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The board are not being as wise as some of you think.

Penny pinching and running the club well are 2 totally different things when it comes to signing players.

If they were that clever how much return on investment (not just ££) was made on Imrie, bahoken, caprice, harkins and thats just in the last 12mths.

Whos £ are they being sensible with?

Are they investing their own £?

I think making sure the right standard if player comes in definatley pays off in the end. An extra 200k per year or so on wages is easily made back by finishing 7th instead of 10th.

Gambling would be paying big wages on the likes of Adam Rooney, kevin Thomson and Kris Boyd and not knowing if it will pay off like the latter 2. Also when you have assets like mclean and mcginn at the club they should based on merit be offered far greater terms than the less than 1k> deals that they are on.

Fxxxxng idiots!

2 out of the 3 players you mentioned finished below us. One was relegated and had a shocker of a season. Thank god you're not gambling for us. Edited by davidg

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Have you seen the books? We might be making a profit year on year with the amount of cut backs, avoiding paying for stewards, winning the cup, money for 8th etc certainly haven't seen much outgoing money. After all of this we still get beaten by every team to players. Not looking for us to break the bank, just to compete so we don't continuously end up in relegation trouble!

I've been very fortunate to have been able to afford to buy shares in St Mirren since late 90's share issue at a time when our club was really in dire straits. I must add I probably would not be able to do so now as I have a family. I've since donated those shares to SMISA as proxy. I've also been a SMISA member since it formed and will continue to support those guys.

So yes since I have seen the published accounts. I have witnessed the transformation from a club laden with debt with a crumbling stadium to the situation we find ourselves in a far more comfortable situation with a ground and training facilities that are some of the best in Scotland.

The BoD know I don't agree with everything they have done - but I trust they know from our conversation that I fully respect their financial and time investment into St Mirren Football Club Ltd.

We currently have some highly experienced players with international caps on our books alongside some of the best young talents in Scotland.

St Mirren have achieved this by not running up huge debts like teams like Motherwell, Kilmarnock, Aberdeen, Hearts and Dundee Utd.

St Mirren have not been in administration EVER unlike Motherwell, Dundee (twice), Hearts, Gretna, Livingston (twice), Rangers.

St Mirren have reached two major finals under this "penny pinching" approach and won a major honour. Look at Motherwell spunking money on players that they cannot afford - should we follow the path they take. For the record the last time Motherwell won a major trophy was 1991. Aberdeen won their first trophy in 19 years - they are crippled with debt and Milne is desparate to move from Pittodrie.

Hearts nearly died but time will tell whether they learn any lessons from what they have just gone through..

Dundee & Livingston never learned the lessons the first time. Will history repeat itself?

Oh aye and Gretna and Rangers both DIED chasing a fantasy and screwed numerous creditors.

I'd rather have a "penny pinching" approach than a "pound spunking" contest any season. At least that way we will all have a football team to support.

And for the record we don't make a great deal of profit EVER - we actually run one of the highest wage<>income ratios in the league - around 70%.

The biggest problem we face is that we just don't generate enough income to build a bigger and better squad.

If you want a comparison take a look at the PWC reports across all clubs.

http://pwc.blogs.com/files/2012---financial-review-of-spl-football2010-11_final.pdf

Edited by Slash

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I've been very fortunate to have been able to afford to buy shares in St Mirren since late 90's share issue at a time when our club was really in dire straits. I must add I probably would not be able to do so now as I have a family. I've since donated those shares to SMISA as proxy. I've also been a SMISA member since it formed and will continue to support those guys.

So yes since I have seen the published accounts. I have witnessed the transformation from a club laden with debt with a crumbling stadium to the situation we find ourselves in a far more comfortable situation with a ground and training facilities that are some of the best in Scotland.

The BoD know I don't agree with everything they have done - but I trust they know from our conversation that I fully respect their financial and time investment into St Mirren Football Club Ltd.

We currently have some highly experienced players with international caps on our books alongside some of the best young talents in Scotland.

St Mirren have achieved this by not running up huge debts like teams like Motherwell, Kilmarnock, Aberdeen, Hearts and Dundee Utd.

St Mirren have not been in administration EVER unlike Motherwell, Dundee (twice), Hearts, Gretna, Livingston (twice), Rangers.

St Mirren have reached two major finals under this "penny pinching" approach and won a major honour. Look at Motherwell spunking money on players that they cannot afford - should we follow the path they take. For the record the last time Motherwell won a major trophy was 1991. Aberdeen won their first trophy in 19 years - they are crippled with debt and Milne is desparate to move from Pittodrie.

Hearts nearly died but time will tell whether they learn any lessons from what they have just gone through..

Dundee & Livingston never learned the lessons the first time. Will history repeat itself?

Oh aye and Gretna and Rangers both DIED chasing a fantasy and screwed numerous creditors.

I'd rather have a "penny pinching" approach than a "pound spunking" contest any season. At least that way we will all have a football team to support.

