Callum Gilhooley Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Very carefully worded isn't it? Now was there a bid from Tata? It would be extremely odd if they didn't since they had already poured investment into the two Scottish sites in expectation of getting the order http://www.thenational.scot/news/no-scots-bids-for-forth-bridge-contract.8986?utm_medium=social&utm_source=Facebook&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_term=Autofeed#link_time=1445407373 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingscot Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Tata were part of a consortium bidding for the work were they not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) It's a shame these companies have gone taking their jobs with them but the root problem is a poverty of ambition within the entire UK and specifically within Scotland. We simply lack sufficient numbers of risk takers. Those we do have are slaughtered and laughed at for every mistake they make. We do not have an entrepreneurial culture. Instead we have vast swathes of the population prepared to live mediocre lives as wage slaves to other people. There's nothing inherently wrong with being mediocre but we have far too many in that position. We don't value success. It's in our culture to knock the successful and ridicule failures - usually from the safety of our warm armchairs. I'm afraid this is the reality. The days of 1000+ employee companies within our border is coming to an end and it won't be replaced. That's what needs tackled and we should be starting to target young teenagers in terms of convincing them to be business leaders. Older generations are perhaps something of a write-off in this respect. ETA: on reflection, why bother. Edited October 23, 2015 by Drew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) http://www.thenational.scot/news/no-scots-bids-for-forth-bridge-contract.8986?utm_medium=social&utm_source=Facebook&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_term=Autofeed#link_time=1445407373 So according to Nationalist propaganda only a small subcontract was awarded to Tata Steel, a tiny part of which was to be fulfilled in Motherwell. Tata most definitely had the capacity to produce the steel for the whole contract and Fergus Ewing claimed on National TV that Tata Steel produces better quality steel yet the SNP Government chose to buy a lower grade product from China. The statement is very carefully worded. Tata is NOT a Scottish Company. It is an Indian Company that has invested heavily in UK Steel manufacture including the last two Steelworks in Scotland. The SNP are totally culpable in these job losses. At least the Conservatives were buying British for their expensive and expansive Crossrail project and they are looking now to INCREASE the procurement from Tata Steel in a bid to save jobs in the UK Steel industry. What exactly is Nicola Sturgeon doing except generating a lot of flatulent wind. I suppose next it will be interesting to see where Ferguson Shipbuilders have sourced their steel for their two Cal-Mac ferries. Surely a company "saved" by such a high profile politically motivated and spun campaign by the SNP Government before being handed to one of the parties biggest funders, would have had the decency to fulfil that life saving government order using steel that had been finished at Cambuslang and Motherwell? Oh by the way - this morning I also found out another tasty wee nugget about the Queensferry Crossing project. Apparently the Spanish Steel firm that the Scottish Government placed an order with for girders didn't have the capacity to do the work and dropped out of the work threatening to cause huge delays and escalating costs on the bridge construction. That part of the project was saved by Cleveland Bridge who used Dalzell Steelworks to rescue the project. It would appear that this is the part of the contract that the SNP propaganda machine are trying to take credit for in these press releases! Wankers! Edited October 23, 2015 by Stuart Dickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 So according to Nationalist propaganda only a small subcontract was awarded to Tata Steel, a tiny part of which was to be fulfilled in Motherwell. Tata most definitely had the capacity to produce the steel for the whole contract and Fergus Ewing claimed on National TV that Tata Steel produces better quality steel yet the SNP Government chose to buy a lower grade product from China. The statement is very carefully worded. Tata is NOT a Scottish Company. It is an Indian Company that has invested heavily in UK Steel manufacture including the last two Steelworks in Scotland. The SNP are totally culpable in these job losses. At least the Conservatives were buying British for their expensive and expansive Crossrail project and they are looking now to INCREASE the procurement from Tata Steel in a bid to save jobs in the UK Steel industry. What exactly is Nicola Sturgeon doing except generating a lot of flatulent wind. I suppose next it will be interesting to see where Ferguson Shipbuilders have sourced their steel for their two Cal-Mac ferries. Surely a company "saved" by such a high profile politically motivated and spun campaign by the SNP