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Loved that post to bits. Took me a minute or so to suss HoC and HoL but thank Fawkes for getting me there. I won't be voting for anybody but for what it's worth the only party at the present time I'd trust with the economy is the Tories.

Well, as some philosopher or songster said, if you choose not to decide or vote , you've still made a free choice , or someit like that.........................

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Far be it for me to defend a Labour politician, but this article is only an opinion piece, and a rather jaundiced one at that when you consider that the Childrens Ward wouldn't have been at threat if it wasn't for the SNP led Scottish Government with completely devolved control of the Scottish NHS wanting to close it. :rolleyes:

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Far be it for me to defend a Labour politician, but this article is only an opinion piece, and a rather jaundiced one at that when you consider that the Childrens Ward wouldn't have been at threat if it wasn't for the SNP led Scottish Government with completely devolved control of the Scottish NHS wanting to close it. rolleyes.gif

Did they want to close it? Or was that NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde (or whatever it's called now)? Does the Scottish Government really take to do with these sort of things on a "daily basis"? I would have thought that it would have been left up to each individual health board to determine their own needs and how to fulfil them (working within the policies laid out for them). I could be wrong but that's how I thought it worked. If you have evidence to the contrary then post it and I'll accept that I was wrong.

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It's a bit rich any Labour politician taking credit for "defending the RAI" after they gerrymander the collapse of the old Argyll and Clyde health board, thus pretty much ensuring it will close completely in the long run (after the southern general death star is in place).

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Did they want to close it? Or was that NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde (or whatever it's called now)? Does the Scottish Government really take to do with these sort of things on a "daily basis"? I would have thought that it would have been left up to each individual health board to determine their own needs and how to fulfil them (working within the policies laid out for them). I could be wrong but that's how I thought it worked. If you have evidence to the contrary then post it and I'll accept that I was wrong.

Did that really sound good in your head before you posted it? Seriously?

Here is a decision within the completely and absolutely devolved Scottish NHS which clearly has political implications. The SNP are currently the Scottish Government and they have complete control of the Scottish NHS as they acknowledged time and time again during the referendum. Yet here you want to try claim that the SNP was not at all responsible for a decision being made to close a Childrens Ward in a crisis hit Scottish NHS Hospital which has hit the headlines time and time again in 2015 for buckling under the pressure, so much so that Nicola Sturgeon intervened on the 11th of February 2015 to send in support teams to try to prop up the failing hospital.

In January 2007 in North Lanarkshire we saw a classic example of how this works. Back then the Labour administration had presided over plans by NHS Lanarkshire to close one of the three A&E units under their control. After a long drawn out process they elected to close A&E at Monklands and this proved to be extremely unpopular around Airdrie and Coatbridge where it emerged that during rush hour traffic ambulances could not get from Monklands to Wishaw in any less than 45 minutes. As part of their electoral campaign Nicola Sturgeon pledged that if the SNP won the Scottish Election they would keep the unit open. It probably won the 2008 election for them given that it was so tight that the extra votes they got around Lanarkshire probably swung it on the list system. Of course more recently the talk locally is that the SNP are now back looking at the number of A&E Units in Lanarkshire with Monklands again likely to be the fall guy.

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Did that really sound good in your head before you posted it? Seriously?

Here is a decision within the completely and absolutely devolved Scottish NHS which clearly has political implications. The SNP are currently the Scottish Government and they have complete control of the Scottish NHS as they acknowledged time and time again during the referendum. Yet here you want to try claim that the SNP was not at all responsible for a decision being made to close a Childrens Ward in a crisis hit Scottish NHS Hospital which has hit the headlines time and time again in 2015 for buckling under the pressure, so much so that Nicola Sturgeon intervened on the 11th of February 2015 to send in support teams to try to prop up the failing hospital.

In January 2007 in North Lanarkshire we saw a classic example of how this works. Back then the Labour administration had presided over plans by NHS Lanarkshire to close one of the three A&E units under their control. After a long drawn out process they elected to close A&E at Monklands and this proved to be extremely unpopular around Airdrie and Coatbridge where it emerged that during rush hour traffic ambulances could not get from Monklands to Wishaw in any less than 45 minutes. As part of their electoral campaign Nicola Sturgeon pledged that if the SNP won the Scottish Election they would keep the unit open. It probably won the 2008 election for them given that it was so tight that the extra votes they got around Lanarkshire probably swung it on the list system. Of course more recently the talk locally is that the SNP are now back looking at the number of A&E Units in Lanarkshire with Monklands again likely to be the fall guy.

So, what took you all those words to say could be summed up in eight words.

"I have no proof, only my warped opinion."

Good to know.

If you want to blame the Scottish Government because a "subservient" body makes a decision then surely you should go the whole way and blame Westminster because Holyrood is "subservient" to them? You could also say that, in a way, Westminster is "subservient" to the electorate and so, in a manner of speaking, it is your fault. Why do you want to close a children's ward Dorothy? Evil bastard.

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Did that really sound good in your head before you posted it? Seriously?

Of course more recently the talk locally is that the SNP are now back looking at the number of A&E Units in Lanarkshire with Monklands again likely to be the fall guy.

More likely a proven lying bigot trying to start a rumour.

Is Monklands in South Lanarkshire like where you claimed you stayed?

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More likely a proven lying bigot trying to start a rumour.

Is Monklands in South Lanarkshire like where you claimed you stayed?