And for the record we don't make a great deal of profit EVER - we actually run one of the highest wage<>income ratios in the league - around 70%.

The biggest problem we face is that we just don't generate enough income to build a bigger and better squad.

If you want a comparison take a look at the PWC reports across all clubs.

http://pwc.blogs.com/files/2012---financial-review-of-spl-football2010-11_final.pdf

Good post - it gets kinda tiresome to continually hear that our BoD is penny pinching when they continually give just about every available pound to whichever manager is in charge.

I understand the present situation is frustrating - I would have liked to have seen us announce a few deals this week (and remember the Scottish transfer window didn't officially open till Monday) but I guess we're going to have to wait until players assess their options and decide who to sign with before announcements are made. It was disappointing to lose Dilo but I reckon Kello & Ridgers are a good start to building a decent squad for next season. There's not been anyone signed by an immediate rival that I'm gutted to have missed and more than a few I glad we have missed.

I guess we'll just have to keep the incontinence pants on for a wee while yet. Flush.gif

Edited by Bud the Baker

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It was disappointing to lose Dilo but I reckon Kello & Ridgers are a good start to building a decent squad for next season.

Dilo's loss - from what has been posted on OS by the manager TC:

“Chris Dilo was offered a contract and we haven’t heard back from him since. The fact that we have now signed Mark Ridgers means Chris won’t be back.”

Perhaps Dilo is being chased out of town by a local taxi firm. He has previous at Blackburn. I don’t expect a local Paisley cabbie to allow him to run up a debt of thousands of pounds without losing his ability to eat food without the use of a straw – never mind catch a football.

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The board are not being as wise as some of you think.

Penny pinching and running the club well are 2 totally different things when it comes to signing players.

If they were that clever how much return on investment (not just ££) was made on Imrie, bahoken, caprice, harkins and thats just in the last 12mths.

Whos £ are they being sensible with?

Are they investing their own £?

I think making sure the right standard if player comes in definatley pays off in the end. An extra 200k per year or so on wages is easily made back by finishing 7th instead of 10th.

Gambling would be paying big wages on the likes of Adam Rooney, kevin Thomson and Kris Boyd and not knowing if it will pay off like the latter 2 didnt. Also when you have assets like mclean and mcginn at the club they should based on merit be offered far greater terms than the less than 1k> deals that they are on.

Fxxxxng idiots!

You reckon we should pay players far greater than £1000 per week to kick a football?

On gates of about 4000?

And then you call those who won't finance that utter lunacy f**king idiots?

I'm sorry but lol.gif

Edited by oaksoft

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You reckon we should pay players far greater than £1000 per week to kick a football?

On gates of about 4000?

And then you call those who won't finance that utter lunacy f**king idiots?

I'm sorry but lol.gif

Yes. Especially if we could get as high as 7 figure sums for them if we a) could keep a hold of them and B) sell them on rather than surrender them to shitty bosmans clinging to the hope of a development fee.

Many on here bang on about having the youth facilities and up and coming talent but whats the point if we dont reward them with contracts longer than a year or at the most 2.

Players like mcginn and mclean only come once a blue moon just ask hamilton. The only difference is they got their reward as they identified the talent and made appropriate sums of money for them.

On to the signings my answer would be yes again. If they are good enough and money shouldnt be much of a worry as a few decent earners wont be here next season.

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We wont make big signings until players have finished their world cup commitments.

is djemba djemba coming back?..... Haven't watched the cameroon game yet but i assume eric was there, thats why he came to paisley isn't it ?

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Brian, is there any truth to the rumour that one of the reasons we did not re-sign Dilo is due some to disciplinary problems, including trashing the flat the club got him?

It has been said we offered him a contract but he never got back to us.

At least Brian Caldwell is honest with his answers as it's showing we are cost cutting

No problems as we wasted too much last season with signings.

I hope we sign players who are suited to the system they have in mind instead of the panic buys of last season

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Yes. Especially if we could get as high as 7 figure sums for them if we a) could keep a hold of them and cool.png sell them on rather than surrender them to shitty bosmans clinging to the hope of a development fee.

Many on here bang on about having the youth facilities and up and coming talent but whats the point if we dont reward them with contracts longer than a year or at the most 2.

Players like mcginn and mclean only come once a blue moon just ask hamilton. The only difference is they got their reward as they identified the talent and made appropriate sums of money for them.

On to the signings my answer would be yes again. If they are good enough and money shouldnt be much of a worry as a few decent earners wont be here next season.

I have some sympathy for your view about making money out of our youngsters but that is a HUGE gamble to offer kids 3 year contracts.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what we gave McGinn and some others.

Whether they accept extensions to that is another matter.

All of this comes down to hard cash.

What do you think Tommy's budget is?

How much has he been or should be told he can spend on wages each week do you reckon?

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I don't understand this mentality.

We simply do not have mega-rich owners. The current BoD have transformed a club at risk from going into administration/liquidation to running pretty much break even year on year.

They have earned the right to decide how the operating expenses are distributed. I'm pleased to see that the foreign training trip has been cancelled this year, as it is just another major expense when we have quality facilities at our training facility.