Government before being handed to one of the parties biggest funders, would have had the decency to fulfil that life saving government order using steel that had been finished at Cambuslang and Motherwell? Oh by the way - this morning I also found out another tasty wee nugget about the Queensferry Crossing project. Apparently the Spanish Steel firm that the Scottish Government placed an order with for girders didn't have the capacity to do the work and dropped out of the work threatening to cause huge delays and escalating costs on the bridge construction. That part of the project was saved by Cleveland Bridge who used Dalzell Steelworks to rescue the project. It would appear that this is the part of the contract that the SNP propaganda machine are trying to take credit for in these press releases! Wankers! Did you actually read the article ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 From 2013 A spokesman for Tata said then: “Tata Steel can confirm they did participate indirectly in the tendering process for the Forth Bridge contract and their Dalzell works is capable of supplying a significant proportion of the steel required.” Last year Mr Roy said: “How could it be possible to give a 24,000 tonnes of steel order to a Chinese firm who will have to ship the steel 12,600 miles from Shanghai, yet ignore our steelworks only 34 miles along the M8 from the Forth?” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 The crisis that is the end of the UK steel making capacity tells you all you need to know about an out of touch, in it for a quick buck Tory Government. The UK economy continues to bump along the bottom with the odd tip up, indeed the Tories make much of China and a few other unsavouries choosing to invest here. In reality these countries and companies have taken over all our utilities and commodities. As soon as they become unprofitable the likes of China etc will drop us like a stone, and we will see our economy crash just like Ireland's did! There's is such a small base in our country of actual UK owned production that any dip from here on in will be catastrophic. China recognise this, and have taken steps to prevent it happening to them by taking over the world's steel production, giving them along with all their other production a strong manaufacturing base that can weather exonomic dips. And sincebthe Tories have consistently told europe to f**k off..... There'll be no Greek style bail out forthcoming! Our banking industry, manufacturers like Nissan in Sunderland etc have already said if we leave Europe then it is not viable for them to remain here, and they will relocate production to mainland europe. The tories made us so weak in the 80's, and Cameron is intent on doing it again! Ask him whwre his Dad kept his money? I Will give you a clue... It wasn't "Onshore". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Did you actually read the article ? Absolutely. It's a carefully spun piece of shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 The crisis that is the end of the UK steel making capacity tells you all you need to know about an out of touch, in it for a quick buck Tory Government. The UK economy continues to bump along the bottom with the odd tip up, indeed the Tories make much of China and a few other unsavouries choosing to invest here. In reality these countries and companies have taken over all our utilities and commodities. As soon as they become unprofitable the likes of China etc will drop us like a stone, and we will see our economy crash just like Ireland's did! There's is such a small base in our country of actual UK owned production that any dip from here on in will be catastrophic. China recognise this, and have taken steps to prevent it happening to them by taking over the world's steel production, giving them along with all their other production a strong manaufacturing base that can weather exonomic dips. And sincebthe Tories have consistently told europe to f**k off..... There'll be no Greek style bail out forthcoming! Our banking industry, manufacturers like Nissan in Sunderland etc have already said if we leave Europe then it is not viable for them to remain here, and they will relocate production to mainland europe. The tories made us so weak in the 80's, and Cameron is intent on doing it again! Ask him whwre his Dad kept his money? I Will give you a clue... It wasn't "Onshore". Oh FFS. 1. The Conservative Government, incase you missed it, has made it's official position that we want to stay in the EU. 2. Nissan boss, Carlos Ghosn, said that Nissan may have to reconsider it's position in Sunderland if the UK left the EU. He hasn't said they would relocate their most productive and successful plant anywhere in the world. 3. The Conservative Government of the 1980's rebuilt the UK after the devastation we were left with from Labours disasterous running of the economy in the 1970s - much that same as it's having to do now. Thank f**k for the Conservative Government and it's ability to successfully run the UK economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambiebud Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Oh FFS. 1. The Conservative Government, incase you missed it, has made it's official position that we want to stay in the EU. 2. Nissan boss, Carlos Ghosn, said that Nissan may have to reconsider it's position in Sunderland if the UK left the EU. He hasn't said they would relocate their most productive and successful plant anywhere in the world. 