zurich_allan Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Might be simpler to put drivers through a medical with their occ health provider? I know what you mean, but the problem is that a medical might not flag up a problem like blackouts that may happen once every couple of years, so perhaps wouldn't prevent another situation like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 There must be literally thousands of folk in the UK looking at this inquiry and thinking , I shouldn't be driving, hell , I'll fess up and make myself redundant tomorrow, it'll never happen, so , unfortunately, until the next time............... I doubt they'll be thinking that to be honest. Infact I doubt that many people will even recognise what sort of medical conditions should be reported to the DVLA. Taken from the DVLA website this is the list. AAcoustic neuroma Addison’s disease Agoraphobia AIDS Alcohol problems Alzheimer’s disease Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis - see Motor Neurone Disease Amputations Aneurysm Angina Angioma Angioplasty Ankylosing spondylitis Anorexia nervosa - see Eating disorders Anxiety Arachnoid cyst Arnold-Chiari malformation Arrhythmia Arteriovenous malformation Arthritis Asperger syndrome Ataxia Attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) Autistic spectrum disorders (ASD) BBalloon angioplasty (leg) Bipolar disorder Blackouts Blepharospasm Blood clots Blood pressure Brachial plexus injury Brain abscess, cyst or encephalitis Brain angioma - see Angioma Brain haemorrhage Brain injury (traumatic) Brain tumours Branch retinal vein occlusion Broken limbs and driving Burr hole surgery CCaesarean section Cancer Cataracts Catheter ablation Cardiac problems Carotid artery stenosis Cataplexy Cerebral palsy Chronic aortic dissection Cognitive problems Congenital heart disease Convulsions Coronary artery bypass or disease Coronary angioplasty Cystic fibrosis DDeafness Defibrillator Déjà vu Dementia Depression Diabetes Dilated cardiomyopathy Diplopia (double vision) Dizziness Drug misuse EEating disorders Empyema (brain) Epilepsy Essential tremor FFainting - see Blackouts Fits - see Seizures Fractured skull - see Head injury Friedrich’s ataxia - see Ataxia GGiddiness (recurring) Glaucoma Global amnesia - see Transient global amnesia Grand mal fits Guillain-Barré syndrome HHead injury Heart attack Heart arrhythmia - see Arrhythmia Heart failure Heart murmurs Heart palpitations Hemianopia High blood pressure HIV Hodgkin’s lymphoma Huntington’s disease Hydrocephalus Hypertension - see High blood pressure Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy Hypoglycaemia Hypoxic brain damage Hysterectomy IIntracerebral haemorrhage Ischaemic heart disease KKidney dialysis Kidney problems Korsakoff’s syndrome LLabyrinthitis Learning difficulties Left bundle branch block Leukaemia Lewy body dementia Limb disability Lumboperitoneal shunt Lung cancer Lymphoma MMacular degeneration Malignant brain tumours - see Brain tumours Malignant melanoma Manic depressive psychosis - see Bipolar disorder Marfan syndrome Medulloblastoma Memory problems (severe) Meningioma ‘Mini-stroke’ - see Transient ischaemic attack (TIA) Monocular vision Motor neurone disease Multiple sclerosis Myasthenia gravis Myocardial infarction - see Heart attack Myoclonus NNarcolepsy Night blindness Nystagmus OObsessive compulsive disorder Obstructive sleep apnoea syndrome Optic atrophy Optic neuritis PPacemakers Palpitations - see Heart palpitations Paranoia - see Paranoid schizophrenia Paranoid schizophrenia Paraplegia Parkinson’s disease Peripheral arterial disease Peripheral neuropathy Personality disorder Petit mal seizures Pituitary tumour Post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) Psychosis Psychotic depression RRenal dialysis - see Kidney dialysis Retinal treatment Retinopathy SSchizo-affective disorder Schizophrenia Scotoma Seizures Sight in one eye only - see Monocular vision Sleep apnoea Sleepiness (excessive daytime) Spinal problems and injuries and driving Stroke Subarachnoid haemorrhage Syncope - see Blackouts TTachycardia Temporal lobe epilepsy - see Epilepsy Tourette’s syndrome Transient global amnesia Transient ischaemic attack (TIA) Tunnel vision UUsher syndrome VValve disease or replacement valve Vertigo Vision in one eye only - see Monocular vision Visual acuity (reduced) Visual field defects VP shunts WWolff-Parkinson-White syndrome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Might be simpler to put drivers through a medical with their occ health provider? Over 65, I had my ANNUAL mandatory medical check last week. Cost would be the issue that prevented it from