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Far be it for me to defend a Labour politician, but this article is only an opinion piece, and a rather jaundiced one at that when you consider that the Childrens Ward wouldn't have been at threat if it wasn't for the SNP led Scottish Government with completely devolved control of the Scottish NHS wanting to close it. :rolleyes:

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It's a bit rich any Labour politician taking credit for "defending the RAI" after they gerrymander the collapse of the old Argyll and Clyde health board, thus pretty much ensuring it will close completely in the long run (after the southern general death star is in place).

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Did they want to close it? Or was that NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde (or whatever it's called now)? Does the Scottish Government really take to do with these sort of things on a "daily basis"? I would have thought that it would have been left up to each individual health board to determine their own needs and how to fulfil them (working within the policies laid out for them). I could be wrong but that's how I thought it worked. If you have evidence to the contrary then post it and I'll accept that I was wrong.

Did that really sound good in your head before you posted it? Seriously?

Here is a decision within the completely and absolutely devolved Scottish NHS which clearly has political implications. The SNP are currently the Scottish Government and they have complete control of the Scottish NHS as they acknowledged time and time again during the referendum. Yet here you want to try claim that the SNP was not at all responsible for a decision being made to close a Childrens Ward in a crisis hit Scottish NHS Hospital which has hit the headlines time and time again in 2015 for buckling under the pressure, so much so that Nicola Sturgeon intervened on the 11th of February 2015 to send in support teams to try to prop up the failing hospital.

In January 2007 in North Lanarkshire we saw a classic example of how this works. Back then the Labour administration had presided over plans by NHS Lanarkshire to close one of the three A&E units under their control. After a long drawn out process they elected to close A&E at Monklands and this proved to be extremely unpopular around Airdrie and Coatbridge where it emerged that during rush hour traffic ambulances could not get from Monklands to Wishaw in any less than 45 minutes. As part of their electoral campaign Nicola Sturgeon pledged that if the SNP won the Scottish Election they would keep the unit open. It probably won the 2008 election for them given that it was so tight that the extra votes they got around Lanarkshire probably swung it on the list system. Of course more recently the talk locally is that the SNP are now back looking at the number of A&E Units in Lanarkshire with Monklands again likely to be the fall guy.

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So, what took you all those words to say could be summed up in eight words.

"I have no proof, only my warped opinion."

Good to know.

If you want to blame the Scottish Government because a "subservient" body makes a decision then surely you should go the whole way and blame Westminster because Holyrood is "subservient" to them? You could also say that, in a way, Westminster is "subservient" to the electorate and so, in a manner of speaking, it is your fault. Why do you want to close a children's ward Dorothy? Evil bastard.

Alex Salmond confirmed many times over that the NHS in Scotland is not under Westminster control. It is completely devolved. Stop the whataboutary - it just makes you look silly :rolleyes:

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Got a leaflet in from scottish labour telling me to vote for them and there would be 1000 extra nurses, less waiting times for cancer and also at a&e.

NHS is devolved to Holyrood so how can labour deliver these promises?

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Re RAH children's ward. It's always an emotive subject, however there is a new regional children's hospital due to open 6 miles away from Rah. Would parents not rather take their children to be treated at this centre of excellence?

Of course there is scope for the added bonus of the rah kids ward being made into an adult unit, allowing extra beds. Just a thought

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Got a leaflet in from scottish labour telling me to vote for them and there would be 1000 extra nurses, less waiting times for cancer and also at a&e.

NHS is devolved to Holyrood so how can labour deliver these promises?

Jim Murphy claimed he would deliver on that promise because Labour also intend to win the Scottish Elections in 2016. I agree with you though, it's fanciful shite. For all the costings to fall into place Labour would need to gain an outright majority at this General Election. They'd then need to be able to carry their mansion tax proposal through Westminister, and then you'd need for Jim Murphy to make a good enough case that Scotland should get all of this money raised, spent on the Scottish NHS. Dianne Abbott already called Murphy out on that one saying that she felt that since most of any mansion tax money would be raised in London it should be spent in London.

As for your second post, the whole of the NHS is being seen as too emotive a topic and there is absolutely no way the Scottish NHS can continue as it currently does with patients falling off trolleys, with waiting times soaring through the roof and with the prognosis for any trip to any Scottish NHS Hospital starting with the almost complete certainty that you're likely to contract something on top of what you were admitted with rather than be cured. Sadly the SNP have decided that their stated position is that there will be no change - just never ending nationalised decline throwing as much money as they can down the money pit. Only the Conservatives and UKIP have been honest enough to look at ways to change the NHS model in the UK for the benefit of all whilst not breaking writing never ending blank cheques

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More good news on the General Election front - Lord Ashcrofts polls are now showing the Conservatives taking a lead and even better the polls are beginning to show that a Labour / SNP coalition would have no chance of running the Westminster Government. With the silly Natsi's already having ruled out any sort of coalition with the Conservatives that should spare us all from the embarrassment of having a parochial single issue party making an absolute c**t of themselves, and all those who would vote for them, in our National Parliament.

