2becks Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Fair enough, 10 miles - not 'about five' as I wrongly said. That five mile difference should be enough to insulate both clubs from losing fans to the ugly sisters, eh? I'm not saying it is or isn't, but if you are going to proffer an opinion it's not unreasonable to expect any facts you quote at the start of that opinion to be more than 50% correct, it just lessens your argument, making it sound more like hyperbole then reason particularly as it makes the difference that they are both further removed from Celtic Park than we are from Ibrox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Fair enough, 10 miles - not 'about five' as I wrongly said. That five mile difference should be enough to insulate both clubs from losing fans to the ugly sisters, eh? And we're about 10 miles from Darkheid as well. We're closer to Scumbox, but they don't matter as they've nae money and their fans are 'walking away'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 I'm not saying it is or isn't, but if you are going to proffer an opinion it's not unreasonable to expect any facts you quote at the start of that opinion to be more than 50% correct, it just lessens your argument, making it sound more like hyperbole then reason particularly as it makes the difference that they are both further removed from Celtic Park than we are from Ibrox. I wasn't having a dig - you were right to point out it is ten miles(ish), not about five as I wrongly stated. I am on an iPod mobile version otherwise would have inserted appropriate smilies. My point is merely that we are not unique in being a small club in the shadow of the two Glasgow big clubs - made in response to a post from someone who seemed to be suggesting that we should somehow accept our lot as a wee club because of the OF proximity. In attempting to make the point that others are in the same boat, I have clearly made a rip-roaring cnut of it, and am happy to admit to that. I have been a bad boy, and as punishment, will now watch a re-run of the entire 2010 League Cup final. (Visualise another smilie here. Thanks.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2becks Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 I wasn't having a dig - you were right to point out it is ten miles(ish), not about five as I wrongly stated. I am on an iPod mobile version otherwise would have inserted appropriate smilies. My point is merely that we are not unique in being a small club in the shadow of the two Glasgow big clubs - made in response to a post from someone who seemed to be suggesting that we should somehow accept our lot as a wee club because of the OF proximity. In attempting to make the point that others are in the same boat, I have clearly made a rip-roaring cnut of it, and am happy to admit to that. I have been a bad boy, and as punishment, will now watch a re-run of the entire 2010 League Cup final. (Visualise another smilie here. Thanks.) It wasn't a bad enough post to warrant a punishment like that. 20 Lashes will be sufficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) It wasn't a bad enough post to warrant a punishment like that. 20 Lashes will be sufficient. Accepted. From Kim Shears talking dirty sweary words to me please! Edited February 3, 2015 by pozbaird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) I'm not saying it is or isn't, but if you are going to proffer an opinion it's not unreasonable to expect any facts you quote at the start of that opinion to be more than 50% correct, it just lessens your argument, making it sound more like hyperbole then reason particularly as it makes the difference that they are both further removed from Celtic Park than we are from Ibrox. ETA: you've kissed and made up so I'll leave it there.... Edited February 3, 2015 by Drew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2becks Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Accepted. From Kim Shears talking dirty sweary words to me please! She's busy, can she send her fiancé? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 I absolutely grapsed the essence of what he was getting at, and I assume you probably did also. I'd contend that splitting hairs doesn't enhance any argument you may or may not offer to the contrary. It's all cool. It's a smilie issue Drew. A mere misunderstanding and a wee dash of mis-communication. Forums, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddiecat Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Let's just see how we get on without Kenny before we go tonto. By all accounts there was nothing we could do about his contract situation and he could leave when he chose ( as part of his agreement to sign again last summer ) we have as - someone else stated - had his talent for an extra 6 months and got a fee for him, instead of watching him drift off for free, Kenny had the choice of going when he wanted to and i reckon our hands were tied as to the fee involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 It's all cool. It's a smilie issue Drew. A mere misunderstanding and a wee dash of mis-communication. Forums, eh? See above - you just nipped in before me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddyHolly9 Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Let's just see how we get on without Kenny before we go tonto. By all accounts there was nothing we could do about his contract situation and he could leave when he chose ( as part of his agreement to sign again last summer ) we have as - someone else stated - had his talent for an extra 6 months and got a fee for him, instead of watching him drift off for free, Kenny had the choice of going when he wanted to and i reckon our hands were tied