div Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I can't be there on Saturday as I've a works day away in Edinburgh which has long been planned. If I was available I daresay I'd head along, purely because it's better than going to Braehead or Silverburn which would be the most likely alternatives. I will go to every home league game, but I can't see me going to many aways under TC. When it ceases to be enjoyable and it's expensive and takes up a big part of the weekend then it's an easy decision to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edinbuddie Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 The last 2 posts say it all. I'm not boycotting either, but neither am I going to knock back invites to other events on the basis that I'll be going to see St Mirren. And I've lived most of my adult life doing just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I'm taking my Granddaughters to Arran to see Santa arriving.It'll cost me a lot more than the fitba but there's the chance I'll enjoy myself. http://www.visitscotland.com/info/events/homecoming-scotland-2014-santas-sparkle-p867261 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
band for life Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Divs right, TC's record has been dreadful. Although he can legitimately use the current injuries as some kind of excuse at the moment the fact is that every player except Steven T was available in the first half dozen or so games and we were just as bad then. The statistics are shocking, goals for and against and the fact that we have only picked up 1 point at home. We are not quite detached from the pack and that, I suspect,is his saving grace in the boardroom as is the cheerio cheque we would have to find from somewhere.What really irritates me is his patronising post match comments that suggest that there is light at the end of what has been a very long tunnel and the fans should be patient. I have supported St Mirren for a very long time and even my superhuman reserves of patience are at breaking point. His latest bizarre team selection suggests that blind panic is now the order of the day as you just do not throw in young lads into a relegation battle, especially when there is very little in terms of experience already in the team. To call this a shambles is an understatement. He is in his 4th season at the club and so far has got every big decision wrong. This week is make or break. I genuinely hope he wins and it is the kick start we need. Then again .......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I think there were genuine splits of opinion at the end of both Gus and Danny's reign as manager. Both those managers could boast tangible success during their time in charge. Gus took us from first division also rans to champions within 2 seasons and then established us in the top flight with reasonable cup success in the shape of two quarter finals, a semi final and the final we don't talk about. I really rated him, but his relationship with the fans was frosty at best and he was given more resources than any other Saints manager in recent times. We still went on long winless runs during his time as gaffer and we stayed up by the skin of our teeth sometimes. Danny came in and it's fair to say his first season was an abject disaster, completely under estimating what was required in the premier league. He could easily have been punted in that season but we managed to just about survive and the next couple of seasons were pretty enjoyable with the cup win being the pinnacle. Operating on a smaller budget he did fairly well and he brought through a number of young players. Again though we constantly struggled in the league and went on long winless runs. I don't sense much of a split in opinion when it comes to Tommy Craig, Tommy has had a disasterous start as manager, I don't think anyone could seriously defend his record given the poor performances we have had to endure, the lack of goals, the horrendous defensive mistakes and the plain downright shambolic nature of his team selections and substitutions. In his defence he has had a lot of injury concerns to deal with, but aside from the very first game of the season away at Motherwell I have yet to see us turn in a decent 90 minute performance under his management. I think he will probably be given until the end of the year to try and turn it around as there appears to be sympathy in the boardroom about that injury situation but I guess the situation is fluid. A shocking turnout on Saturday coupled with a heavy defeat by ICT might accelerate things, as might any imminent deal to sell the club. It's all thoroughly depressing. Ah, the mythical imminent sale of the club. Contracts to be signed in Brigadoon, while sailing on the Marie Celeste throwing bread out for Nessie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WirralSaint Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Judging by so many of the replies right now could be a real watershed for our future support....lifelong Saints fans just having had the heart ripped out of them with the ineptness of the last few months and just not wanting to watch more of the same.Many of these will take kids....many kids will maybe have cried enough having seen just 3 goals and not a single win......even the real core support is starting to dwindle and that sort of passion and commitment over the years and enthusiasm they pass on to others will be very very hard to replace. ....and yet those in charge sit on their hands just waiting and hoping for the best. Did anyone else notice Tommy's successor at Charleroi got as many points in their first 6 games as he did in his 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Did anyone else notice Tommy's successor at Charleroi got as many