Kemp Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I don't really think a two year deal is an absurdly long contract, I remember we had Tom Hendrie on a five year deal! It is unusual for a manager to be so incompetent that he clearly has to be moved on so soon in to a contract however. Moved on he will need to be though! Motherwell had about 60 serious applicants for the job, hopefully we will get rid of Tommy today, put Gary Teale in charge for the Celtic game and then have a new man in charge on the Monday. That Motherwell clash in two weeks is a real six pointer, we can't be going in to it with the current shambles of a set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldo_j Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 So. Is today the day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Bud Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Everyday I wake up - log on to this site and pray that today is the day Tommy is binned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ McG Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I stayed in over the weekend and behaved myself, please let today be the day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergie87 Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 "He stood there a lonely figure, offering no motivation or direction, looking as far removed from a leader of men as any football manager ever has." Scotland on Sunday on our Manager TC standing on the touch line on Saturday. What crisis??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 The thing I find most annoying is the utter contempt that the fans are being treated with. Craig is not and never was up to the job. Things go badly and we hear nothing from the board. Obviously what is being served by Craig is good enough for us. It's not. It's rubbish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Monkey Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 What pisses me off is that we keep hearing TC being called the 'cheap' option. Is he really on more than, say, Ian Murray would have been, had we recruited him? It's not like Tommy already had a two-year contract and we needed him to wind it down: likewise the two player-assistants. It wasn't the cheap option, it was the lazy option. A board that simply couldn't be arsed with the effort of looking for someone who actually had the desire, drive, ability and track record to make our club do anything other than plummet hideously. f**king disgrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjerseybuddie Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Nolberto Solano has expressed an interest in managing in Scotland. From Peru to Paisley, accompanied by his wife Lima Lane. That would be an interesting appointment. Risky, no doubt, but surely no worse than now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Is he STILL f*cking here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TediousTom Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 What pisses me off is that we keep hearing TC being called the 'cheap' option. Is he really on more than, say, Ian Murray would have been, had we recruited him? It's not like Tommy already had a two-year contract and we needed him to wind it down: likewise the two player-assistants. It wasn't the cheap option, it was the lazy option. A board that simply couldn't be arsed with the effort of looking for someone who actually had the desire, drive, ability and track record to make our club do anything other than plummet hideously. f**king disgrace. Sorry to pee you off but it clearly was the cheap option. Thomas Craig was already an employee of the club and as such Mr Craig would only have been given a slight wage increase when promoted to the role of manager. Likewise with Mr Teale and Mr Goodwin, both already employees of the club so an adjustment (if any) would have been made to the salaries collected by both gentlemen. As such no new wages incurred by the club and as such the deal can be seen as the cheap option and as such I felt the need to point this out to you and as such I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 This says it all about our ?manager? Post match comments after yet another non scoring defeat. But Craig said his players' performance has boosted his confidence as they gear up for Sunday's trip to Celtic Park. "I can base my whole week on what the players gave me on Saturday," he said. "Not one shirked out, not one player did not want the ball and to that end, I was pleased." I'm glad you were bluddy pleased Craig! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 (edited) Not shirking out, making an effort, and 'showing a desire' etc should be a fcuking given - in any sporting team. That should be the bare minimum, soccer, ice hockey, rugby, whatever. Trying to trumpet those (in a twenty minute second half spell?) as some sort of corner being turned is a joke. I was on the computer at 9am sharp to get U2 tickets, I hoped the other thing happening at 9am today would be Tommy doing a Stuart McCall. Edited December 8, 2014 by pozbaird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Monkey Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Sorry to pee you off but it clearly was the cheap option. Thomas Craig was already an employee of the club and as such Mr Craig would only have been given a slight wage increase when promoted to the role of manager. Likewise with Mr Teale and Mr Goodwin, both already employees of the club so an adjustment (if any) would have been made to the salaries collected by both gentlemen. As such no new wages incurred by the club and as such the deal can be seen as the cheap option and as such I felt the need to point this out to you and as such I did. I beg to differ. Teale, Goodwin and Craig were all out of contract in the summer. All we had to do was not renew those contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Zo Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 TC's daughter lives in London so while the player's are enjoying a christmas night out in Manchester he will be visiting his daughter in London not necessarily scouting for players as he claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ McG Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 TC's daughter lives in London so while the player's are enjoying a christmas night out in Manchester he will be visiting his daughter in London not necessarily scouting for players as he claims. I wonder if he is taking his white bit of paper with the 4 names on it with him, he can start waving it about in London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I wonder if he is taking his white bit of paper with the 4 names on it with him, he can start waving it about in London. That was the address. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I don't really think a two year deal is an absurdly long contract, I remember we had Tom Hendrie on a five year deal! It is unusual for a manager to be so incompetent that he clearly has to be moved on so soon in to a contract however. Moved on he will need to be though! Motherwell had about 60 serious applicants for the job, hopefully we will get rid of Tommy today, put Gary Teale in charge for the Celtic game and then have a new man in charge on the Monday. That Motherwell clash in two weeks is a real six pointer, we can't be going in to it with the current shambles of a set up. Yes Well game is far more than a 6 pointer. They play County Sat, we play Tic. so regardless we are in shit, then we play Well if/When we lose that is say goodnight to SPFL. Our problem is simple, its not TC , its not his dreadful signings or lack of tactics, its the BOD, they have looked at cheap option for last 20 years but finally they have no Plan B. They cant pay off TC, cost them 90k, they then need a new manager, a decent one would be 100k, up and coming 60k, so that's 150k, then to stay up we need new players, that will cost. In all I reckon 250k might give us a fighting chance. Well will not be down with us, they have a plan, vision and some new funding, County have the ability to always do better after Jan, we get worse. We usually pick up our points now. This will be some turn around. TC has lost 13 times , 3 draws, and 3 wins, that's a 17% win rate, Danny never did worse than 31%, his best was 39%. You have to gpo back to 1990 to David Hay and the joke we were then. The BOD have put Saints in this position, they protect their money, no ambition, no plan, no reason to support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blcknwhte_lj Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Completely depressed with the whole situation. Every Monday I find myself checking the forum and the sport websites in the hope of some anouncement of a managerial change. I cannot afford a season ticket but I go along and support when time and money permits, however i have completely stopped going now. I am no longer willing to give money to the current regime. I do feel sorry for the season ticket holders who may feel like they would like to do something else with their Saturdays in the current form but have already payed their money. Something has to change and soon, our support is currently being put in a shite position and unless a takeover is imminent the change needs to be the manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ McG Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Expect nothing to happen today again..... The rudderless ship will continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrong Planet Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Yes Well game is far more than a 6 pointer. They play County Sat, we play Tic. so regardless we are in shit, then we play Well if/When we lose that is say goodnight to SPFL. Our problem is simple, its not TC , its not his dreadful signings or lack of tactics, its the BOD, they have looked at cheap option for last 20 years but finally they have no Plan B. They cant pay off TC, cost them 90k, they then need a new manager, a decent one would be 100k, up and coming 60k, so that's 150k, then to stay up we need new players, that will cost. In all I reckon 250k might give us a fighting chance. Well will not be down with us, they have a plan, vision and some new funding, County have the ability to always do better after Jan, we get worse. We usually pick up our points now. This will be some turn around. TC has lost 13 times , 3 draws, and 3 wins, that's a 17% win rate, Danny never did worse than 31%, his best was 39%. You have to gpo back to 1990 to David Hay and the joke we were then. The BOD have put Saints in this position, they protect their money, no ambition, no plan, no reason to support. Leaving the cups to one side (since we have crashed out of both this season!), and simply for interest, here's how TC stacks up to DL in terms of the league so far (obviously TC has only been in charge for 15 games so the comparison is inconclusive). League Manager Season Position Points Won Drawn Lost Goal Diff Win% Draw% Lose% Points Gap to 6th DL 2010/2011 11th 33 8 9 21 -24 21.1% 23.7% 55.3% 16 DL 2011/2012 8th 43 9 16 13 -12 23.7% 42.1% 34.2% 7 DL 2012/2013* 11th 41 9 14 15 -13 23.7% 36.8% 39.5% 6 DL 2013/2014** 8th 39 10 9 19 -19 26.3% 23.7% 50.0% 14 TC 2014/2015*** 11th 8 2 2 11 -16 13.3% 13.3% 73.3% 13 * No Rangers ** No Rangers / Hearts deducted 15 points *** No Rangers / No Hearts / No Hibs TC's stats speak for themselves, but what is more interesting (possibly) is that it could be argued that this is weakest top tier in a generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I wonder if he is taking his white bit of paper with the 4 names on it with him, he can start waving it about in London.In harrods, it's his Xmas shopping list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svard svard Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 TC's daughter lives in London so while the player's are enjoying a christmas night out in Manchester he will be visiting his daughter in London not necessarily scouting for players as he claims.Players do not deserve a night out things like these should be earned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whydowebother Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Is he still our manager ? Please some start a new Tommy has gone thread at some point today Ps I don't mean shopping or to London Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsons dropped it Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I wonder if he is taking his white bit of paper with the 4 names on it with him, he can start waving it about in London. Looks like we are in business for the new players..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I wonder if he is taking his white bit of paper with the 4 names on it with him, he can start waving it about in London. Ah yes , the old bit of paper with 4 names on it bullshit ! Now , where did i put that bit of paper with the names of four supermodels who knocked me back ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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