Sometimes I think that there are about 7 people use that alias. The amount of times he contradicts himself is amazing.

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So, what took you all those words to say could be summed up in eight words.

"I have no proof, only my warped opinion."

Good to know.

If you want to blame the Scottish Government because a "subservient" body makes a decision then surely you should go the whole way and blame Westminster because Holyrood is "subservient" to them? You could also say that, in a way, Westminster is "subservient" to the electorate and so, in a manner of speaking, it is your fault. Why do you want to close a children's ward Dorothy? Evil bastard.

Alex Salmond confirmed many times over that the NHS in Scotland is not under Westminster control. It is completely devolved. Stop the whataboutary - it just makes you look silly :rolleyes:

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Got a leaflet in from scottish labour telling me to vote for them and there would be 1000 extra nurses, less waiting times for cancer and also at a&e.

NHS is devolved to Holyrood so how can labour deliver these promises?

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Re RAH children's ward. It's always an emotive subject, however there is a new regional children's hospital due to open 6 miles away from Rah. Would parents not rather take their children to be treated at this centre of excellence?

Of course there is scope for the added bonus of the rah kids ward being made into an adult unit, allowing extra beds. Just a thought

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Got a leaflet in from scottish labour telling me to vote for them and there would be 1000 extra nurses, less waiting times for cancer and also at a&e.

NHS is devolved to Holyrood so how can labour deliver these promises?

Jim Murphy claimed he would deliver on that promise because Labour also intend to win the Scottish Elections in 2016. I agree with you though, it's fanciful shite. For all the costings to fall into place Labour would need to gain an outright majority at this General Election. They'd then need to be able to carry their mansion tax proposal through Westminister, and then you'd need for Jim Murphy to make a good enough case that Scotland should get all of this money raised, spent on the Scottish NHS. Dianne Abbott already called Murphy out on that one saying that she felt that since most of any mansion tax money would be raised in London it should be spent in London.

As for your second post, the whole of the NHS is being seen as too emotive a topic and there is absolutely no way the Scottish NHS can continue as it currently does with patients falling off trolleys, with waiting times soaring through the roof and with the prognosis for any trip to any Scottish NHS Hospital starting with the almost complete certainty that you're likely to contract something on top of what you were admitted with rather than be cured. Sadly the SNP have decided that their stated position is that there will be no change - just never ending nationalised decline throwing as much money as they can down the money pit. Only the Conservatives and UKIP have been honest enough to look at ways to change the NHS model in the UK for the benefit of all whilst not breaking writing never ending blank cheques

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More good news on the General Election front - Lord Ashcrofts polls are now showing the Conservatives taking a lead and even better the polls are beginning to show that a Labour / SNP coalition would have no chance of running the Westminster Government. With the silly Natsi's already having ruled out any sort of coalition with the Conservatives that should spare us all from the embarrassment of having a parochial single issue party making an absolute c**t of themselves, and all those who would vote for them, in our National Parliament.

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Jim Murphy claimed he would deliver on that promise because Labour also intend to win the Scottish Elections in 2016. I agree with you though, it's fanciful shite. For all the costings to fall into place Labour would need to gain an outright majority at this General Election. They'd then need to be able to carry their mansion tax proposal through Westminister, and then you'd need for Jim Murphy to make a good enough case that Scotland should get all of this money raised, spent on the Scottish NHS. Dianne Abbott already called Murphy out on that one saying that she felt that since most of any mansion tax money would be raised in London it should be spent in London.

As for your second post, the whole of the NHS is being seen as too emotive a topic and there is absolutely no way the Scottish NHS can continue as it currently does with patients falling off trolleys, with waiting times soaring through the roof and with the prognosis for any trip to any Scottish NHS Hospital starting with the almost complete certainty that you're likely to contract something on top of what you were admitted with rather than be cured. Sadly the SNP have decided that their stated position is that there will be no change - just never ending nationalised decline throwing as much money as they can down the money pit. Only the Conservatives and UKIP have been honest enough to look at ways to change the NHS model in the UK for the benefit of all whilst not breaking writing never ending blank cheques

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More good news on the General Election front - Lord Ashcrofts polls are now showing the Conservatives taking a lead and even better the polls are beginning to show that a Labour / SNP coalition would have no chance of running the Westminster Government. With the silly Natsi's already having ruled out any sort of coalition with the Conservatives that should spare us all from the embarrassment of having a parochial single issue party making an absolute c**t of themselves, and all those who would vote for them, in our National Parliament.

Tax-dodging Ashcroft's polls showing Tory good news? There's a surprise...

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Dianne Abbott already called Murphy out on that one saying that she felt that since most of any mansion tax money would be raised in London it should be spent in London.

So money raised through tax should be spent where the tax is raised, then? Interesting, wonder if we should get the nationalist parties onto this innovative thinking.

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More good news on the General Election front - Lord Ashcrofts polls are now showing the Conservatives taking a lead and even better the polls are beginning to show that a Labour / SNP coalition would have no chance of running the Westminster Government. With the silly Natsi's already having ruled out any sort of coalition with the Conservatives that should spare us all from the embarrassment of having a parochial single issue party making an absolute c**t of themselves, and all those who would vote for them, in our National Parliament.

Aren't the Natsi party in this election the Tory party? After all they want a referendum on Europe and English only votes. What ever happened to their "Better Together" patter? You really couldn't make it up.

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