as to the fee involved. Would he have gone for fee though buddy? Didn't we knock back offers for him before (I may have imagined that though) as we were certain on a reasonable development fee? Turning out to be an utter shambles of a season tbh, goodwill towards the current custodians draining fast. I've been trying to weigh this one up since the news broke and it's really not sitting well with me. A mistake has been made somewhere. Either the release clause was set far too low. I'd reckon 4 or 500K would have been fair for both or there was no release clause and we let him go far too cheaply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Would he have gone for fee though buddy? Didn't we knock back offers for him before (I may have imagined that though) as we were certain on a reasonable development fee? Turning out to be an utter shambles of a season tbh, goodwill towards the current custodians draining fast. I've been trying to weigh this one up since the news broke and it's really not sitting well with me. A mistake has been made somewhere. Either the release clause was set far too low. I'd reckon 4 or 500K would have been fair for both or there was no release clause and we let him go far too cheaply. http://www.saintmirren.net/pages/?p=40518 This might go some way to explaining things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddyHolly9 Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 http://www.saintmirren.net/pages/?p=40518 This might go some way to explaining things. Suppose we could go on and on about this. Still think a mistake has been made. If he was so good when the contract was signed, why didn't he walk then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbie Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Maybe because he wanted to try and ensure that the club got some decent return for him in terms of both cash and a further half season. Or alternatively, naebody wanted him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Have we tried? That's down to our potential fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 but they don't matter as they've nae money and their fans are 'walking away'. Leaving them with even less money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robo Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 That's down to our potential fans. But what are we offering to potential fans, in terms of entertainment and overall matchday experience? It's quite pricey, freezing cold for most of the season and entertainment on the park is inconsistent (to be charitable). In fact, are we even making any efforts to communicate with potential fans? Hoping they'll just turn up hasn't worked up until now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original 59er Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 pozbaird Posted Yesterday, 16:20 My point is merely that we are not unique in being a small club in the shadow of the two Glasgow big clubs - made in response to a post from someone who seemed to be suggesting that we should somehow accept our lot as a wee club because of the OF proximity. I assume you refer to my post Poz, or maybe one that followed. I actually wasn't inferring that we have to accept our lot, it is the way that things have happened over the years. I actually recall attending Love St when we regularly got crowds of 8 to 10,000 outwith OF games. However over a long period we have managed (and please note I use that word carefully) to screw it up internally. Other than maybe the Ferguson era when he personally went round the Paisley housing areas and stirred up interest and cajoled the punters to come and see this wee exciting team perform, we have year on year let fans dwindle away. The OF reference was one that has rankled with me for many years. These were people who wanted to go and watch football, but for whatever reason, be it attracted to a success related team, or some misguided religious reasoning, they left Paisley en mass (pun unintentional) every Saturday and meanwhile the local team had less and less finance coming through the door and we took on a small team boardroom mentality. That hasn't changed. I am on record as saying that it is time for the BoD's to go, and the sooner the better. Whether we get anyone else in that will have any semblance of enthusiasm or drive is another matter, I'm getting to the stage of believing that almost anything else would be preferable! One thing that is obvious, if we did get a team that performed better and challenged for the top 4 I bet we would see our crowds grow to around the 6,000 mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 My point is merely that we are not unique in being a small club in the shadow of the two Glasgow big clubs - made in response to a post from someone who seemed to be suggesting that we should somehow accept our lot as a wee club because of the OF proximity. I assume you refer to my post Poz, or maybe one that followed. I actually wasn't inferring that we have to accept our lot, it is the way that things have happened over the years. I actually recall attending Love St when we regularly got crowds of 8 to 10,000 outwith OF games. However over a long period we have managed (and please note I use that word carefully) to screw it up internally. Other than maybe the Ferguson era when he personally went round the Paisley housing areas and stirred up interest and cajoled the punters to come and see this wee exciting team perform, we have year on year let fans dwindle away. The OF reference was one that has rankled with me for many years. These were people who wanted to go and watch football, but for whatever reason, be it attracted to a success related team, or some misguided religious reasoning, they