3. The Conservative Government of the 1980's rebuilt the UK after the devastation we were left with from Labours disasterous running of the economy in the 1970s - much that same as it's having to do now. Thank f**k for the Conservative Government and it's ability to successfully run the UK economy. Oh dear. Have NHS cutbacks meant your medication being late this week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 The crisis that is the end of the UK steel making capacity tells you all you need to know about an out of touch, in it for a quick buck Tory Government. The UK economy continues to bump along the bottom with the odd tip up, indeed the Tories make much of China and a few other unsavouries choosing to invest here. In reality these countries and companies have taken over all our utilities and commodities. As soon as they become unprofitable the likes of China etc will drop us like a stone, and we will see our economy crash just like Ireland's did! There's is such a small base in our country of actual UK owned production that any dip from here on in will be catastrophic. China recognise this, and have taken steps to prevent it happening to them by taking over the world's steel production, giving them along with all their other production a strong manaufacturing base that can weather exonomic dips. And sincebthe Tories have consistently told europe to f**k off..... There'll be no Greek style bail out forthcoming! Our banking industry, manufacturers like Nissan in Sunderland etc have already said if we leave Europe then it is not viable for them to remain here, and they will relocate production to mainland europe. The tories made us so weak in the 80's, and Cameron is intent on doing it again! Ask him whwre his Dad kept his money? I Will give you a clue... It wasn't "Onshore". Indeed. We used to be only the 6th biggest economy on the planet. Now we are the 5th biggest having recently overtaken France with their total fud of a socialist president in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 $2,828bn for the UK and $2,827bn for France (totally ignoring the margin of error). I assume that you think that Camoron is a socialist as well, then. Or were you not trying to link socialism and size of economy? Or were you trying to make some other nonsense point? Or have you just not called anyone a socialist lately? The size of a country's economy is not really a good measurement unless you are comparing similar sized countries. You know that anyway, you're just trying to shit stir. Even for you that's a retarded post. France - Population 66.03m UK - Population 64.1m I'd say there were two similar sized countries. Even putting that point aside it's perfectly clear what Reynard is saying. The UK under a Conservative Government has got an economy that is one of the fastest growing in the world right now. He's also absolutely right. The UK has overtaken France in terms of the size of our economy and in terms of our GDP per Capita. We've done so because of the sound fiscal management of the UK economy by George Osbourne and David Cameron whose policies are putting Francois Hollandes government to shame. I guess it should also be noted right enough that in the last five years the French government has shown more support of the British Steel industry than the Scottish Government. 50,000 tonnes of Tata Steel went to the new Brittany - Loire Valley rail line. Shame the Scottish Government couldn't find it in them to support the Scottish Steelwork industry with orders when it had the opportunity. How much Tata Steel went into the new University Hospital in Glasgow and how much of that project was built with steel from China? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) I'm just wondering what the SNP are going to do about the latest large scale job losses in North Lanarkshire and Edinburgh? Forget the 270 Scottish Steel jobs that are being lost because the Scottish Government opted to buy cheap, lower quality Chinese Steel for their landmark project - the Queenferry Crossing. A far bigger jobs crisis appears to be hitting our local authorities. The Conservative Government in Westminster has been roundly criticised by Nicola Sturgeon as she vows to "end austerity" yet right here on our own doorstep wee Nicola's Government is forcing Local Authorities to cut jobs and services at an astronomical rate through their refusal to end the current Council Tax freeze. So far the SNP/Labour Coalition led Edinburgh City Council has announced that it will be forced to shed some 2,000 staff - around 12% of it's workforce - by 2019 EVEN IF THE FREEZE IS REMOVED AND THEY ARE ALLOWED TO RAISE COUNCIL TAX BY 3 EACH YEAR FROM 2017 to 2019%! They say if the freeze isn't removed by the Scottish Government they will have to go back on a pledge not to have compulsory redundancies and that need for savings and as a result job losses will "increase significantly". Over in North Lanarkshire the same Scottish Government policy sees the local