FTOF Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Eh? Ozturk is 22 and played a few games in the Eredevisie and some in the Turkish equivalent of the Championship? And the very fact that you're referring to Wilson as an experienced player (which in this context its fair to say he is), tells you how inexperienced Hearts were in general. So Wilson is experienced. Whew! Glad that's out of the way. Ozturk? 13 appearances fro FC Cambuur in the Dutch top league and 18 for a Turkish team in their 2nd tier. Way more experience than Baird. We could debate all day what is experienced and what isn't. Suffice to say, hearts defence had more experience in their central defence last season than our current options of Baird and Kelly. However, like it or not, our central defence will consist of either Kelly or Baird, plus an experienced CH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPAFKA Jersey 2 Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 (edited) So Wilson is experienced. Whew! Glad that's out of the way. Ozturk? 13 appearances fro FC Cambuur in the Dutch top league and 18 for a Turkish team in their 2nd tier. Way more experience than Baird. We could debate all day what is experienced and what isn't. Suffice to say, hearts defence had more experience in their central defence last season than our current options of Baird and Kelly. However, like it or not, our central defence will consist of either Kelly or Baird, plus an experienced CH. So a total of 31 appearances for a combination of Dutch also rans and the Turkish Dumbarton makes Ozturk an experienced player, but Sean Kelly with 64 SPL appearances under his belt is inexperienced? Righto. Anyway mate, we're like bald men fighting over a comb here. My original post was purely to bemoan the use of the tired "too inexperienced" Scottish mentality, not to justify the suitability of a Baird/Kelly central defensive combo. Edited July 8, 2015 by TPAFKA Jersey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Dumbarton have signed at least nine players now, are we a bit slow off the mark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garf Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Kelly, for his age, has a fair amount of playing time at a decent level. The problem for us is, only a few of those games have been at centre half. Granted I only saw one of them, and he played out of his skin, but he does need more games in the centre of defence before I'll be convinced he's the answer back there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPAFKA Jersey 2 Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 So a total of 31 appearances for a combination of Dutch also rans and the Turkish Dumbarton makes Ozturk an experienced player, but Sean Kelly with 64 SPL appearances under his belt is inexperienced? Righto. Anyway mate, we're like bald men fighting over a comb here. My original post was purely to bemoan the use of the tired "too inexperienced" Scottish mentality, not to justify the suitability of a Baird/Kelly central defensive combo. Sorry, also meant to add that Danny Wilson has made less top flight appearances than Sean Kelly and at the start of last season he was no more experienced than Kelly is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Yards Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Fair enough. You have your opinion, I have mine. I'm not really sure where your vision is coming from though. Afternoon drinking perchance? It's coming from 27 years experience of watching St Mirren! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldo_j Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Dumbarton have signed at least nine players now, are we a bit slow off the mark? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyg Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 There's no way we can start the season with a Baird/Kelly partnership. If we look at our young centre halves through the years who have done well they have all been paired with experience eg McQueen/W Fulton , Reid/ Young , M Fulton/Copland ,Broadfoot/Potter/Millen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffs Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 No. What is the big interest in Dumbarton all about? They get alot of mentions on here from certain people and have their own thread. Don't give a toss about Dumbarton. Only interested in St Mirren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 What is the big interest in Dumbarton all about? They get alot of mentions on here from certain people and have their own thread. Don't give a toss about Dumbarton. Only interested in St Mirren. We sign a lot of their employees past/present etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosferatu Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Sorry, also meant to add that Danny Wilson has made less top flight appearances than Sean Kelly and at the start of last season he was no more experienced than Kelly is now. 61 v 64 top flight appearances so very marginal! However, Danny Wilson was a year older, had made a couple of Premiership appearances, trained and played with Liverpool, played in the English Championship, played in 2 Hampden cup finals, played in European competition and won 5 caps for Scotland... Danny Wilson was undoubtedly more experienced at the start of last season than Sean Kelly is now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 There's no way we can start the season with a Baird/Kelly partnership. If we look at our young centre halves through the years who have done well they have all been paired with experience eg McQueen/W Fulton , Reid/ Young , M Fulton/Copland ,Broadfoot/Potter/Millen. Agree with this. An experienced right sided centre half - who can also play right back if needed - should be an absolute priority. Anyone know any free agents who fit the bill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Agree with this. An experienced right sided centre half - who can also play right back if needed - should be an absolute priority. Anyone know any free agents who fit the bill? ImageUploadedByBlack & White Army1436364287.810572.jpg Nice choice of cheese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Agree with this. An experienced right sided centre half - who can also play right back if needed - should be an absolute priority. Anyone know any free agents who fit the bill? ImageUploadedByBlack & White Army1436364287.810572.jpg Are you suggesting we should have a defence full of holes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Are you suggesting we should have a defence full of holes? It's emmental suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPAFKA Jersey 2 Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 61 v 64 top flight appearances so very marginal! However, Danny Wilson was a year older, had made a couple of Premiership appearances, trained and played with Liverpool, played in the English Championship, played in 2 Hampden cup finals, played in European competition and won 5 caps for Scotland... Danny Wilson was undoubtedly more experienced at the start of last season than Sean Kelly is now! I was only using FTOF's gauge of experience. Number of games played appeared to be good enough to justify Ozturk's experience, so I assumed he would consider it a reasonable measure that Wilson last season and Kelly this season were of equal experience. For what it's worth I agree with you. The bottom line is however that neither Wilson nor Kelly can be considered experienced pros and the fact that Wilson is slightly more experienced is neither here nor there. I don't think Wilson is any better a player now (with the benefit of his "experience") than he was when he was turning in excellent performances for Rangers that got him noticed by Liverpool. Anyway, my sole point remains that you don't need to be experienced to be good enough. And I reiterate that I'm in no way saying Kelly or Baird are good enough, just that their experience is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosferatu Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 I was only using FTOF's gauge of experience. Number of games played appeared to be good enough to justify Ozturk's experience, so I assumed he would consider it a reasonable measure that Wilson last season and Kelly this season were of equal experience. For what it's worth I agree with you. The bottom line is however that neither Wilson nor Kelly can be considered experienced pros and the fact that Wilson is slightly more experienced is neither here nor there. I don't think Wilson is any better a player now (with the benefit of his "experience") than he was when he was turning in excellent performances for Rangers that got him noticed by Liverpool. Anyway, my sole point remains that you don't need to be experienced to be good enough. And I reiterate that I'm in no way saying Kelly or Baird are good enough, just that their experience is irrelevant. I agree with most of that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie88 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Pretty sure he is a member of Ralston GC Jim McAllister might be suspending his membership at Ralston soon, he's on his way to Blackpool to sign a 2 year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Apologies for this not being news about an imminent signing....................... The manager in the PDEx stating, "We will add to our numbers certainly before the Dumbarton game in two weeks time." Hardly, earth shattering news, but suggests we're still waiting on certain players availability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Apologies for this not being news about an imminent signing....................... What a let down. I was getting all excited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turrabuddie Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Rather than speculate on who we may or may not be signing, who do we want to sign ? Most fans seem to agree we need another striker and an experienced CB and acknowledge that money is tight, but does anyone have any suggestions of who we should be looking at ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddies1877 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Don't think conlan is the answer to left back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Probably shite but what a name!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 ImageUploadedByBlack & White Army1438449579.914835.jpg Probably shite but what a name!! He played against us last week for Berwick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyg Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Don't think conlan is the answer to left back My first impressions of him last week were that he wasn't good enough ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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