In the time they have been in control we have won the Div 1 twice, Challenge trophy and League Cup - there are two clubs 7 miles west and east who have boards who have been willing to speculate and both are running at significant losses year on year which could result in administration or liquidation.

Neither of those two clubs are currently in the top league and neither have won any major domestic honours in recent seasons.

I must stress if YOU want to change this "penny-pinching" approach then I'm sure Bryan McAusland would be more than happy to meet you.

Exactly.

How can a club like ours 'penny pinch'?

What goes in goes out. The more that comes in, the more that goes out. Simple economics really.

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You reckon we should pay players far greater than £1000 per week to kick a football?

On gates of about 4000?

And then you call those who won't finance that utter lunacy f**king idiots?

I'm sorry but lol.gif

You clearly have no grasp of modern football if you don't think we're already paying players more than 1k a week.

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What business is that of yours?

Just because they play football, doesnt give you the right to know how well covered they are against injury

It's a question I want to ask, is that okay God?

It was published in the past when Jimmy Bone reported that the fact the club had stopped paying insurance premiums for the players, was leading to signing targets turning him down as they felt it lowered their basic wage paying their own. Is this still the case are players going elsewhere because of this?

Also McGregor is getting a lot of flak because the club stood by him and he has left, did the club or was it the insurance company paying his wages and a nice guy who did all he could for the club is getting all sort of morons wishing him ill and commenting on his parents.

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It's a shame a question & answer thread has been hijacked by ill- informed , abusive posts & debate.

The rest of the forum can be used for this , this should be left purely as intended for questions & answers.

This thread could answer questions and reduce the need for pointless speculation & abuse.

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It's a question I want to ask, is that okay God?

It was published in the past when Jimmy Bone reported that the fact the club had stopped paying insurance premiums for the players, was leading to signing targets turning him down as they felt it lowered their basic wage paying their own. Is this still the case are players going elsewhere because of this?

Also McGregor is getting a lot of flak because the club stood by him and he has left, did the club or was it the insurance company paying his wages and a nice guy who did all he could for the club is getting all sort of morons wishing him ill and commenting on his parents.

The question about injury insurance is perfectly valid. I doubt footballers go down to half pay and zero pay so would be interesting to know if the full wage is met by the club.

As for the insurance you mention in the past, I'm pretty sure this was health cover. The club decided to stop health insurance and just pay for operations etc as they came along.

Edited by Thorizaar

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It's a shame a question & answer thread has been hijacked by ill- informed , abusive posts & debate.

The rest of the forum can be used for this , this should be left purely as intended for questions & answers.

This thread could answer questions and reduce the need for pointless speculation & abuse.

Gies a signing!!!

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Exactly.

How can a club like ours 'penny pinch'?

What goes in goes out. The more that comes in, the more that goes out. Simple economics really.

Wasn't the case last year, must've made some extra money from winning the league cup yet we had a mass clear out, bringing in around half the number of players we let go.

Our club doesn't work like that, our fans seem to think of we sell McLean, McGinn most of that money will be reinvested in the playing staff! There is no way that'll happen so as a supporter I'd rather just keep them since we never benefit from any income anyway!

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Wasn't the case last year, must've made some extra money from winning the league cup yet we had a mass clear out, bringing in around half the number of players we let go.

Our club doesn't work like that, our fans seem to think of we sell McLean, McGinn most of that money will be reinvested in the playing staff! There is no way that'll happen so as a supporter I'd rather just keep them since we never benefit from any income anyway!

How often can you say it - the BoD spend just about every pound the club makes and I'll be surprised if the figures for the Financial Year ending May 2014 show any difference although I personally hope they cut the player budget to shreds and blow it all on cocaine & hookers for this years AGM! king.gif

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Wasn't the case last year, must've made some extra money from winning the league cup yet we had a mass clear out, bringing in around half the number of players we let go.

Our club doesn't work like that, our fans seem to think of we sell McLean, McGinn most of that money will be reinvested in the playing staff! There is no way that'll happen so as a supporter I'd rather just keep them since we never benefit from any income anyway!

At the AGM the BoD said we made around £100K profit from winning the cup.

I'd have rather seen that money gone towards the development costs of the void rather than spunked away by Lennon on Harkins, Grainger, Bahoken and pay-offs of Imrie and Guy.

It would have been a great legacy of the cup run to see the void developed that home and away supporters could use pre and post match - but also be made available for functions on non-match days.

Commercially as a club we need to do improve our off-field commercial activities which would raise significant more revenue to allow us to:-

a) build an emergency fund (to deal with a major event such as relegation or loss of TV sponsorship)

B) invest more into the youth development

St Johnstone's income is around £1,000,000 more every season than ourselves despite having lower crowds.

We should be building partnerships with the local college and university to actively encourage students to get involved with the club to develop hospitality, marketing, and administration.

This probably won't happen until new owners with fresh ideas come in and want to move the club forward.

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