17/03/13 Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 (edited) Double post Edited June 14, 2015 by 17/03/13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Clearly Mcginn is trying get released so clubs don't need to pay a fee no player bigger than club I'd let him rot in the reserves Well if he is he's living in cloud cuckoo land. Why would we release him and lose out on £270,000? The answer is simple, we wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 I've heard John is no.1 prankster at the club. So what he got a cut in the leg, grow a pair of balls ya wee fanny So if someone stabbed you in the leg at work, you wouldn't claim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Who is the Lawyer, with the agenda? Probably this fella........https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRm2KtK8E6gFQv-3M2KhJHIOHPX6GqbNLEsvfxLnqD1lb9nhhW_yw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Call it what you want even jump up and down all you want clearly legal advice has been taken. Would be surprised if the club could be fined for this as the equipment was not faulty and used for purpose. Pole suck in ground as part of training excursive. So club can counter this and would win. Its Thompson who will be held accountable for bad behaviour. I'm very surprised to hear McGinn has taken legal advice , then again this is the Sun Newspaper. This is John McGinn ace card to get a move away from the club. Hope the club dig their heels in if the full amount cant be met for a move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 So if someone stabbed you in the leg at work, you wouldn't claim? I certainly wouldn't sue my company. If I'm 1 of 2 work colleagues fannying around & I come out worse then I would accept it as an accident & move on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Call it what you want even jump up and down all you want clearly legal advice has been taken. Would be surprised if the club could be fined for this as the equipment was not faulty and used for purpose. Pole suck in ground as part of training excursive. So club can counter this and would win. Its Thompson who will be held accountable for bad behaviour. I'm very surprised to hear McGinn has taken legal advice , then again this is the Sun Newspaper. This is John McGinn ace card to get a move away from the club. Hope the club dig their heels in if the full amount cant be met for a move Spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 What next?? The baw hits your face during a game & u sue. Someone tackles u & u sue. Get tae f**k!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 (edited) SG confirmed on Radio Scotland that a letter has been received and that the Club's lawyers and Insurance company are dealing with it. Edited June 14, 2015 by Sonny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 So if someone stabbed you in the leg at work, you wouldn't claim?Phone the police after you've called an ambulance. Claim wid be last thing on mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17/03/13 Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 SG confirmed on Radio Scotland that a letter has been received and that the Club's lawyers and Insurance company and dealing with it. Should take it to the lavvy with him & wipe his arse with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Probably this fella........https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRm2KtK8E6gFQv-3M2KhJHIOHPX6GqbNLEsvfxLnqD1lb9nhhW_ywThat's him. Bassa! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Monkey Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Lots of people continue to work for employers after taking action against them for personal injuries. Bit of a non story, tbh. He has every right to claim, but it shouldn't affect anything at all. It does, however, perhaps give an indication of his mindset towards SMFC right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billymehmet1 Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Thing. Is. We hold all The cards. McGinn is going nowhere unless someone pays for him. So f**k him. Wants to act like a dick hope they treat him like one St mirren fc have done no wrong. Stephen Thompson is to blame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E=Mc2 Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 It's a discipline & workplace control issue and Saints are vicariously liable for the actions of employees whilst at work. if the spear-chucking was typical of training-ground pranksterism then i'm afraid it is something the club should have thought about and adressed before someone got hurt. Individuals are also liable though and it could be that the action is deflected, partially or wholly, onto Thommo. McGinn was at work and doing what he was paid for when he innocently and blamelessy suffered a potentially serious injury. He could suffer ill-effects from that for years to come and is right to look after his interests. He could have fully recovered already or the scar tissue, which can be much tougher and less pliable than the rest of him, could cause secondary tears and tightness at any time. I hear that ladies who venture south to acquaint themselves with John's John retreat North at the sight of the scar. For that loss alone, he should get millions. Or perhaps John should thank Thommo if, in an effort to entice the ladies to his nether regions, he encourages them to view his scar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Last season was terrible unfortunately it is now spreading into the close season. You have to feel for Murray clearly one of two players will have to go. Murray would have like to keep both. Keeping both will effect the dressing room next season. Very sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripey Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Money seems to be the all and end all for almost all footballers. This country is becoming more like America every day whereby the byword for everything appears to be sue, but it appears in this case and having sought legal advice (NO DOUBT ONE OF THESE NO WIN NO FEE LEGAL COMPANIES ) than John Mc Ginn has been advised he has a case