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Jim Murphy claimed he would deliver on that promise because Labour also intend to win the Scottish Elections in 2016. I agree with you though, it's fanciful shite. For all the costings to fall into place Labour would need to gain an outright majority at this General Election. They'd then need to be able to carry their mansion tax proposal through Westminister, and then you'd need for Jim Murphy to make a good enough case that Scotland should get all of this money raised, spent on the Scottish NHS. Dianne Abbott already called Murphy out on that one saying that she felt that since most of any mansion tax money would be raised in London it should be spent in London.

As for your second post, the whole of the NHS is being seen as too emotive a topic and there is absolutely no way the Scottish NHS can continue as it currently does with patients falling off trolleys, with waiting times soaring through the roof and with the prognosis for any trip to any Scottish NHS Hospital starting with the almost complete certainty that you're likely to contract something on top of what you were admitted with rather than be cured. Sadly the SNP have decided that their stated position is that there will be no change - just never ending nationalised decline throwing as much money as they can down the money pit. Only the Conservatives and UKIP have been honest enough to look at ways to change the NHS model in the UK for the benefit of all whilst not breaking writing never ending blank cheques

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More good news on the General Election front - Lord Ashcrofts polls are now showing the Conservatives taking a lead and even better the polls are beginning to show that a Labour / SNP coalition would have no chance of running the Westminster Government. With the silly Natsi's already having ruled out any sort of coalition with the Conservatives that should spare us all from the embarrassment of having a parochial single issue party making an absolute c**t of themselves, and all those who would vote for them, in our National Parliament.

Tax-dodging Ashcroft's polls showing Tory good news? There's a surprise...
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Dianne Abbott already called Murphy out on that one saying that she felt that since most of any mansion tax money would be raised in London it should be spent in London.

So money raised through tax should be spent where the tax is raised, then? Interesting, wonder if we should get the nationalist parties onto this innovative thinking.

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More good news on the General Election front - Lord Ashcrofts polls are now showing the Conservatives taking a lead and even better the polls are beginning to show that a Labour / SNP coalition would have no chance of running the Westminster Government. With the silly Natsi's already having ruled out any sort of coalition with the Conservatives that should spare us all from the embarrassment of having a parochial single issue party making an absolute c**t of themselves, and all those who would vote for them, in our National Parliament.

Aren't the Natsi party in this election the Tory party? After all they want a referendum on Europe and English only votes. What ever happened to their "Better Together" patter? You really couldn't make it up.

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Aren't the Natsi party in this election the Tory party? After all they want a referendum on Europe and English only votes. What ever happened to their "Better Together" patter? You really couldn't make it up.

Scotland already has Scottish only votes - a shame cause it means no one sensible can stop the SNP giving the likes of Tom Hunter, Ann Gloag, Brian Souter, Tom Farmer or John Boyle their prescriptions for free; No-one sensible can stop the SNP giving free hospital parking spaces to Consultants in their Bentleys all at the expense of the patient care budget.

You're also not very good at history. The Conservatives want to give the UK electorate their democratic right to vote on continued membership of the EU. The Nazis on the other hand removed all democratic rights and denied people a voice forcing the parties will on the population using threats to silence opposition - very much like the post referendum Natsi Party who continue to deny the democratic will of the majority; who continue to boycott companies who stated an opposing opinion; and who continue to harass and threaten anyone speaking publicly for any of the Unionist Parties.

You''re right, you really couldn't make it up but it won't stop the likes of you from trying!

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I'll ask you the same question I've asked Dorothy and the other idiot.

How do you logically work out that voting SNP will get a UKIP-lite majority? Just because the slimey wee rat from the Scottish Red-Tories said so does not make it a logical reason.

I assume you understand the FPTP and two party system we have in Westminster?

If you do, you'll know the answer. There's only two parties who have a chance of forming a government in May, they are Labour and the Conservatives.

Ergo any seat lost by Labour to the SNP is good for the Tories. Ditto any seat lost by Tories to UKIP is good for Labour. Pretty simple really.

I'm voting SNP in May for tactical reasons. I want Labour to lose as many seats up here as possible, thus increasing the chances of David Cameron and George Osbourne remaining in power. A Tory majority in 2015 will hopefully make the proper cuts to the bloated welfare state and public sector that this country urgently needs.