happening before now. GPs charge for these medical reports - rightly so IMO. I've no idea what the current rate is but 10 years ago it was £80 per report. It's not likely to have gotten cheaper. £120 from my GP, so like most professional drivers, I use a cheaper service.. Where I pay someone online £50 and I go to a Container in a car park, a room in a community centre in an Essex village, or a big Self-storage centre to meet a strange Doctor who will do the job and sign off the form. I know what you mean, but the problem is that a medical might not flag up a problem like blackouts that may happen once every couple of years, so perhaps wouldn't prevent another situation like this.I wholly agree. It's a form-filling, jobsworth exercise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 (edited) It's a form-filling, jobsworth exercise. On a serious note, imagine working in a job like that. Knowing that every day your job simply benefits nobody and that if you stopped working absolutely nobody anywhere in the world would care. That would be my absolute worst nightmare TBH. I think we have swathes of the population working in these sorts of non-jobs. It's hard not to feel a huge degree of sympathy for people like Dicko. Work must be intolerable. Edited August 8, 2015 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 On a serious note, imagine working in a job like that. Knowing that every day your job simply benefits nobody and that if you stopped working absolutely nobody anywhere in the world would care. That would be my absolute worst nightmare TBH. I think we have swathes of the population working in these sorts of non-jobs. It's hard not to feel a huge degree of sympathy for people like Dicko. Work must be intolerable. I put that to last year's doctor.His reply was that his wife liked expensive bags and that this was his way of satisfying that need. (On the other hand... unbidden, he offered me very useful advice on a non-related health matter. As well as form-filling, he was also an aware doctor.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Penis enlargement? FFS, who hasn't had that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 9, 2015 Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 FFS, who hasn't had that? Me. I've never seen the need. Many people I have met over the years have told me I am the biggest penis they've ever known.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 One related theme - Crown Office decide to not prosecute bus driver with history of blackouts who crashed killing a colleague http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/13584438.Crown_Office__blackout_bus_driver_who_killed_colleague_will_not_be_prosecuted/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) I doubt they'll be thinking that to be honest. Infact I doubt that many people will even recognise what sort of medical conditions should be reported to the DVLA. Taken from the DVLA website this is the list. A Acoustic neuroma Addisons disease Agoraphobia AIDS Alcohol problems Alzheimers disease Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis - see Motor Neurone Disease Amputations Aneurysm Angina Angioma Angioplasty Ankylosing spondylitis Anorexia nervosa - see Eating disorders Anxiety Arachnoid cyst Arnold-Chiari malformation Arrhythmia Arteriovenous malformation Arthritis Asperger syndrome Ataxia Attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) Autistic spectrum disorders (ASD) B Balloon angioplasty (leg) Bipolar disorder Blackouts Blepharospasm Blood clots Blood pressure Brachial plexus injury Brain abscess, cyst or encephalitis Brain angioma - see Angioma Brain haemorrhage Brain injury (traumatic) Brain tumours Branch retinal vein occlusion Broken limbs and driving Burr hole surgery C Caesarean section Cancer Cataracts Catheter ablation Cardiac problems Carotid artery stenosis Cataplexy Cerebral palsy Chronic aortic dissection Cognitive problems Congenital heart disease Convulsions Coronary artery bypass or disease Coronary angioplasty Cystic fibrosis D Deafness Defibrillator Déjà vu Dementia Depression Diabetes Dilated cardiomyopathy Diplopia (double vision) Dizziness Drug misuse E Eating disorders Empyema (brain) Epilepsy Essential tremor F Fainting - see Blackouts Fits - see Seizures Fractured skull - see Head injury Friedrichs ataxia - see Ataxia G Giddiness (recurring) Glaucoma Global amnesia - see Transient global amnesia Grand mal fits Guillain-Barré syndrome H Head injury Heart attack Heart arrhythmia - see Arrhythmia Heart failure Heart murmurs Heart palpitations Hemianopia High blood pressure HIV Hodgkins lymphoma Huntingtons disease Hydrocephalus