however whatever the outcome his relationship with the club will be acrimonious. I wouldn't be surprised if he is unsuccessful he then takes out a civil case against one of his teammates, namely Thommo, but he should be very wary of going down this line, he might find out he is outraised by whatever club he ends up at. Whatever happens he certainly has done his career no good at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Depends whether John is making his claim as a personal issue or a business issue. If purely business it not not affect anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Lots of people continue to work for employers after taking action against them for personal injuries. Bit of a non story, tbh. He has every right to claim, but it shouldn't affect anything at all. It does, however, perhaps give an indication of his mindset towards SMFC right now. It's maybe just me. Apologies. I just don't get what you are on about in the above drivel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 So if someone stabbed you in the leg at work, you wouldn't claim? Who, your employer or the person who stab you in the leg. Lets mastermind a plan with our workmates and we could all sue our bosses. Oh the possibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Dinnae sue me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billymehmet1 Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Thing. Is. How can he claim injuries against st mirren. They have done nothing wrong. It was an individual that caused the injury. Nothing to do with the football club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Thing. Is. How can he claim injuries against st mirren. They have done nothing wrong. It was an individual that caused the injury. Nothing to do with the football club Surely as an employer, the club has ultimate responsibility for the conduct of the employees. In the care sector, if one of our employees committed malpractice, the Group I work for could be prosecuted... OR a civil lawsuit could be taken out against the individual. I'm sure tjat insurance covered compensation is preferable to the alternative legal option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurich_allan Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 (edited) A lot of people on here who I didn't realise were Perry Masons in training. Beyond our ken has pretty much covered the issue, so there isn't anything major I'd need to add. Just a couple of points to address in response to some misunderstandings posted here. 1. It absolutely IS to do with the club. The incident happened during working time, within workplace premises, and with workplace equipment, at a time when the players were under coaches supervision. The whole incident is very closely linked to the club in a number of ways. 2. When discussing the fact that this happened as a result of a bit of 'dressing room banter gone wrong' may well be accurate, but this would absolutely NOT absolve the club from all blame. Workplace banter, plus other things like swearing, shouting etc. are not treated as a 'one fits all' case by courts. What is looked at is 'what is the norm in that industry / what is normally deemed acceptable behaviour in that line of work'. This is why in some areas of employment (chefs are one specific example I can cite), it cannot be a disciplinary issue when swearing at each other unless it is really extreme. That situation might be viewed totally differently to the same language being used in a customer facing sales role for example. In terms of footballers, dressing room banter is historical, known to clubs, and generally accepted, and so the question is 'could it be said that Thommo went too far, and did something totally unforeseeable?' or was it just bad luck and a freak accident. If it was bad luck, then the question is 'what guidelines or efforts to stop these things going too far did the club have in place?' and the issue should be raised by McGinn with / against the club. If Thommo went temporarily mental on a one man mission to spear McGinn by collecting a number of poles and reeling them off like a submachine gun, then he should be the one targeted by McGinn's lawyers. I doubt it was the latter. 3. Although it is the club being named in the action, McGinn's legal action is really just against the club's insurers. A lot of people on here are being incredibly unfair to John; he WILL have lost out on income, unless you think he wouldn't have been involved in any of those last few wins of the season. Had he played, he would more than likely have been entitled to be paid a contractual win bonus. I would wonder if the club made a discretionary payment to him to cover that or not? If they did, it MIGHT have negated the legal action. People are talking as though McGinn might be a 50k per week player for whom money is no object. The reality is that he's probably a 50k per year footballer, who might well be relying on pay just to cover ordinary bills. If he has been injured and had his ability to earn money taken away, why the hell shouldn't he be compensated for that??? Oh, and it will be absolutely NOTHING to do with engineering a move away or any other drivel that anyone else would like to mention similar to that, as the level of compsation the club are legally entitled to is in absolutely no way linked to or affected by this legal action. A lot of people on this thread are acting in a really pathetic and childish manner. Edited June 14, 2015 by zurich_allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Thing. Is. How can he claim injuries against st mirren. They have done nothing wrong. It was an individual that caused the injury. Nothing to do with the football club Because it happened in his place of work. An investigation needs to take place to see if St Mirren are culpable in any way. If not he may could sue Thommo. St Mirren could be culpable if they provide no H&S training; their training is inadequate; if they were negligent in supervision; if they were using equipment that did not meet safety standards ettc etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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