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Aren't the Natsi party in this election the Tory party? After all they want a referendum on Europe and English only votes. What ever happened to their "Better Together" patter? You really couldn't make it up.

You think Scottish politicians should be able to vote on English only matters? I know we are over represented in Westminster, but that is ridiculous. We might aswell start having English MSP's in Holyrood if we are going to continue with that.

As for leaving the EU, fingers crossed!

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I assume you understand the FPTP and two party system we have in Westminster?

If you do, you'll know the answer. There's only two parties who have a chance of forming a government in May, they are Labour and the Conservatives.

Ergo any seat lost by Labour to the SNP is good for the Tories. Ditto any seat lost by Tories to UKIP is good for Labour. Pretty simple really.

I'm voting SNP in May for tactical reasons. I want Labour to lose as many seats up here as possible, thus increasing the chances of David Cameron and George Osbourne remaining in power. A Tory majority in 2015 will hopefully make the proper cuts to the bloated welfare state and public sector that this country urgently needs.

Westminster doesn't have a two party system - if it did then there would be no Labour party. I'm waiting for the Tory-Labour coalition to be formed in an attempt to create a two party system.

Any seat lost by Labour to the SNP increases the likelihood that the Tories will be the largest party, it doesn't mean that the Tories have a better chance at a majority - it doesn't gain the Tories anything, in fact the SNP are less likely to support the Tories than Labour is (though that isn't very likely either), so the Tories could potentially "lose out".

I'm expecting a Tory-UKIP coalition, created by only English MPs or, possibly, with the inclusion of N.I. Orange bigots too, and Labour to get humiliated in both Scotland and England, but still to do well in Wales. I think most of the seats UKIP win (there won't be that many) will be from Labour due to traditional Labour voters not be able to bring themselves to vote Tory.

My guess is that Tory: DUP coalition is more probable, I doubt UKIP will be required. I'd also expect this election to get a very poor turnout

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Westminster doesn't have a two party system - if it did then there would be no Labour party. I'm waiting for the Tory-Labour coalition to be formed in an attempt to create a two party system.

Any seat lost by Labour to the SNP increases the likelihood that the Tories will be the largest party, it doesn't mean that the Tories have a better chance at a majority - it doesn't gain the Tories anything, in fact the SNP are less likely to support the Tories than Labour is (though that isn't very likely either), so the Tories could potentially "lose out".

I'm expecting a Tory-UKIP coalition, created by only English MPs or, possibly, with the inclusion of N.I. Orange bigots too, and Labour to get humiliated in both Scotland and England, but still to do well in Wales. I think most of the seats UKIP win (there won't be that many) will be from Labour due to traditional Labour voters not be able to bring themselves to vote Tory.

I think the SNP will make significant gains in Scotland but the reason for this will be because traditional Labour voters will believe they are delivering a kicking to their party whilst backing a party that they assume are basically Scottish Socialists. Then in the aftermath of the election it will become clear that because the SNP have made gains in Scotland it's damaged the Labour Party to the extent that even forming a coalition with the SNP they won't be able to form a government. At that point the SNP will start negotiations to form a coalition with the Conservatives with their sole demand in return for their support being another Independence Referendum - their single issue that they would sell their soul for.

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Westminster doesn't have a two party system - if it did then there would be no Labour party. I'm waiting for the Tory-Labour coalition to be formed in an attempt to create a two party system.

Any seat lost by Labour to the SNP increases the likelihood that the Tories will be the largest party, it doesn't mean that the Tories have a better chance at a majority - it doesn't gain the Tories anything, in fact the SNP are less likely to support the Tories than Labour is (though that isn't very likely either), so the Tories could potentially "lose out".

I'm expecting a Tory-UKIP coalition, created by only English MPs or, possibly, with the inclusion of N.I. Orange bigots too, and Labour to get humiliated in both Scotland and England, but still to do well in Wales. I think most of the seats UKIP win (there won't be that many) will be from Labour due to traditional Labour voters not be able to bring themselves to vote Tory.

Sturgeon stated in Glasgow , that there would be no coalition with the conservative/unionist trumpets (trumpets is my word not hers). .

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Aren't the Natsi party in this election the Tory party? After all they want a referendum on Europe and English only votes. What ever happened to their "Better Together" patter? You really couldn't make it up.

Conversely, the SNP arguemnt was that we aren't 'better together' yet want to remain in Europe and retain the pound!

You really couldn't make it up.

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Conversely, the SNP arguemnt was that we aren't 'better together' yet want to remain in Europe and retain the pound!

Why does that confuse you?

The last time I looked, the EU weren't forcing the bedroom tax on us, keeping all our oil money, forcing us to host nuclear weapons, paying us pocket money or telling us how many immigrants we were allowed to have.

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