ulysses Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 The longer this goes on the more I'm convinced that they'll offer to buy Girona instead of us. No basis for that however, maybe it's just the cynic in me (or optimist, depending on how you look at it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northstbuddie Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 As I assumed. So I wonder how you came about this nugget of information or are you just making it up? If you read my post you will find out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 The longer this goes on the more I'm convinced that they'll offer to buy Girona instead of us. No basis for that however, maybe it's just the cynic in me (or optimist, depending on how you look at it). Nah! Can Girona match us for planes, seagulls and paucity of white dug shite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Nah! Can Girona match us for planes, seagulls and paucity of white dug shite? Is the colour of the dog significant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) If you read my post you will find out I've read it. You quite clearly state , in an earlier post, that they haven't " sought to involve anyone with a detailed knowledge of players, teams, tactics and dealings in the transfer market" despite having no knowledge of their plans. That's a fairly definite statement to make, just because the Argentines haven't blabbed the details of their plans to the to the media. Then you go on to say: If any link-ups with Scottish coaches/players had been mooted by the prospective purchasers, it would have been in both parties' interests to let the fans know, without revealing the details/identities in advance. Really? I don't remember the other consortium (or any other interested parties for that matter) doing this before or during negotiations. So why should the Argentine consortium be any different? I'm certainly not convinced that it would be in either parties interest to interrupt negotiations to start informing fans of the details of any proposed set up. It's called reality, as opposed what you want to hear. If the deal happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I've got some trepidation about any deal, but I'm a bit excited at the same time. Edited January 20, 2015 by FTOF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Is the colour of the dog significant? Only if said dug appeared in the movie 633 Squadron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsons dropped it Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) Only if said dug appeared in the movie 633 Squadron. Dambusters perhaps My Lord ????? Pipped at the Post !!! Edited January 20, 2015 by thomsons dropped it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northstbuddie Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) I've read it. You quite clearly state , in an earlier post, that they haven't " sought to involve anyone with a detailed knowledge of players, teams, tactics and dealings in the transfer market" despite having no knowledge of their plans. That's a fairly definite statement to make, just because the Argentines haven't blabbed the details of their plans to the to the media. Then you go on to say: Really? I don't remember the other consortium (or any other interested parties for that matter) doing this before or during negotiations. So why should the Argentine consortium be any different? I'm certainly not convinced that it would be in either parties interest to interrupt negotiations to start informing fans of the details of any proposed set up. It's called reality, as opposed what you want to hear. If the deal happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I've got some trepidation about any deal, but I'm a bit excited at the same time. What I meant to say was:- "However, there has been no indication from Pini & Co that they know anything about the Scottish game and set up, nor that they have sought to involve anyone with a detailed knowledge of players, teams, tactics and dealings in the transfer market." In the absence of information from either party it is natural to form assumptions and opinions in a discussion forum like this. I did not mean to mislead anyone. You obviously seem to be more trusting and positive about this prospective takeover than me. Edited January 20, 2015 by northstbuddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Maybe, if the Argentine consortium are successful, then they might have the ideas and drive and engage with the fans. Just a thought. Not the experience the club in Chile had with them though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Surely the fact that we still haven't appointed a new manager or confirmed Teale as the man, suggests that there is a deal imminent? Or no major decisions were getting made while SG was in South Africa for 6 weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsuMirren Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Not the experience the club in Chile had with them though. They got promoted, spent two years in the top flight and went down again. They also invested in a training complex and the club just received a 7 figure fee from a deal Pini was involved in. Of course some fans didn't like going back down, but then again the current top flight only has one club with a below 10,000 ground. Rangers is 8,200 or so, which points to them maybe being a small club. Oh and the Pini's bought the club at an auction, it was hardly top two and in continental tournaments. Apologies, once again, for the research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsuMirren Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Or no major decisions were getting made while SG was in South Africa for 6 weeks? But, but, he told Chic that wouldn't be the case. Perhaps, like with the appointment of Craig, there's a danger they've made a c**t of things again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 They got promoted, spent two years in the top flight and went down again. They also invested in a training complex and the club just received a 7 figure fee from a deal Pini was involved in. Of course some fans didn't like going back down, but then again the current top flight only has one club with a below 10,000 ground. Rangers is 8,200 or so, which points to them maybe being a small club. Oh and the Pini's bought the club at an auction, it