norrie82 Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 They should bring in someone as teales comments before Saturdays game were a joke. He surrendered there and then. Keep him.as assistant but please regardless next season appoint an outsider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrappy coco Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 I feel sorry for Gary Teale, if it was the middle of october I would say give him to January to see if he can turn things around... but sadly it's not.. Desperate times calls for desperate measures, and we're up to our necks in it, one last throw of the dice, and get an experienced manager in (anycunt)... it's maybe too late but it's surely the only chance we have... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Assuming the club won,t be sold , and we are looking for a cheap option , what about appointing Jimmy Nichol as a sort of General Manager with a remit to pass on his experience to Teale and Longwall . If its possible could we get Nicholl on a pre contract agreement , so we as a team can make a few pre contract signings and identify hard working experienced Championship players who can get us competeing for promotion next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Assuming the club won,t be sold , and we are looking for a cheap option , what about appointing Jimmy Nichol as a sort of General Manager with a remit to pass on his experience to Teale and Longwall . If its possible could we get Nicholl on a pre contract agreement , so we as a team can make a few pre contract signings and identify hard working experienced Championship players who can get us competeing for promotion next season. Nah, he offered his resignation to Cowdenbeath a few times recently. That's where he's at... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 If we were to approach someone experienced to try and save us til the end of the season it should be Calderwood. His last 2 jobs in Scotland highlight his capability to make a short term impact on struggling clubs. Dunfermline - 38% win ratio Aberdeen - 41.% win ratio Over 400 games in charge between these 2 clubs Took over Killie in January who had won 16% of their games. Win ration of 30% after this and kept them up. Took over Ross County mid Feb when they had only won 3 games all season (12% win ratio) 40% win ratio for the rest of the season. a win ratio of 40% would get us about ten points out of 24, so what's the point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 a win ratio of 40% would get us about ten points out of 24, so what's the point? Maybe we would see a wee bit effort and possibly a goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Maybe we would see a wee bit effort and possibly a goal. How would that help longer-term? I don't see Calderwood as a club-building type, at this stage of his career or any other. He wont save us from the drop and he is no good for the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrong Planet Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 a win ratio of 40% would get us about ten points out of 24, so what's the point? Simply as you mentioned win percentages 'beyond our ken', and just for general interest (I use the term loosely) here are the LEAGUE win percentages since coming back in to the top tier of Scottish Football in 2006/2007. Wins of course don't tell the whole story, but they are banded about as a key indicator of a managers stock. Season Manager Win% Finish Position 2006/2007 GM 21% 11th 2007/2008 GM 26% 10th 2008/2009 GM 23% 11th 2009/2010 GM 18% 10th 2010/2011 DL 21% 11th 2011/2012 DL 23% 8th 2012/2013 DL 23% 11th 2013/2014 DL 26% 8th 2014/2015 TC 13% 15 League games to and including 6th December 2014/2015 GT 26% 15 League games to date Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murray street Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 With the air of despondency about the place it looks like whatever happens and whoever is at the helm, st mirren will be relegated. St Mirren are going backwards, back to the days when it was considered acceptable to be in the First Division, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Let's start fighting and maybe we will go upwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murray street Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Let's start fighting and maybe we will go upwards. Your'e looking for another farewell thread, was that 148 no enough for you this morning Dr Death? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Simply as you mentioned win percentages 'beyond our ken', and just for general interest (I use the term loosely) here are the LEAGUE win percentages since coming back in to the top tier of Scottish Football in 2006/2007. Wins of course don't tell the whole story, but they are banded about as a key indicator of a managers stock. Season Manager Win% Finish Position 2006/2007 GM 21% 11th2007/2008 GM 26% 10th2008/2009 GM 23% 11th2009/2010 GM 18% 10th 2010/2011 DL 21% 11th2011/2012 DL 23% 8th2012/2013 DL 23% 11th2013/2014 DL 26% 8th 2014/2015 TC 13% 15 League games to and including 6th December 2014/2015 GT 26% 15 League games to date so calderwood is the man to re-build the club? i don't think so and putting him in short term with no chance of new players WON'T deliver a 40% win ratio. and we need might need a 75-85% win ratio to survive (not make the play-off, but actually survive in the SPL) No-one has any time to come in and turn things around in the 8 games we have left Edited March 25, 2015 by beyond our ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
