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Anyway, why is Forster worth 10 million and Stevie May £800000 ? 1eye.gif

If i had the choice it would be May everytime for St Mirren

The economics of players value is bizarre at times but I'd assume it's because Forster is an England International with CL experience whereas May plays for a diddy Scottish club and his scoring record at SPFL level is not considered a guarantee that he'd be successful in the Premiership.

Back to the Legia Warsaw decision it also baffles me - as the player was on the clubs books I'd have assumed that missing the club's games in the previous round would have counted as LW obviously did to their cost. Still it's up to the club to read the rulebook and they're probably gonna have to pay a high price for not doing so, as for Celtic - jammy bastards! cool.png

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Legia hadn't registered him for those games. So he couldn't serve the sentence he was due.

They would have had their reasons for not registering him - it was their problem. Not Celtic's.

It might seem harsh, but laws are fixed to help society negotiate problems. Everyone knows the rules and, as a successful business, they have officials (secretaries and managers) whose job it is to play the rules in the way that best suits them. They were responsible for flouting the rules. Not Celtic.

Legia, like Celtic, are a big business NOT a sporting organisation. Legia broke the rules so must accept the punishment. Celtic didn't, so they can hardly be slagged for gratefully accepting whatever extra money comes their way. They certainly cannae say, "Legia deserve the money more than our company".

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Legia hadn't registered him for those games. So he couldn't serve the sentence he was due.

They would have had their reasons for not registering him - it was their problem. Not Celtic's.

It might seem harsh, but laws are fixed to help society negotiate problems. Everyone knows the rules and, as a successful business, they have officials (secretaries and managers) whose job it is to play the rules in the way that best suits them. They were responsible for flouting the rules. Not Celtic.

Legia, like Celtic, are a big business NOT a sporting organisation. Legia broke the rules so must accept the punishment. Celtic didn't, so they can hardly be slagged for gratefully accepting whatever extra money comes their way. They certainly cannae say, "Legia deserve the money more than our company".

Yup, the rules are the rules and it was Legia's fault they broke them. But the punishment seems to have changed. In a previous similar incident, the offending club were allowed to remain in the competition. What was the difference this time? It seems ridiculous that clear episodes of deliberately flouting the rules (cheating) should carry the same punishment as an obvious administrative error. Legia gained absolutely NO advantage from this mistake, so the punishment should reflect this.

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If Legia had scored one of their penalties, or converted one of their many chances then, like the previous club cited, they would have WON.

But they didn't win and in that instance, the rules are clear.

Your teas oot, and you are oot.

If they had won, then the rules allow the authorities to come up with a suitable punishment, which is what happened before. They had won, but had to pay a fine.

Legia had only themselves to blame.

Convert one of two penalties, score one of their barrow load of chances.... But they failed.

Luckily the rules didn't: they were clear enough on what should happen.

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Ironically if the offending player had come on and scored in those 4 minutes they would have gone through.

I'd like to hear from Legia as to why they didn't register him for the games when he was suspended; did they register another player instead

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Ironically if the offending player had come on and scored in those 4 minutes they would have gone through.

I'd like to hear from Legia as to why they didn't register him for the games when he was suspended; did they register another player instead

How would they have gone through? Celtic were awarded the tie 3-0, so would have still gone through on away goals. What Legia needed was to score one of the penalties from the first leg, making the aggregate 5-4 even with the second tie being given to the Dhims.

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If Legia had scored one of their penalties, or converted one of their many chances then, like the previous club cited, they would have WON.

But they didn't win and in that instance, the rules are clear.

Your teas oot, and you are oot.

If they had won, then the rules allow the authorities to come up with a suitable punishment, which is what happened before. They had won, but had to pay a fine.

Legia had only themselves to blame.

Convert one of two penalties, score one of their barrow load of chances.... But they failed.

Luckily the rules didn't: they were clear enough on what should happen.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Debrecen ( the club in the previous incident) won 2-0 at home and 2-1 away. They brought on an unregistered sub with 4 minutes to go of the second leg. They won 4-1 on aggregate. If Uefa had hit them with the standard 3-0 for breaking the rules, then they would have been out. Legia were 6-1 up so your argument doesn't stand up.

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I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Debrecen ( the club in the previous incident) won 2-0 at home and 2-1 away. They brought on an unregistered sub with 4 minutes to go of the second leg. They won 4-1 on aggregate. If Uefa had hit them with the standard 3-0 for breaking the rules, then they would have been out. Legia were 6-1 up so your argument doesn't stand up.

the result at murrayfield was scrapped and changed to a 3-0 victory to shellic...thats why the aggregate score was NOT 6-1

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the result at murrayfield was scrapped and changed to a 3-0 victory to shellic...thats why the aggregate score was NOT 6-1

How difficult is this to understand? Debrecen won 4-1 on aggregate but were not punished by a 3-0 for fielding an ineligible player, therefore the score stayed at 4-1. If they had been hit, the aggregate would have been 3-2 to Litex. Legia won 6-1 on aggregate but were punished by a 3-0 in the away leg for fielding an ineligible player, therefore the score became 4-4, and the Dhims went through on away goals. Simple, eh?

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How difficult is this to understand? Debrecen won 4-1 on aggregate but were not punished by a 3-0 for fielding an ineligible player, therefore the score stayed at 4-1. If they had been hit, the aggregate would have been 3-2 to Litex. Legia won 6-1 on aggregate but were punished by a 3-0 in the away leg for fielding an ineligible player, therefore the score became 4-4, and the Dhims went through on away goals. Simple, eh?

That was the point I was making too. There was at least one other case like that around the same time. Precedent normally plays a factor in this kind of decision but if UEFA in the past two years announced a decision that precedent would no longer be taken into account then fair enough. It was an administrative error by Legia that had no affect whatsoever on the outcome. The punishment is way over the top. A big fine would have been more appropriate.

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If that happened to Saints some of us would be delighted but the bulk of us would recognise that it was inherently wrong. The lack of a sense of what is right or wrong is not a monopoly for the Old Firm so don't let it concern you, Faraway, This was a shocking decision.

My father in law is a Celtic season ticket holder for over 50 years and will not be attending any more Champions League games this season as he is so embarrassed by what's happened. Says it's not the Celtic way

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If Legia had scored one of their penalties, or converted one of their many chances then, like the previous club cited, they would have WON.

But they didn't win and in that instance, the rules are clear.

Your teas oot, and you are oot.

If they had won, then the rules allow the authorities to come up with a suitable punishment, which is what happened before. They had won, but had to pay a fine.

Legia had only themselves to blame.

Convert one of two penalties, score one of their barrow load of chances.... But they failed.

Luckily the rules didn't: they were clear enough on what should happen.

What are you on about? I thought Legia Warsaw WON both legs?

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Celtic have been reinstated to the Champions League after Legia Warsaw were punished for fielding an ineligible player.

Legia won the third qualifying round tie 6-1 on aggregate but brought on Bartosz Bereszynski in the second leg, while he was supposed to be suspended.

As a result Celtic were handed a 3-0 'walkover' win for the second leg, taking them through on away goals.

Simples, no?

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