left Paisley en mass (pun unintentional) every Saturday and meanwhile the local team had less and less finance coming through the door and we took on a small team boardroom mentality. That hasn't changed. I am on record as saying that it is time for the BoD's to go, and the sooner the better. Whether we get anyone else in that will have any semblance of enthusiasm or drive is another matter, I'm getting to the stage of believing that almost anything else would be preferable! One thing that is obvious, if we did get a team that performed better and challenged for the top 4 I bet we would see our crowds grow to around the 6,000 mark Not convinced our attendances would get anywhere near 6,000 as Aberdeen, albeit only after 9 games this season, seen their attendance go down by almost 4%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyg Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Or alternatively, naebody wanted him? That's the more likely scenario ! If , for example , Alex Neil knew he could get Kenny for £175k , why did he pay over a million for Andreu when they've both been playing an identical role lately ? The answer's probably that Andreu has more grit in his game and more consistency and has a better chance of success at a higher level ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Monkey Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Not convinced our attendances would get anywhere near 6,000 as Aberdeen, albeit only after 9 games this season, seen their attendance go down by almost 4%. I reckon they could mate - look at the below. Ok, 2006/7 was a long time ago, and was the first season back after a few in the wilderness, but it shows what a bit of constant success in the league can get you. Obviously the reality of the SPL fairly bit the next season! Edit: note the figure for this season was correct as at the start of December - either way, Tommy Craig was delivering our lowest SPL attendances in recent memory. Edited February 4, 2015 by Magic Monkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herdo Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Suppose we could go on and on about this. Still think a mistake has been made. If he was so good when the contract was signed, why didn't he walk then. The way im seeing it is that mclean clearly wanted a move away, though to stay in the uk. He was offered a new deal before the old one was done and never signed it, had a few suitors but none willing to pay the development fee. The BOD offered him another deal and an agreement that if the development fee was met hed be allowed to leave. The BOD seem to be taking pelters for this? Start of the season this was the options. Kenny stays, signs a 2 year deal, if he does well he gets a move and we get a few hundred thousand (or the development fee money) or we offer him f**k all, he goes abroad so not to be frozen out of football n we get f**k all. or have I got this completely wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 The way im seeing it is that mclean clearly wanted a move away, though to stay in the uk. He was offered a new deal before the old one was done and never signed it, had a few suitors but none willing to pay the development fee. The BOD offered him another deal and an agreement that if the development fee was met hed be allowed to leave. The BOD seem to be taking pelters for this? Start of the season this was the options. Kenny stays, signs a 2 year deal, if he does well he gets a move and we get a few hundred thousand (or the development fee money) or we offer him f**k all, he goes abroad so not to be frozen out of football n we get f**k all. or have I got this completely wrong? No this is spot on. Most fans know the BOD did nothing wrong here. They could have let him walk away abroad for nothing in the summer, or they could have agreed to him signing on his terms. They chose the latter and I'm delighted they did. Imagine where we'd be if they'd chose the former? Kenny was at a level above the rest of the team this season. I said he was clearly too good for us, and so did our manager. It's no surprise he's moved on. The timing isn't great obviously, but that's what these transfer windows do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Yards Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Should we really? If you just based it on potential fan bases then surely the 4 Glasgow, 2 Edinburgh, 2 Dundee and 1 Aberdeen clubs should all be above us. We should be fighting it out with the likes of Motherwell and Kilmarnock and be in about 10th place - exactly where we are. The fact that it is different clubs above us is irrelevant, we are (based on potential fan base) exactly where we should be. In fact you could possibly include Clyde as well as they should have had bigger crowds due to potential fan base while still in Glasgow, so we are actually a place above where we should be. Or maybe I am wrong and everyone should have roughly equal fan bases when it is all divided up - can't be arsed working it out. Maybe Aberdeen should be the biggest club based on potential fan base as they are stuck up there in a big city all by themselves. Clyde?? Does that mean you put Queens Park and Pollok juniors in the same bracket because they play in a catchment area of 1 million people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Clyde?? Does that mean you put Queens Park and Pollok juniors in the same bracket because they play in a catchment area of 1 million people!Clyde, Queens Park,Thistle and St Mirren could be a whole lot bigger if it wasn't for the tens of thousands sectarian f**kwit bigots polluting our space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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