Mid Calder Saint Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Stewart Gilmour always takes over these meetings he won't let anyone else on the board speak ! and your probably right it will be the same old story !! We'll see ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 He wasn't hounded out. His contract ended and the Board decided not to renew his contract. He did not quit and he was not fired so his leaving was not a result of fan power. It was definitely time for a change, but the way it was handled was atrocious. And there were plenty on here hounding him - 'fan power' certainly had an effect on the BoDs decision. Wish it would do so now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Stewart Gilmour always takes over these meetings he won't let anyone else on the board speak ! and your probably right it will be the same old story !! We'll see ! Well, the shareholders have the right to ask direct questions of any Board member. Don't let SG hog the floor if you want another one to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windae cleaner Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 It was definitely time for a change, but the way it was handled was atrocious. And there were plenty on here hounding him - 'fan power' certainly had an effect on the BoDs decision. Wish it would do so now! I don't think it was fan power that got Lennon the sack His poor judgement in signings did our BOD like value for money If it was up to fan power how is TC still in a job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) Lifted aff the BBC gossip column "Chic Charnley insists his former club St Mirren must sack manager Tommy Craig or they will be relegated from the Premiership this season. (Various)" Well Chic does have a unique insight because our lot improved dramatically the day we sacked that wage thief! Edited November 25, 2014 by Lord Pityme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Monkey Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 According to the piece in the Record today, Tommy Craig is shaping up to be our worst manager since Davie Hay. Davie. Fúcking. Hay. ST MIRREN have got off to their worst start to a league season for 23 years – and back then they were relegated from the top flight. Chic Charnley was part of that side in 1991 and he claims the club’s board now have to choose between sacking manager Tommy Craig and playing Championship football next year. Craig’s side has racked up only eight points from 14 Premiership games – only marginally better than their record when Davie Hay’s men won only one of their first 19 league fixtures. Look at what Hay's tenure preceded: years in the wilderness. We have to act now, because it can barely be worse. A new manager might not see us relegated, but Tommy Craig definitely will. You've got to play the percentages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 According to the piece in the Record today, Tommy Craig is shaping up to be our worst manager since Davie Hay. Davie. Fúcking. Hay. Look at what Hay's tenure preceded: years in the wilderness. We have to act now, because it can barely be worse. A new manager might not see us relegated, but Tommy Craig definitely will. You've got to play the percentages. Let's beat Caley first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irate-Pirate Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 When D*vie H*y starts getting mentioned you know things are beyond grim. If things keep going as they are, H*y will start to look like a genius compared to Craig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Charnley's full interview here .... http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/charnley-saints-must-sack-tommy-craig-to-stay-up-1-3614817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 What's Charnley doing these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedflanders123 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I don't think it was fan power that got Lennon the sack His poor judgement in signings did our BOD like value for money If it was up to fan power how is TC still in a job[/quot I don't think it was fan power that got Lennon the sack His poor judgement in signings did our BOD like value for money If it was up to fan power how is TC still in a job Again, Danny was not sacked. His contract was not renewed. I agree the Board did not handle the situation and only Danny emerged with any credit. Fans played no part in the decision but can do so now. Hiring Craig on a 2 year contract was madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie-dee Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 What's Charnley doing these days? Last I heard he was assitant manager to Jim Duffy at Clyde and the kitman for C@ltic. but that was a couple of years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie88 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 When D*vie H*y starts getting mentioned you know things are beyond grim. If things keep going as they are, H*y will start to look like a genius compared to Craig. When you sit and watch amateurish pish like I and many others did on Saturday, that's when you know things are beyond grim. I can't believe Tommy has survived after that performance and interview. He looked clueless and out of his depth!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 What's Charnley doing these days? Drinking heavily most probably ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ McG Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Charnley's full interview here .... http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/charnley-saints-must-sack-tommy-craig-to-stay-up-1-3614817 He's absolutely spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 What's Charnley doing these days? I take it you would rather take a potshot at Charnley as a man than try and argue with the point he is making? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ McG Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 There an excellent piece in the herald as well, I'm not quite sure how to share the link though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I take it you would rather take a potshot at Charnley as a man than try and argue with the point he is making? Was actually just wondering what he's doing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) Why? Do you think he might do a better job than Reilly in midfield? He certainly would have got more from Imrie and Harkins had he been manager or coach. Don't anyone tell me that all signings previously were down to DL. TC was part of those decisions and because players like those did not fit into our "football philosophy" they did not play. TC must go now. You want Charnley to be our new manager? The signings we know TC was involved in was Conor Newton, Adam Campbell and Paul Dummett. It was him who set up the link with Newcastle. The rest we simply don't know the level of his involvement. I take it you partly blame the coaching of Gary Teale and Jim Goodwin for our failings this season? Edited November 25, 2014 by