Hypertension - see High blood pressure Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy Hypoglycaemia Hypoxic brain damage Hysterectomy I Intracerebral haemorrhage Ischaemic heart disease K Kidney dialysis Kidney problems Korsakoffs syndrome L Labyrinthitis Learning difficulties Left bundle branch block Leukaemia Lewy body dementia Limb disability Lumboperitoneal shunt Lung cancer Lymphoma M Macular degeneration Malignant brain tumours - see Brain tumours Malignant melanoma Manic depressive psychosis - see Bipolar disorder Marfan syndrome Medulloblastoma Memory problems (severe) Meningioma Mini-stroke - see Transient ischaemic attack (TIA) Monocular vision Motor neurone disease Multiple sclerosis Myasthenia gravis Myocardial infarction - see Heart attack Myoclonus N Narcolepsy Night blindness Nystagmus O Obsessive compulsive disorder Obstructive sleep apnoea syndrome Optic atrophy Optic neuritis P Pacemakers Palpitations - see Heart palpitations Paranoia - see Paranoid schizophrenia Paranoid schizophrenia Paraplegia Parkinsons disease Peripheral arterial disease Peripheral neuropathy Personality disorder Petit mal seizures Pituitary tumour Post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) Psychosis Psychotic depression R Renal dialysis - see Kidney dialysis Retinal treatment Retinopathy S Schizo-affective disorder Schizophrenia Scotoma Seizures Sight in one eye only - see Monocular vision Sleep apnoea Sleepiness (excessive daytime) Spinal problems and injuries and driving Stroke Subarachnoid haemorrhage Syncope - see Blackouts T Tachycardia Temporal lobe epilepsy - see Epilepsy Tourettes syndrome Transient global amnesia Transient ischaemic attack (TIA) Tunnel vision U Usher syndrome V Valve disease or replacement valve Vertigo Vision in one eye only - see Monocular vision Visual acuity (reduced) Visual field defects VP shunts W Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome It's not that straightforward. For example, diabetes doesn't necessarily need to be reported. Can't speak for any of the others listed but, as usual, you only present half of the story. Edited August 10, 2015 by salmonbuddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 It's not that straightforward. For example, diabetes doesn't necessarily need to be reported. Can't speak for any of the others listed but, as usual, you only present half of the story. And how the f*ck can you report 'blood pressure'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FS Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) Insulin controlled diabetes needs to be reported and you must renew your licence backed with a lengthy medical report form, signed by your doctor before being given a new 3 yr licence. That's what I've had to do since receiving a small amount of insulin for my type 2 treatment. Prior to that, just on tablets and np need to declare. Edited August 10, 2015 by FS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) I doubt they'll be thinking that to be honest. Infact I doubt that many people will even recognise what sort of medical conditions should be reported to the DVLA. Taken from the DVLA website this is the list.AAcoustic neuroma Addison’s disease Agoraphobia AIDS Alcohol problems Alzheimer’s disease Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis - see Motor Neurone Disease Amputations Aneurysm Angina Angioma Angioplasty Ankylosing spondylitis Anorexia nervosa - see Eating disorders Anxiety Arachnoid cyst Arnold-Chiari malformation Arrhythmia Arteriovenous malformation Arthritis Asperger syndrome Ataxia Attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) Autistic spectrum disorders (ASD)BBalloon angioplasty (leg) Bipolar disorder Blackouts Blepharospasm Blood clots Blood pressure Brachial plexus injury Brain abscess, cyst or encephalitis Brain angioma - see Angioma Brain haemorrhage Brain injury (traumatic) Brain tumours Branch retinal vein occlusion Broken limbs and driving Burr hole surgeryCCaesarean section Cancer Cataracts Catheter ablation Cardiac problems Carotid artery stenosis Cataplexy Cerebral palsy Chronic aortic dissection Cognitive problems Congenital heart disease Convulsions Coronary artery bypass or disease Coronary angioplasty Cystic fibrosisDDeafness Defibrillator Déjà vu Dementia Depression Diabetes Dilated cardiomyopathy Diplopia (double vision) Dizziness Drug misuseEEating disorders Empyema (brain) Epilepsy Essential tremorFFainting - see Blackouts Fits - see Seizures Fractured skull - see Head injury Friedrich’s ataxia - see AtaxiaGGiddiness (recurring) Glaucoma Global amnesia - see Transient global amnesia Grand mal fits Guillain-Barré syndromeHHead injury Heart attack