Labour run council announce that 1,095 jobs are to go in the next two years. More local authorities around Scotland are also expected to announce large scale redundancies over the coming weeks and months. So what is the Scottish Government going to do about all those job losses and lost services enforced on the Scottish population as a direct result of SNP policies? Now don't get me wrong. Fundamentally I am all for paying less tax year on year. I'm all for cutting our bloated Public Sector and enforcing whole scale efficiencies on those Councils who waste our money. But it's hardly the image the SNP likes to paint of itself when it talks about raising taxes in Scotland to fund more public services if and when they get control of Scottish Income Tax returns. What should be believed when Sturgeon spouts her rhetoric? Should we believe the hard evidence in front of us where the SNP have decimated our NHS, demoralised our ambulance service, wreaked havoc on our education system and castrated our Police Force by flooding 999 call centres with Police Officers who aren't trained on how to use the call logging systems or should we take her word for it, in defiance of all evidence, that our public services are safe in her hands? Edited October 24, 2015 by Stuart Dickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosferatu Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 I don't know why u bother Stuart Ernie doesn't even know where public debt comes from and cock1987 is a lying bigot. Let these cnuts wallow in their low paid jobs. #thichasfcuch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) Where did I say that the UK and France were not similar sized countries? I'll give you a clue, just fill in the vowels - n*wh*r*. (No, it's not nawhuri, thicko.) My point about the size of countries was not referring to the UK or France, hence the new paragraph I started. It was saying that a league table of economies tells you almost nothing unless you use it in the correct way. For instance, seeing as you always like comparing things to household budgets, if my "household economy" generated £30000 a year and yours generated £31000 a year but you had a large mortgage, maintenance payments, travel expenses to work and credit card bills while I had paid off my mortgage, no maintenance payments, lived within walking distance of my work and no debt, who's "economy" would be in a "healthier state"? Also, the UK may or may not have surpassed France as the amount is well within the margin of error and GDP per Capita is a stupid way of trying to prove anything (unless, again, it is combined with other relevant information) even though ALL political parties use it on its own when it suits them. Having said all that, I don't give a f**k about France. Apologies, to anyone who has it on ignore, for quoting it. Ah you Natsis and your hypocrisy. Remember just over two years ago? The daft Natsi party was busy telling us that an Independent Scotland would be the 14th richest economy in the world. Indeed it was one of their biggest boasts to try to convince the politically sane in Scotland to do something insane and vote for Independence. Well what measure do you think the Natsi's used? GDP per capita. Of course NOW you think it's a stupid way to measure anything. Thank f**k for the 55% heroes that saved Scotland and kept us great. If we'd listened to these SNP Yes men we'd have been in a hell of a f**king mess scraping around with Greece hoping for some sort of handout. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26614122 Edited October 24, 2015 by Stuart Dickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proudtobeabuddy Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 I don't know why u bother Stuart Ernie doesn't even know where public debt comes from and cock1987 is a lying bigot. Let these cnuts wallow in their low paid jobs. #thichasfcuch You put way too much energy into trolling as does Stuart....take up a hobby or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 $2,828bn for the UK and $2,827bn for France (totally ignoring the margin of error). I assume that you think that Camoron is a socialist as well, then. Or were you not trying to link socialism and size of economy? Or were you trying to make some other nonsense point? Or have you just not called anyone a socialist lately? The size of a country's economy is not really a good measurement unless you are comparing similar sized countries. You know that anyway, you're just trying to shit stir. Oh dear. Oh dear. Oh dear. I think you should get back to throwing your own ordure around like the other chimps do. Maybe attempt peeling a banana with your feet too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Thats doing it on gdp growth alone. The separatist cretins absolutely hate this kind of thing as it exposes the fact they are just a bunch of anti English racist cunts. Its a good job Nicola has now booted independence off in the heather and that Swinney and Geoff Aberdein are now admitting their economic case was bollocks and has got more difficult as Swinney presides over his bloated public sector and oil based clusterf**k. Still, theres always that rat keeper from Bath to read. He might keep spirits up when it sinks in that the cause is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Ah you Natsis and your hypocrisy. Remember just over two years ago? The daft Natsi party was busy telling us that an Independent Scotland would be the 14th richest economy in the world. Indeed it was one of their biggest boasts to try to convince the politically sane in Scotland to do something insane and vote for Independence. Well what measure do you think the Natsi's used? GDP per capita. Of course NOW you think it's a stupid way to measure anything. Thank f**k for the 55% heroes that saved Scotland and kept us great. If we'd listened to these SNP Yes men we'd have been in a hell of a f**king mess scraping around with Greece hoping for some sort of handout. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26614122 I see the north sea oil fields made a loss. Its a good job Swinney convinced the scheme goblins it was all just a bonus. If the truth came out that and independent scotland could not afford to keep its welfare gibbons in the manner they became accustomed to there would have been riots if we'd been stupid enough to vote for a lifetime of greek style austerity last Sept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorizaar Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 I'm just wondering what the SNP are going to do about the latest large scale job losses in North Lanarkshire and Edinburgh? Forget the 270 Scottish Steel jobs that are being lost because the Scottish Government opted to buy cheap, lower quality Chinese Steel for their landmark project - the Queenferry Crossing. A far bigger jobs crisis appears to be hitting our local authorities. The Conservative Government in Westminster has been roundly criticised by Nicola Sturgeon as she vows to "end austerity" yet right here on our own doorstep wee Nicola's Government is forcing Local Authorities to cut jobs and services at an astronomical rate through their refusal to end the current Council Tax freeze. So far the SNP/Labour Coalition led Edinburgh City Council has announced that it will be forced to shed some 2,000 staff - around 12% of it's workforce - by 2019 EVEN IF THE FREEZE IS REMOVED AND THEY ARE ALLOWED TO RAISE COUNCIL TAX BY 3 EACH YEAR FROM 2017 to 2019%! They say if the freeze isn't removed by the Scottish Government they will have to go back on a pledge not to have compulsory redundancies and that need for savings and as a result job losses will "increase significantly". Over in North Lanarkshire the same Scottish Government policy sees the local Labour run council announce that 1,095 jobs are to go in the next two years. More local authorities around Scotland are also expected to announce large scale redundancies over the coming weeks and months. So what is the Scottish Government going to do about all those job losses and lost services enforced on the Scottish population as a direct result of SNP policies? Now don't get me wrong. Fundamentally I am all for paying less tax year on year. I'm all for cutting our bloated Public Sector and enforcing whole scale efficiencies on those Councils who waste our money. But it's hardly the image the SNP likes to paint of itself when it talks about raising taxes in Scotland to fund more public services if and when they get control of Scottish Income Tax returns. What should be believed when Sturgeon spouts her rhetoric? Should we believe the hard evidence in front of us where the SNP have decimated our NHS, demoralised our ambulance service, wreaked havoc on our education system and castrated our Police Force by flooding 999 call centres with Police Officers who aren't trained on how to use the call logging systems or should we take her word for it, in defiance of all evidence, that our public services are safe in her hands? http://m.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-government-council-tax-freeze-over-funded-1-3895177#axzz3pTXaT7S4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 He's not a plumber, he's a shite watchman. Do keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Why is it the tory supporters on here aren't bragging about the deficit being cleared this year as promised? I was arguing for it to be wiped at the last parliament. By arguing for the deficit "to be cleared", do you understand that you are calling for actual austerity rather than the very slight real terms rise in spending we have had for the past five years? Any idiot lefty criticising Osborne for missing his targets is presumably calling for massive spending cuts. Its the only way they can run with that particular ball. When it comes to being fiscally glaiket, nobody beats a f**ktard SNP fanboy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 The UK government has given a cheap loan of £45 million to a steel company owned by the Chelsea owner. The loan will be used to upgrade a Canadian steel mill jointly owned by Abramovich's company and Mitsubishi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Osborne announced infrastructure projects for Englandshire last week. I wonder who's supplying the steel? clue: the Chinese premier had just been on state visit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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