FS Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Genuine pilots would not be attending a flying school So where do 'genuine' pilots learn to fly then... on an Open University course ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Why would any terrorist choose the most heavily vetted route? That didn't answer my question. I was curious as to the methods employed by others who have perpetrated such atrocities, yet haven't utilised the refugee route. The men who flew the 9/11 planes, the Norwegian who killed dozens of young people on an island etc. As I say, when the will is there. We cannot turn our backs on tens of thousands of people who are fleeing the very terror that was inflicted upon Paris last night because we believe that this will protect us. It won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Indeed Drew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Okay, I'll bite. Describe 'proper border controls'. A return to the days where every passport is checked regardless of what country you are travelling from, and where cars, trains and lorries are properly checked at all entry points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) What ideas if any does anyone have how this can be stopped forever. Most situations like this get resolved round a table getting IS to a table is one thing. How can you possibly get an organization who rape children and slave them while raping woman and beheading men. I seen a picture of a town that had many heads on poles all along a street. How can you make peace with such groups. How can this IS be stopped so what's your take. Sadly, I'm not sure that we ever could. In much the same way that we couldn't ensure that a man will never murder and butcher his step-sister, or murder a class full of primary pupils and their teacher. We can try to mitigate, but will struggle to eradicate. Edited November 14, 2015 by Drew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 So where do 'genuine' pilots learn to fly then... on an Open University course ? i would presume a "genuine pilot" would be one who is fully trained and fully qualified. Just like a "genuine car driver" is someone who can legally drive a car on his own, rather than a learner who needs a genuine car driver sitting next to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 A return to the days where every passport is checked regardless of what country you are travelling from, and where cars, trains and lorries are properly checked at all entry points. Fair enough. To be honest, I can't remember travelling anywhere outside the UK and not having my passport checked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCCABE Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Yep, as I thought. It doesn't fit the agenda, therefore it's better if it's ignored. It's time for the return of proper border controls including for those travelling from Europe. Proper border controls are needed right now and it's not to protect us from "Uncle Sam's Aggression" The illegal invasion of Grenada. Please tell how that was not an example of Uncle Sam's aggression? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 That didn't answer my question. I was curious as to the methods employed by others who have perpetrated such atrocities, yet haven't utilised the refugee route. The men who flew the 9/11 planes, the Norwegian who killed dozens of young people on an island etc. As I say, when the will is there. We cannot turn our backs on tens of thousands of people who are fleeing the very terror that was inflicted upon Paris last night because we believe that this will protect us. It won't. None of us want to see refuges stopped who are feeling unimaginable terror Drew. Do you see a line of immigration officers at boarders with computers checking everyone's passport 500,000 at a time. Some IS must be getting through this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 None of us want to see refuges stopped who are feeling unimaginable terror Drew. Do you see a line of immigration officers at boarders with computers checking everyone's passport 500,000 at a time. Some IS must be getting through this way. Aye, but there are numerous routes in and out. There is a danger that we assume the movement of refugees is the easiest and preferred route. I don't believe it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Fair enough. To be honest, I can't remember travelling anywhere outside the UK and not having my passport checked. From the UK you are right Drew. However drive a car from Holland to Germany no check. drive the same car into Austria no check. drive onto Lichtenstein no check then into Switzerland no check. Have done this route that's why I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 The illegal invasion of Grenada. Please tell how that was not an example of Uncle Sam's aggression? You not going to answer my requests first? Nope? Grenada was an act of US aggression. However Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was not. The terrorist attacks perpetrated by 4 Syrians in Beiruit on Thursday were not acts of US aggression, and similarly the terrorist attacks in Paris yesterday were not acts of US aggression. "Uncle Sam" is not responsible for everything that is bad in the world, no matter how skewed your agenda obviously is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Aye, but there are numerous routes in and out. There is a danger that we assume the movement of refugees is the easiest and preferred route. I don't believe it is.Esp when the same people tell you that he had a passport. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Fair enough. To be honest, I can't remember travelling anywhere outside the UK and not having my passport checked. You haven't travelled to Ireland then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) From the UK you are right Drew. However drive a car from Holland to Germany no check. drive the same car into Austria no check. drive onto Lichtenstein no check then into Switzerland no check. Have done this route that's why I know.Okay, cheers Iain. I was talking about this the other day. I tend to go direct, and have limited international travel experience. I don't have an issue with checks at borders, to be honest. ETA - bloody phone! Edited November 14, 2015 by Drew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCCABE Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 So the US is to blame for everything. No doubt you'll be able to back that statement up with evidence given your occupational skills. I can't wait to hear why you think the US got Saddam Hussain to launch gas attacks on his Kurdish population. I can't wait to hear how you think the US were to blame for Iraq invading Kuwait. Maybe you can tell me what part the US played in the Rwandan civil war? Maybe you can tell me how the US started the various genocides in Bosnia and Serbia. I'm looking forward to this, I'm just hoping you'll stop short of blaming the US for Nazi Germany gassing it's Jews otherwise I really will think you've lost the plot. The US has regularly funded terrorist groups in order to suit their own agenda. Who trained Bin Laden in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets? That's right good old Uncle Sam. US only fought Iraq to get back the cheap oil from Kuwait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Aye, but there are numerous routes in and out. There is a danger that we assume the movement of refugees is the easiest and preferred route. I don't believe it is.I remember reading a book that said in war you have to think the way the enemy do to be successful. So we want to sneak people from a terrorist organization into Europe. I know what way I would send them. Then when in Europe set up sleeping cells to train would be lost souls into blowing themselves up. After all their is 200 virgin wives waiting for you on the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 News reports that a US airstrike in Libya has taken out IS leader al-Zubaydi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCCABE Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 You not going to answer my requests first? Nope? Grenada was an act of US aggression. However Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was not. The terrorist attacks perpetrated by 4 Syrians in Beiruit on Thursday were not acts of US aggression, and similarly the terrorist attacks in Paris yesterday were not acts of US aggression. "Uncle Sam" is not responsible for everything that is bad in the world, no matter how skewed your agenda obviously is. Do you condone the invasion of Grenada to oust a legal government just because it was socialist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 The US has regularly funded terrorist groups in order to suit their own agenda. Who trained Bin Laden in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets? That's right good old Uncle Sam. US only fought Iraq to get back the cheap oil from Kuwait. They were also involved in the training, funding and supplying of IS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Do you condone the invasion of Grenada to oust a legal government just because it was socialist? No and I have never suggested that I did either. It's you that made ridiculous claims, not me. I'm still waiting to hear your justification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Saturday night at the computer don't you just love it. I will be home next Saturday hopefully with a romantic night with the wife , nice glass of wine and sounds from the stereo. Its been five weeks you see I miss it more than words could ever explain. Good night to everyone enjoy your Saturday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Evacuation of area around Eiffel Tower and police piling into pullman hotel in Paris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 They were also involved in the training, funding and supplying of IS. Also Pinochet, amongst numerous others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCCABE Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 No and I have never suggested that I did either. It's you that made ridiculous claims, not me. I'm still waiting to hear your justification. What ridiculous claims? Are you seriously suggesting Uncle Sam is not aggressive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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