Heart arrhythmia - see Arrhythmia Heart failure Heart murmurs Heart palpitations Hemianopia High blood pressure HIV Hodgkin’s lymphoma Huntington’s disease Hydrocephalus Hypertension - see High blood pressure Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy Hypoglycaemia Hypoxic brain damage HysterectomyIIntracerebral haemorrhage Ischaemic heart diseaseKKidney dialysis Kidney problems Korsakoff’s syndromeLLabyrinthitis Learning difficulties Left bundle branch block Leukaemia Lewy body dementia Limb disability Lumboperitoneal shunt Lung cancer LymphomaMMacular degeneration Malignant brain tumours - see Brain tumours Malignant melanoma Manic depressive psychosis - see Bipolar disorder Marfan syndrome Medulloblastoma Memory problems (severe) Meningioma ‘Mini-stroke’ - see Transient ischaemic attack (TIA) Monocular vision Motor neurone disease Multiple sclerosis Myasthenia gravis Myocardial infarction - see Heart attack MyoclonusNNarcolepsy Night blindness NystagmusOObsessive compulsive disorder Obstructive sleep apnoea syndrome Optic atrophy Optic neuritisPPacemakers Palpitations - see Heart palpitations Paranoia - see Paranoid schizophrenia Paranoid schizophrenia Paraplegia Parkinson’s disease Peripheral arterial disease Peripheral neuropathy Personality disorder Petit mal seizures Pituitary tumour Post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) Psychosis Psychotic depressionRRenal dialysis - see Kidney dialysis Retinal treatment RetinopathySSchizo-affective disorder Schizophrenia Scotoma Seizures Sight in one eye only - see Monocular vision Sleep apnoea Sleepiness (excessive daytime) Spinal problems and injuries and driving Stroke Subarachnoid haemorrhage Syncope - see BlackoutsTTachycardia Temporal lobe epilepsy - see Epilepsy Tourette’s syndrome Transient global amnesia Transient ischaemic attack (TIA) Tunnel visionUUsher syndromeVValve disease or replacement valve Vertigo Vision in one eye only - see Monocular vision Visual acuity (reduced) Visual field defects VP shuntsWWolff-Parkinson-White syndrome Aye. Suffered at least 75% of those at the 2010 League Cup final whistle. Edited August 10, 2015 by pozbaird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Honest, it was a stutter and not a Déjà vu moment. What was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Insulin controlled diabetes needs to be reported and you must renew your licence backed with a lengthy medical report form, signed by your doctor before being given a new 3 yr licence. That's what I've had to do since receiving a small amount of insulin for my type 2 treatment. Prior to that, just on tablets and np need to declare. That's what I'm hoping to avoid, so far so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) It's not that straightforward. For example, diabetes doesn't necessarily need to be reported. Can't speak for any of the others listed but, as usual, you only present half of the story. That list was taken directly from the DVLA Medical webpage. https://www.gov.uk/health-conditions-and-driving Anyone with any of the conditions listed should click through on the link to see the more detailed definition. All the info was there. Anyway I would have thought you'd have had to have informed the DVLA about your learning difficulties..... Edited August 11, 2015 by Stuart Dickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 And again, deflection. You said that those conditions had to be reported to DVLA, I demonstrated that for at least one of them, you were incorrect. You were wrong. As for "learning difficulties", the fact that I can acknowledge when I make a mistake indicates no lack of education on my part, and an ability to learn. Can you say the same? Thought not, and your post exemplifies precisely what I mean. Ah well, at least my "learning difficulties" got me a well paid, cushy, office number - how's the plumbing industry these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosferatu Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) On a serious note, imagine working in a job like that. Knowing that every day your job simply benefits nobody and that if you stopped working absolutely nobody anywhere in the world would care. That would be my absolute worst nightmare TBH. I think we have swathes of the population working in these sorts of non-jobs. It's hard not to feel a huge degree of sympathy for people like Dicko. Work must be intolerable. Is Stuart a lecturer as well?Must be intolerable for you seeing as your own job is your own nightmare. Edited August 11, 2015 by nosferatu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 And again, deflection. You said that those conditions had