points in their first 6 games as he did in his 19 Is he available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfellow Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 The last 2 posts say it all. I'm not boycotting either, but neither am I going to knock back invites to other events on the basis that I'll be going to see St Mirren. And I've lived most of my adult life doing just that. Feel exactly the same. For the last 47 years I have attended , I reckon , 95% of our matches home and away, sometimes 100%. I'm not quite sad enough to miss Weddings, Funerals etc and have missed the occasional game because of work . I even try , not always successfully, to organise holidays around games. That has caused a lot of friction at home and lots of things have been missed because of my obsession. I have witnessed the dreadful early seventies and the poor nineties.. This however is the worst I've felt . Having said that Danny's four years apart from one thing were poor as well but not as bad as this. I really lost interest at Hamilton on Saturday. That has never happened before. I do not blame the manager or players . He and most of the players are out of their depth but they were employed by us and have rights. The blame lies with those who run the club . I applaud the BOD for getting us out of debt. They have been successful in that . They have however spent the money we do have foolishly and made poor decisions and thats why we are where we are. I also dont think our infrastructure is all it should be . Our youth and commercial set ups appear inadequate to me although I'm no expert so maybe I'm being unfair. We really have not developed at all since coming up 9 years ago. I sense an apathy around the club and a staleness at all levels. That needs a major shake up . At previous AGMs there has been a smugness from Mr Gilmour. It will be interesting to see if that continues tomorrow. Perhaps St.Mirren has been too big a part of my life but whats happening now is a huge kick in the teeth . I feel pissed off and helpless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murray street Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Tommy should be tough and ruthless, but he is rough and toothless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Here's what the Chairman of Peteborough has tweeted about his team and manager (Darren Ferguson) after yesterday's defeat. I wonder what the Saints Directors tweeted when they left earlier or what SG was taking time out to calmly consider... "I apologize to Posh fans as I can`t defend management setting up for a 0-0 at home, nor defend at 0-2 down waiting until the 72nd minute to bring on our leading goalscorer/attacking players. Nor can I defend the players waiting until they are 2-0 down before playing with an attacking mentality. "I have given them all patience and nurturing support non-stopm but now is the time for a different approach. Not good enough, my apoolgies! I mean I`ve been nice/supportive with players and it`s time for me to be different." Well indeed, you also see Steven Presseley's interview where he is raging at the effort of his players and compare it to Tommy Craig gibbering away after the Hamilton match claiming he put the right team out and feels perfectly fine. On the bright side, he has done the impossible and finally made everyone on this forum agree on something! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Tommy should be tough and ruthless, but he is rough and toothless. He is, that's why he's not walking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhiteman Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 after five plus years of gradual decline and apathy being generated from the boardroom and the last straw for many life long fans is that they are finally being forced out the habit of attending games My fear is that our fan base and future attendances will never recover from this current plight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jake Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 after five plus years of gradual decline and apathy being generated from the boardroom and the last straw for many life long fans is that they are finally being forced out the habit of attending games My fear is that our fan base and future attendances will never recover from this current plight Absolutely. Just like going to games was a habit, not going will become a habit for many. Any future board will have a massive task on their hands enticing the fans back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Yards Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I think there has been decline since Gus was manager not just from Danny's reign. some of the teams Danny had played the best stuff we've seen in decades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alansaint Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 When danny really needed a result invariably he got one. Aberdeen at home last year after a tommy like start we dug out a point then won three out of five or something. No chance of that with tommy. We played killie away in September with. Wylde, Goodwin, mcginn, Osborne, Plummer all playing and we were pants. Do t let the injury list fool you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintargyll Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 after five plus years of gradual decline and apathy being generated from the boardroom and the last straw for many life long fans is that they are finally being forced out the habit of attending games My fear is that our fan base and future attendances will never recover from this current plight highest league finish and a cup win isnt a decline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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