was hardly top two and in continental tournaments. Apologies, once again, for the research. My comment was about the Argentinian owners engaging the fans of the club they own. Something which did not happen with the club in Chile. Apologies, once again, for the research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 But, but, he told Chic that wouldn't be the case. Perhaps, like with the appointment of Craig, there's a danger they've made a c**t of things again. So what major decisions have been made in the time SG has been in South Africa? No decision on a successor to Tommy Craig, no decision on a sale of the club, 5 or 6 players out the door in January and Teale retired as a player and 1 player in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjb Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 They got promoted, spent two years in the top flight and went down again. They also invested in a training complex and the club just received a 7 figure fee from a deal Pini was involved in. Of course some fans didn't like going back down, but then again the current top flight only has one club with a below 10,000 ground. Rangers is 8,200 or so, which points to them maybe being a small club. Oh and the Pini's bought the club at an auction, it was hardly top two and in continental tournaments. Apologies, once again, for the research. The 7 figure player would be Argentinian, Santiago Garcia, who played for Rosario in Argentina and then moved onto Italy with firstly Novaro Calcio, then Palermo. He played 41 times for Palermo and was then transferred to Talca Rangers in Chile on 31st August 2013. The next day on the 1st September 2013 he was loaned to Werder Bremen, playing 22 times that season. The loan ended on 30th June 2014 and the next day he was signed by Werder, and has played 16 times this season. The total fee payed by Werder (loan and transfer) is listed as £1.8 million of which a third went to Palermo. Of the rest we can only surmise how much went to Talca. KPMG state that third party owners in South America can own up to 50% of a players rights. FIFA say 25% of transfers go to the player or agent. That would leave £300000 for Talca who were 100% owned by Piducano SADP, in turn owned by the brothers Pini. Rosario might have had a cut of future transfers. Talca might have got £150000 or maybe less. Santiago Garcia never played for Talca; nor even visted the club or Chile while registered with them. The Pini brothers sold Talca in September 2014. There were no taxes on football transfers in Chile, but I guess a transfer from Italy to Germany would incur taxes.Taxes would be payable by football transfer sellers and buyers in the UK. This was all decided to be legal after numerous court cases, but in January 2013 the Argentinian FA and tax authorities announced they would bring in rules to ban third party ownership,invoke new taxes related to football transfers and insist on new registers of player ownership.They have blacklisted clubs considered to have abused the transfer/tax system. The whole thing has a whiff of EBTs about it. Legal but pursued relentlessly by the taxman and then banned. I can't see how any of the above would be allowed under existing SFA and HMRC rules.Third party player ownership is banned by the SFA. Dual ownership/interest of clubs is banned by the SFA (Rankine and Ashley), so any Girona purchase would surely mean deal off. The new owner of Talca has admitted that the Pini brothers still have interests in many squad players. Talca Rangers were in administration when the Pini brothers bought them in an auction. Girona FC are currently in administration. I don't think, thankfully, St.Mirren are anywhere near administration. If the Pini brothers, the Floridian hotelier and the other bloke gain control of St.Mirren through T4C Sports Ltd I hope they have a new business model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 So what major decisions have been made in the time SG has been in South Africa? No decision on a successor to Tommy Craig, no decision on a sale of the club, 5 or 6 players out the door in January and Teale retired as a player and 1 player in. TC out along with 5 or 6 six players (haven't you answered your own question) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 The 7 figure player would be Argentinian, Santiago Garcia, who played for Rosario in Argentina and then moved onto Italy with firstly Novaro Calcio, then Palermo. He played 41 times for Palermo and was then transferred to Talca Rangers in Chile on 31st August 2013. The next day on the 1st September 2013 he was loaned to Werder Bremen, playing 22 times that season. The loan ended on 30th June 2014 and the next day he was signed by Werder, and has played 16 times this season. The total fee payed by Werder (loan and transfer) is listed as £1.8 million of which a third went to Palermo. Of the rest we can only surmise how much went to Talca. KPMG state that third party owners in South America can own up to 50% of a players rights. FIFA say 25% of transfers go to the player or agent. That would leave £300000 for Talca who were 100% owned by Piducano SADP, in turn owned by the brothers Pini. Rosario might have had a cut of future transfers. Talca might have got £150000 or maybe less. Santiago Garcia never played for Talca; nor even visted the club or Chile while registered with them. The Pini brothers sold Talca in September 2014. There were no taxes on football transfers in Chile, but I guess a transfer from Italy to Germany would incur taxes.Taxes would be payable by football transfer sellers and buyers in the UK. This was all decided to be legal after numerous court cases, but in January 2013 the Argentinian FA and tax authorities announced they would bring in rules to ban third party ownership,invoke new taxes related to football transfers and insist on new registers of player ownership.They have blacklisted clubs considered to have abused the transfer/tax system. The whole thing has a whiff of EBTs about it. Legal but pursued relentlessly by the taxman and then banned. I can't see how any of the above would be allowed under existing SFA and HMRC rules.Third party player ownership is banned by the SFA. Dual ownership/interest of clubs is banned by the SFA (Rankine and Ashley), so any Girona purchase would surely mean deal off. The new owner of Talca has admitted that the Pini brothers still have interests in many squad players. Talca Rangers were in administration when the Pini brothers bought them in an auction. Girona FC are currently in administration. I don't think, thankfully, St.Mirren are anywhere near administration. If the Pini brothers, the Floridian hotelier and the other bloke gain control of St.Mirren through T4C Sports Ltd I hope they have a new business model. You forgot to add 'Apologies for doing my research'! Although I think you are entitled to add 'Apologies for doing fully comprehensive, non-selective to suit my own personal agenda Research' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Dambusters perhaps My Lord ????? Pipped at the Post !!! Not according to the black felt tip pen scrawl on the sleeve of my TDK VHS tape! Although on viewing a selection of WW2 movies recently I wondered how they intended to fix those fecking big round bombs onto Spitfires..? Now wheres that dog got to N... Err Nigel..