to be reported to DVLA, I demonstrated that for at least one of them, you were incorrect. You were wrong. As for "learning difficulties", the fact that I can acknowledge when I make a mistake indicates no lack of education on my part, and an ability to learn. Can you say the same? Thought not, and your post exemplifies precisely what I mean. Ah well, at least my "learning difficulties" got me a well paid, cushy, office number - how's the plumbing industry these days? If you weren't so stupid you might have clicked on the link provided for the condition and saw what was actually there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Is Stuart a lecturer as well? Must be intolerable for you seeing as your own job is your own nightmare. : I work for a company that has lowered carbon emissions at a number of major FTSE 100 companies by over 40% since we started working with them. We've reduced their energy bills as a result we've increased their profit margins allowing many of those companies to not only retain staff during the economic downturn, but to also allow them to pay bonuses to staff based on the energy savings within their organisation. And we do all of this without cutting down a single tree, and without importing a single windmill from China. Poor Oaksoft. He once claimed that he was involved in the research and development of those wind turbines that have proved so inefficient. How worthless must his life feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) Is Stuart a lecturer as well? Must be intolerable for you seeing as your own job is your own nightmare. : I'm not a lecturer. TBH I don't know where I ever gave the impression that I was. Edited August 11, 2015 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) Poor Oaksoft. He once claimed that he was involved in the research and development of those wind turbines that have proved so inefficient. How worthless must his life feel. I have NEVER claimed to have been involved in the R&D of wind turbines. WTF is going on with you two today? One of you either show me where I've ever claimed either or STFU. Edited August 11, 2015 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 I have NEVER claimed to have been involved in the R&D of wind turbines. WTF is going on with you two today? One of you either show me where I've ever claimed either or STFU. You claimed to be a "scientist" and said you were involved in R&D with wind turbines and carbon capture. I pointed out to you that we already had perfectly good carbon capture machines that had been working for hundreds of thousands of years - trees - but that we were removing them to put these shitty wind turbines up. I did think you were an awfy weird scientist as you always seem closed to data that goes against your "decided" theory. I should have worked out that the extent of your scientific reasoning was knowing how much bicarbonate of soda to put down a toilet when cleaning the university lavatories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 You claimed to be a "scientist" and said you were involved in R&D with wind turbines and carbon capture. I pointed out to you that we already had perfectly good carbon capture machines that had been working for hundreds of thousands of years - trees - but that we were removing them to put these shitty wind turbines up. Show me where I said that? BTW trees don't capture carbon. They capture carbon dioxide. You reckon half of Brazil and much of Asia has been deforested so we can erect wind farms do you? A wee bit of education. Trees aren't the biggest sinks of carbon dioxide. Oceans are. It's why they are getting more acidic - excess carbon dioxide. It's why ocean warming is a potential disaster. Warming the seas by even a fraction releases vast quantities of that stored carbon dioxide. That's the runaway scenario which scientists are worried about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 And don't forget what the sea contains. Plankton which give off more carbon dioxide than all the farm animals in the world. f**k the oceans, drain them all I say. That would make the entire concept of the carbon dioxide cycle quite......complex and intricate then? FFS don't tell Dickson. He thinks it's all simple enough that he can comment with authority on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 That would make the entire concept of the carbon dioxide cycle quite......complex and intricate then? FFS don't tell Dickson. He thinks it's all simple enough that he can comment with authority on it. He's the George W Bush of B&W Army Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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