats overall. Number of European semi-finalists: - 2010 = 3 2006 = 4 2002 = 2 1998 = 3 1994 = 3 1990 = 3 1986 = 3 1982 = 4 Europe traditionally do worse in South America, as do the other confederations when it's held in Europe (or practically anywhere else really). One poor World Cup (if it ends up that way for the Europeans) is unusual. I will predict right now, the European confederation will be the strongest in Russia 2018. Finally, what 5 teams replacing the 5 removed from Europe do you think would've put on a better showing than the European ones? There's 6 South American teams at this World Cup. 4 of them have already qualified for the last 16, and the other 2 may join them in the next week. I'm not saying there's not elite level European teams, there is. Because we have nations like Spain and Germany etc, does that mean it should be easier for our continents no hopers like Bosnias and England to qualify than it is for exciting developing nations like Burkina Faso and Jamaica? They couldn't do any worse, could they? And they'd add some diversity to the tournament. Why this disparity? Why this accident of geography? It you're lucky enough to be close to a lot of elite teams you should get more qualifying spots? It's the World Cup, it should be for the World. It's not the European Championships plus invited guests. Edit I'd have the winner of the Oceania section - New Zealand - play off against the 6th placed Asian team. Edited June 24, 2014 by TopCat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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