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsuMirren Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 You forgot to add 'Apologies for doing my research'! Although I think you are entitled to add 'Apologies for doing fully comprehensive, non-selective to suit my own personal agenda Research' I don't have an agenda. I'd just rather any deal was scuppered because the Board did research, as opposed to prospective buyers reading ill informed postings on a forum. I've previously highlighted the investigation, the fact the player moved very quickly and that Pini has discussed the movement of players in the past. I'll admit I didn't know all the %'s and splits, but well done to mjb for doing so. "If the Pini brothers, the Floridian hotelier and the other bloke gain control of St.Mirren through T4C Sports Ltd I hope they have a new business model." - Did any of us know that it was T4C Sports Ltd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsuMirren Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 So what major decisions have been made in the time SG has been in South Africa? No decision on a successor to Tommy Craig, no decision on a sale of the club, 5 or 6 players out the door in January and Teale retired as a player and 1 player in. None, which was my point. To take six weeks off when you've just sacked your manager, have the club purchase ongoing, have one group coming up to sign papers and the transfer window is in full flow. It's questionable to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickMcD Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 None, which was my point. To take six weeks off when you've just sacked your manager, have the club purchase ongoing, have one group coming up to sign papers and the transfer window is in full flow. It's questionable to say the least. When push comes to shove the chairman usually has the casting vote unless there is a clause in the partnership or articles of association which demands unanimous decisions and that's not normally the case. And as has been pointed out we've still got Bell telephones and other gizmos to keep SG appraised of the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 thanks for sharing research lads . Bit that confuses me though is groups owning two teams, Romanaov had Hearts and Kaunus , and Dundee United are actively trying to buy a team in Austrailia , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 You're doing this deliberately now, aren't you? It was the Mosquito not the Spitfire in "633 Squadron". So who were those fokkers in the Battle of Britain movie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaldyOzBud Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Was it not a Mosquito that Gibson was flying when he was shot down and killed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 The 7 figure player would be Argentinian, Santiago Garcia, who played for Rosario in Argentina and then moved onto Italy with firstly Novaro Calcio, then Palermo. He played 41 times for Palermo and was then transferred to Talca Rangers in Chile on 31st August 2013. The next day on the 1st September 2013 he was loaned to Werder Bremen, playing 22 times that season. The loan ended on 30th June 2014 and the next day he was signed by Werder, and has played 16 times this season. The total fee payed by Werder (loan and transfer) is listed as £1.8 million of which a third went to Palermo. Of the rest we can only surmise how much went to Talca. KPMG state that third party owners in South America can own up to 50% of a players rights. FIFA say 25% of transfers go to the player or agent. That would leave £300000 for Talca who were 100% owned by Piducano SADP, in turn owned by the brothers Pini. Rosario might have had a cut of future transfers. Talca might have got £150000 or maybe less. Santiago Garcia never played for Talca; nor even visted the club or Chile while registered with them. The Pini brothers sold Talca in September 2014. There were no taxes on football transfers in Chile, but I guess a transfer from Italy to Germany would incur taxes.Taxes would be payable by football transfer sellers and buyers in the UK. This was all decided to be legal after numerous court cases, but in January 2013 the Argentinian FA and tax authorities announced they would bring in rules to ban third party ownership,invoke new taxes related to football transfers and insist on new registers of player ownership.They have blacklisted clubs considered to have abused the transfer/tax system. The whole thing has a whiff of EBTs about it. Legal but pursued relentlessly by the taxman and then banned. I can't see how any of the above would be allowed under existing SFA and HMRC rules.Third party player ownership is banned by the SFA. Dual ownership/interest of clubs is banned by the SFA (Rankine and Ashley), so any Girona purchase would surely mean deal off. The new owner of Talca has admitted that the Pini brothers still have interests in many squad players. Talca Rangers were in administration when the Pini brothers bought them in an auction. Girona FC are currently in administration. I don't think, thankfully, St.Mirren are anywhere near administration. If the Pini brothers, the Floridian hotelier and the other bloke gain control of St.Mirren through T4C Sports Ltd I hope they have a new business model. Thanks for that , good post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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