TopCat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/gunning-for-tommy-in-paisley.25960148 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/gunning-for-tommy-in-paisley.25960148 Who wrote that article? And you going to hold your hands up for your blunder in the Accies thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 No. However I'd sooner have someone like Tam Turner type character in charge than Tam Craig. Someone with drive, energy, passion and hunger. Someone capable of fixing the major holes in our team. Certainly not someone who was a major part of the problems of the last few seasons. The real failure is the decision by the BoD to appoint him. If you think setting and then matching a generation league high record in two of the last three seasons, and winning a title in the other is 'major problems' .... Then you have higher expectations than me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Any chance someone could cut and paste the Herald story as I have exceeded my free views and refuse to pay for a newspaper any more (except the National!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blcknwhte_lj Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Gunning for Tommy in Paisley Tommy Craig's St Mirren are the only side in British senior football to not yet have kept a clean sheet. Picture: SNS Tuesday 25 November 2014 ST MIRREN are in danger of slipping into a self-induced coma. DON'T PANIC: Tommy Craig's St Mirren are the only side in British senior football to not yet have kept a clean sheet. Picture: SNS Struggling on the pitch and stagnating off it, they have become a club simply drifting along to no evident purpose. It has left fans disenfranchised and disillusioned as they watch their team thrash about helplessly towards the foot of the SPFL Premiership, with the club's board of directors seemingly reluctant to intervene in an ever worsening scenario. The shareholders among the support will not hold back when they convene at St Mirren Park tomorrow for what should one of the fieriest annual general meetings of recent times. There were eyebrows raised when Tommy Craig was appointed as manager in the summer and there has been little subsequent evidence to suggest it was a masterstroke that the rest of Scottish football just couldn't see. In his only previous managerial role, Craig lasted just five months in charge of Charleroi before the Belgians "decided to end this experiment" after he lost 14 out of 19 games, only just avoiding relegation. His luck hasn't turned for the better since graduating from Danny Lennon's assistant to his successor, St Mirren having lost 10 of their first 14 league matches to slump to second bottom of the table. Craig has tended to focus on his team's shortcomings in attack but they have been no great shakes defensively either. It is a particularly damning statistic that St Mirren are the only team from the eight divisions of senior British football yet to record a clean sheet this season. Craig's old-school, brusque manner in the face of adversity means sympathy for his plight is in short supply. Those supporters present at Saturday's defeat away to Hamilton Academical - a third sucessive loss without a goal - did not hold back in venting their displeasure. Craig's response was to shrug it off, to burrow deeper into his bunker and insist that he will plough on regardless. "Nothing at all," was his response to a question about whether he had any message for the beleaguered supporters. It is a stance in stark contrast to Lennon who, during the difficult times, would at least apologise profusely, the frustration etched right across his face. Social media and fans forums have been awash with St Mirren supporters calling for Craig to be removed from office before it is too late. Those pleas have fallen on deaf ears, with reports suggesting there are no plans to change the manager at this juncture. Given the St Mirren board's reluctance to launch a thorough, extensive search for Lennon's replacement in the summer, it is difficult to see them having any great desire to do so just five months later. There has been little interaction of late between chairman Stewart Gilmour and the club's supporters on his Twitter feed but he will have little choice but to face them tomorrow night. The last time they met at a Q&A session in September Gilmour described those panicking about the direction the club was moving in as "knicker-wetters", vowed "we will come through this" and said he had confronted those he described as "keyboard warriors". It was the sort of fighting spirit desperately lacking in his team's recent performances. The backdrop to this growing antipathy between directors, managers and supporters is the proposed sale of the club. It is now five years since a coterie of directors put their combined 52% shareholding on the market and despite regular but fleeting enquiries from interested parties they are no closer to selling up. Credited with saving St Mirren from oblivion with their takeover in 1998, most of the selling consortium have long since distanced themselves from the daily toil of running a football club and want out. The mirage on the horizon that someone one day might take the club off their hands perhaps explains a reluctance to delve into anything that might have financial repercussions; the indecision over Lennon's future last season, the decision not to look outside the club for his successor, the meagre refurbishment of the playing squad, the hesitation to call time on Craig's troubled tenure. There has also been a reluctance to accept external investment in the club, a move that would dilute the selling consortium's position of strength. The St Mirren Independent Supporters Association (SMISA), having been repeatedly rebuffed in their offers to purchase unissued shares, have had to turn to other minority shareholders to increase their stake, their money going to private individuals rather than to the club itself as they would prefer. The board's "sit tight and hope for the best" strategy, however, is unlikely to work forever. Apathy is rife among the support. The uptake of corporate hospitality has plummeted, while ticket sales for Saturday's William Hill Scottish Cup tie against Inverness Caledonian Thistle - a game not on the season book - look certain to suffer from an unofficial boycott, with fewer than 100 home fans said to have so far confirmed their attendance. The spectre of relegation looms large, an outcome that would hugely damage any prospect of the club ever being sold. Dismissing Craig would cost money but it would be much lower than the price of lower-league football for a season if not more. Something, eventually, has to give Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbar_bud Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 look certain to suffer from an unofficial boycott, with fewer than 100 home fans said to have so far confirmed their attendance. This would certainly send a message if true, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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