another alias Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Simply as you mentioned win percentages 'beyond our ken', and just for general interest (I use the term loosely) here are the LEAGUE win percentages since coming back in to the top tier of Scottish Football in 2006/2007. Wins of course don't tell the whole story, but they are banded about as a key indicator of a managers stock. Season Manager Win% Finish Position 2006/2007 GM 21% 11th 2007/2008 GM 26% 10th 2008/2009 GM 23% 11th 2009/2010 GM 18% 10th 2010/2011 DL 21% 11th 2011/2012 DL 23% 8th 2012/2013 DL 23% 11th 2013/2014 DL 26% 8th 2014/2015 TC 13% 15 League games to and including 6th December 2014/2015 GT 26% 15 League games to date Some very good work there WP. However... Just for balance... The first 6 seasons had the Old Rangers in the league and the latter 3 seasons have, in effect, had the old Rangers replaced by a side from the second tier. This season also sees the exclusion of Hearts and last season had a weakened Hearts, whereas all the previous seasons had a Hearts which had the 3rd biggest wage budget in Scotland. So, its not a truly like for like comparison... Interesting to note though that GM's 4 seasons in the top flight see a better win % than DL's first 3 seasons... despite the fact that he had a £3 million debt and no training facilities for a large part of that era and DL didn't face Rangers in his second last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrong Planet Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 so calderwood is the man to re-build the club? i don't think so and putting him in short term with no chance of new players WON'T deliver a 40% win ratio. and we need might need a 75-85% win ratio to survive (not make the play-off, but actually survive in the SPL) No-one has any time to come in and turn things around in the 8 games we have left > so calderwood is the man to re-build the club? i don't think so.... Not sure if that was directed at myself beyond? Hope not as I in fact agree with you. I was simply providing the stats as a point of interest, nothing to do with Calderwood (or any other potential replacement candidate) at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrong Planet Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Some very good work there WP. However... Just for balance... The first 6 seasons had the Old Rangers in the league and the latter 3 seasons have, in effect, had the old Rangers replaced by a side from the second tier. This season also sees the exclusion of Hearts and last season had a weakened Hearts, whereas all the previous seasons had a Hearts which had the 3rd biggest wage budget in Scotland. So, its not a truly like for like comparison... Interesting to note though that GM's 4 seasons in the top flight see a better win % than DL's first 3 seasons... despite the fact that he had a £3 million debt and no training facilities for a large part of that era and DL didn't face Rangers in his second last season. > So, its not a truly like for like comparison... Agree entirely AA, it really was just a straightforward set of stats that I posted for interest, it was in no way an attempt to draw comparisons with one season or another. As per your examples, there are simply too many factors and complexities for that to ever be of any value. I guess there are themes to be drawn? As 'beyond our ken' has rightly eluded to, if we are going to survive then we certainly need to blow our average win% out of the water in the most spectacular form, starting a week on Friday against Celtic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastlandssaint Posted April 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Getting near the last chance saloon time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Getting near the last chance saloon timePint of lager please Sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ McG Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Getting near the last chance saloon time We are stuck with him until the end of the season, no chance will we get rid of him just now unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddiecat Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Pint of lager please Sir. Last chance saloon he said, not nae chance saloon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Calder Saint Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddiecat Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Yes The fact that Lewis Morgan was his first choice sub on Friday night speaks volumes about his inability as a manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Pint of lager please Sir. Gary must stay. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Calder Saint Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 This boy Morgan is light years away from the first team.He has been used as a sub a few times and I just cannot see his potential.He is lightweight and to pitch him against Ambrose defied logic.I just wonder what influence Longwell had.Deary me Gary is barely into coaching and yet our wonderful Board thought he could take us forward.You could not make all this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Getting near the last chance saloon timeAdmire the faith Neil play off at best I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windae cleaner Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 Admire the faith Neil play off at best I think. Now,i admire your faith big man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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