Lord Pityme Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Given Dick Advocaat did the decent thing in the wake of another bad result for his Sunderland side, shouldn't Murray put whats best for the club and his career/family first and walk..? Wouldnt it be better all round for his future, as well as ours to put his hands up and admit he is out of his depth? The comments regarding him running up and down the stairs at the back of the stand to and from the dug out paint a picture of a guy with it all hanging round his neck. No one wants him to go throught that, or indeed witness the headless chicken syndrom he seems stuck in. We should expect our board as a responsible employer to see how this is affecting him, and take the decision to end his obvious turmoil, sadly they seem more likely to continue to let him suffer if it deflects the heat from them, rather than accept their responsibilities and duty of care to their employee. For crying out loud give the guy a break and let him go, he is in quite visible distress not knowing literally where to stand, sit or run to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedflanders123 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Would you walk away from a well paid job if you were struggling at work or, if confident, stay and try to resolve your difficulties? Remember, irrespective of whether he turns it around or not, he has a family to support. Much easier for Advocate as he has earned a great deal in his career and no doubt Sunderland would have paid him a much higher salary and pay off to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted October 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Would you walk away from a well paid job if you were struggling at work or, if confident, stay and try to resolve your difficulties? Remember, irrespective of whether he turns it around or not, he has a family to support. Much easier for Advocate as he has earned a great deal in his career and no doubt Sunderland would have paid him a much higher salary and pay off to go. The short answer Ned is Yes! Knowing what I know now it simply isnt worth it to continue in a job that clearly affects your mental state of well being! Regardless what short term financial hit you take, your health, and your famlies happiness are way, way more important than your pride. murray is young enough if he believes football management is still for him to come back in a better frame of mind, and at a level/club that fits his skill set. If he stays on he will continue to harm himself and those he loves and cares for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Again LPM your such a drama queen....... Why would he walk 10/11 games into a role. What does that say about his mental state. If Murray gets sacked that's different. Murray by walking effectively ends his chances. He was a respected manager, now he is crap. Eh No. Don't believe it. As shown with Gus and Danny there is something seriously adrift at Saints, no one is pulling together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted October 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Again LPM your such a drama queen....... Why would he walk 10/11 games into a role. What does that say about his mental state. If Murray gets sacked that's different. Murray by walking effectively ends his chances. He was a respected manager, now he is crap. Eh No. Don't believe it.As shown with Gus and Danny there is something seriously adrift at Saints, no one is pulling together Bitch..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Given Dick Advocaat did the decent thing in the wake of another bad result for his Sunderland side, shouldn't Murray put whats best for the club and his career/family first and walk..? The mans not for walking, he'll wait to be pushed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripey Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Again LPM your such a drama queen....... Why would he walk 10/11 games into a role. What does that say about his mental state. If Murray gets sacked that's different. Murray by walking effectively ends his chances. He was a respected manager, now he is crap. Eh No. Don't believe it. As shown with Gus and Danny there is something seriously adrift at Saints, no one is pulling together When was Murray ever a respected manager? In LPM post he is, in my opinion, displaying his opinion about the state of his Murrays Mental Health and why the board of Directors of St.Mirren football Club should show some compassion and dismiss Murray for his own sake and that of his families wellbeing or Murray should do the honourable thing and resign. To that extent I agree with LPM but it will not happen and I am also in agreement to a certain extent with DougJamie, why would anyone in the right frame of mind resign from a job that would see him loose 1 & half years salary. No matter the good intensions displayed by LPM in his post about Murray and his family, I would doubt very much indeed, despite displaying an interest in Murrays mental health, that he could afford to resign and would go as far to state that resigning and ending up with money worries, would affect that of Murrays mental health more and bring more pressure on his family. Finally I agree with DougJamie on another point, that being, there is something seriously adrift at Saints, with no one pulling together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 No matter the good intensions displayed by LPM in his post about Murray and his family.... This is a wind-up, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad saint 2 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 if he is so mentally unstable its is the duty off his employer to give him paid leave to help with the stress ,he will not walk we would be paying off another one ,early also . we the fans cant wak away .so give him the help he needs from the bod , always quite from them ,not even its a rebuilding job or new players need time to gel. left out to dry , players need to take some responsibility for performance time to pull the finger out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripey Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 This is a wind-up, right? You are probably right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Given Dick Advocaat did the decent thing in the wake of another bad result for his Sunderland side, shouldn't Murray put whats best for the club and his career/family first and walk..? Wouldnt it be better all round for his future, as well as ours to put his hands up and admit he is out of his depth? The comments regarding him running up and down the stairs at the back of the stand to and from the dug out paint a picture of a guy with it all hanging round his neck. No one wants him to go throught that, or indeed witness the headless chicken syndrom he seems stuck in. We should expect our board as a responsible employer to see how this is affecting him, and take the decision to end his obvious turmoil, sadly they seem more likely to continue to let him suffer if it deflects the heat from them, rather than accept their responsibilities and duty of care to their employee. For crying out loud give the guy a break and let him go, he is in quite visible distress not knowing literally where to stand, sit or run to! TBH this is a disgusting post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted October 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 if he is so mentally unstable its is the duty off his employer to give him paid leave to help with the stress ,he will not walk we would be paying off another one ,early also . we the fans cant wak away .so give him the help he needs from the bod , always quite from them ,not even its a rebuilding job or new players need time to gel. left out to dry , players need to take some responsibility for performance time to pull the finger out Well said Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigerian Panda Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 FFS ............ state of mind mental stability his career/family Duty of care ....... bullshit! what about the Supporters! we are suffering from everyone of those listed having to watch the shit that being produced on a weekly basis. albeit I only get to games when I'm home but I certainly suffer big time when I open up BBC sports and there it is .......... a draw a defeat ......... another poor performance. It hasn't worked out so let's do the decent thing and bag him and his side kick. I work in an industry that slashing salaries paying off thousands all because the oil price is low. Does any of the Oil companies take any of the listed into consideration. Nope! it's simply yer bagged! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 if he is so mentally unstable its is the duty off his employer to give him paid leave to help with the stress ,he will not walk we would be paying off another one ,early also . we the fans cant wak away .so give him the help he needs from the bod , always quite from them ,not even its a rebuilding job or new players need time to gel. left out to dry , players need to take some responsibility for performance time to pull the finger out is that a copy & paste from last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Hughes in BlueSuedeShoes Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 is that a copy & paste from last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athens-saint Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 If I remember correctly did Murray not say he would walk if by December we were languishing at the bottom end of the table? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulysses Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 If I remember correctly did Murray not say he would walk if by December we were languishing at the bottom end of the table? I think he said that if we were sitting second bottom at Christmas, he wouldn't be here, or words to that effect. Never said he would walk, but indicated he would be away - maybe there's a clause in his contract that if we're in the lower positions by Christmas, he can be sacked with minimum compensation? Highly doubt it, probably paying too much attention to what he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Given Dick Advocaat did the decent thing in the wake of another bad result for his Sunderland side, shouldn't Murray put whats best for the club and his career/family first and walk..? Wouldnt it be better all round for his future, as well as ours to put his hands up and admit he is out of his depth? The comments regarding him running up and down the stairs at the back of the stand to and from the dug out paint a picture of a guy with it all hanging round his neck. No one wants him to go throught that, or indeed witness the headless chicken syndrom he seems stuck in. We should expect our board as a responsible employer to see how this is affecting him, and take the decision to end his obvious turmoil, sadly they seem more likely to continue to let him suffer if it deflects the heat from them, rather than accept their responsibilities and duty of care to their employee. For crying out loud give the guy a break and let him go, he is in quite visible distress not knowing literally where to stand, sit or run to! So because you have given up so should he. This is the sort of tam kite I expect from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erskinebud Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Given Dick Advocaat did the decent thing in the wake of another bad result for his Sunderland side, shouldn't Murray put whats best for the club and his career/family first and walk..? Wouldnt it be better all round for his future, as well as ours to put his hands up and admit he is out of his depth? . Walking out really worked out well for Kevin Keegan's management career, didn't it? Who is he managing now? I'm sure doing "what's best for ... his career/family" really made his CV stand out in any management opportunities that came up since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 There's absolutely no chance whatsoever that Murray will resign. Comparison with Advocaat is duff too. Old Dick is in his 60's and is a multimillionaire. He retired in the summer and was talked back out of it, he hardly resigned for the good of his career. Murray isn't a millionaire, he isn't in his 60's and he isn't leaving unless we pay him off. Which we won't, not in the short term anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottd Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 There's absolutely no chance whatsoever that Murray will resign. Comparison with Advocaat is duff too. Old Dick is in his 60's and is a multimillionaire. He retired in the summer and was talked back out of it, he hardly resigned for the good of his career. Murray isn't a millionaire, he isn't in his 60's and he isn't leaving unless we pay him off. Which we won't, not in the short term anyway. Yep. Looks as though we're going to have to grin and bear it, and keep on listening to the relentless moaning on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 There's absolutely no chance whatsoever that Murray will resign. Comparison with Advocaat is duff too. Old Dick is in his 60's and is a multimillionaire. He retired in the summer and was talked back out of it, he hardly resigned for the good of his career. Murray isn't a millionaire, he isn't in his 60's and he isn't leaving unless we pay him off. Which we won't, not in the short term anyway. Advocaat said yesterday that he resigned cause he got bored. He's had no pay off from Sunderland. He was neither pushed or cajoled into leaving the club. He just decided that he wanted to retire and to spend more time with his wife. That's perfectly fair and reasonable IMO. I agree with you though. Murray won't walk away from St Mirren, because quite frankly he's got nothing else to go to. Instead this is going to be the same old protracted and painful pile of shit that this board of directors has inflicted on the club support where their woefully inept appointment is made to limp on for months and months while the board cower for cover. I'll tell you what though - if Murray does eventually vacate the post the first thing that should rule out any candidate is them submitting a cv. Anyone who actually wants the St Mirren job, working for Gilmour, has to be either desperate, mentally retarded, or a complete and utter sadist. Over the complete history of Gilmour's time as Chairman at the club the St Mirren managers post has been a death bed for the career of any fool that has chosen to take it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted October 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Walking out really worked out well for Kevin Keegan's management career, didn't it? Who is he managing now? I'm sure doing "what's best for ... his career/family" really made his CV stand out in any management opportunities that came up since. Keegan retired, he runs a string of soccer schools, is a multi millionaire, managed several top,flight clubs and his country, as has Gordon Strachan! So you were saying about someone putting their hands up, telling all they F'd up, then going on from strength to strength..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Keegan retired, he runs a string of soccer schools, is a multi millionaire, managed several top,flight clubs and his country, as has Gordon Strachan! So you were saying about someone putting their hands up, telling all they F'd up, then going on from strength to strength..? Comparing Keegan and Strachan to Murray is risible. This was a faux-pas of a thread. Let it die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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