St Mirren -Shower Of Hopeless Amateurs

[buddies1877]

You are the one coming the c**t. I've never said that St Mirren should have cancelled the match. Remember I was a secretary for a kids team. I know what sanctions we'd have had to suffer had we done that as amateurs never mind what would happen in the professional game. What I did say was that they shouldn't have invited volunteers to clear the pitch. That would have taken any doubt out of the fixture and saved a number of people a wasted journey in difficult weather conditions.

Plenty of other games that had help went ahead just so happens the timing of the heavy snow didn't help our game.

[Stuart Dickson]

Plenty of other games that had help went ahead just so happens the timing of the heavy snow didn't help our game.

Where? Even assuming you were correct - and you aren't - is it right to try to get these matches on at any cost? Should customers who have prepaid their tickets be made to sit outside in sub zero conditions with snow falling on them to ensure that they are also wet through? Would it have been better had the game kicked off and then been abandoned as happened on the all weather pitches at Alloa and Stenhousemuir?

At Ibrox no help was required presumably because the high sided stands offered more protection and the USH worked well.

At Firhill ground staff alone worked on the pitch. The match went ahead. The 2nd half restart was delayed as ground staff had to clear the lines.

At Rugby Park the match kicked off with no help from fans and was then farcically halted twice - once in the first half and again in the second and the second half restart was delayed. The game completed but the conditions were described as "horrendous"

At Dumbarton sense prevailed and the match was called off at 10am preventing fans from making unnecessary travel.

At Alloa stupidity reigned supreme. The match on their all weather pitch started and was then abandoned after 63 minutes.

At Airdrie the match was called off early afternoon. Another all weather pitch where snow could simply have been brushed away but sense prevailed even if by early afternoon it had been too late to stop Forfar fans from leaving home.

At Stenhousmuir the all weather pitch there saw the match kick off, only for the game to be abandoned at half time.

At Ayr and Dunfermline matches were postponed.

At Berwick, Elgin and in Cumbernauld the matches were postponed.

At Hampden Park - similar to Ibrox - in that their high sided stadium and under soil heating would have afforded maximum protection no help was required. The game went ahead and completed.

And in Annan the snow was falling but the game was never in any doubt.

If St Mirren hadn't requested volunteers turn up to clear the pitch the match would have been postponed far earlier in the day and that would have saved customers from making unnecessary journeys in difficult, even dangerous weather conditions. Had the match been postponed at 1pm no-one would have batted an eyelid, but instead the greatly stupid at St Mirren decided to call in help to try to defeat Mother Nature and it's no surprise they ultimately failed. it was an act of gross stupidity, a reckless folly that led to a lot of people wasting money and time on a fixture where the home club and the fans are refusing to take any responsibility for their actions. No wonder crowds are falling at clubs like St Mirren where the customer is treated so poorly.

[Drew]

Have to say, Stuart, you are guilty of peddling some spurious arguments on here, but this has to be one of the most preposterous I can recall in some time.

Trolling or otherwise, it suggests that you really need to find a new interest to occupy your time.

Edited January 18, 2016 by Drew

[religion is saints]

Have to say, Stuart, you are guilty of peddling some spurious arguments on here, but this has to be one of the most preposterous I can recall in some time.

Trolling or otherwise, it suggests that you really need to find a new interest to occupy your time.

to be fair to Stuart what he is saying is 100% true...

[religion is saints]

Have to say, Stuart, you are guilty of peddling some spurious arguments on here, but this has to be one of the most preposterous I can recall in some time.

Trolling or otherwise, it suggests that you really need to find a new interest to occupy your time.

to be fair to Stuart what he is saying is 100% true...

[Doakes]

Where? Even assuming you were correct - and you aren't - is it right to try to get these matches on at any cost? Should customers who have prepaid their tickets be made to sit outside in sub zero conditions with snow falling on them to ensure that they are also wet through? Would it have been better had the game kicked off and then been abandoned as happened on the all weather pitches at Alloa and Stenhousemuir?

At Ibrox no help was required presumably because the high sided stands offered more protection and the USH worked well.

At Firhill ground staff alone worked on the pitch. The match went ahead. The 2nd half restart was delayed as ground staff had to clear the lines.

At Rugby Park the match kicked off with no help from fans and was then farcically halted twice - once in the first half and again in the second and the second half restart was delayed. The game completed but the conditions were described as "horrendous"

At Dumbarton sense prevailed and the match was called off at 10am preventing fans from making unnecessary travel.

At Alloa stupidity reigned supreme. The match on their all weather pitch started and was then abandoned after 63 minutes.

At Airdrie the match was called off early afternoon. Another all weather pitch where snow could simply have been brushed away but sense prevailed even if by early afternoon it had been too late to stop Forfar fans from leaving home.

At Stenhousmuir the all weather pitch there saw the match kick off, only for the game to be abandoned at half time.

At Ayr and Dunfermline matches were postponed.

At Berwick, Elgin and in Cumbernauld the matches were postponed.

At Hampden Park - similar to Ibrox - in that their high sided stadium and under soil heating would have afforded maximum protection no help was required. The game went ahead and completed.

And in Annan the snow was falling but the game was never in any doubt.

If St Mirren hadn't requested volunteers turn up to clear the pitch the match would have been postponed far earlier in the day and that would have saved customers from making unnecessary journeys in difficult, even dangerous weather conditions. Had the match been postponed at 1pm no-one would have batted an eyelid, but instead the greatly stupid at St Mirren decided to call in help to try to defeat Mother Nature and it's no surprise they ultimately failed. it was an act of gross stupidity, a reckless folly that led to a lot of people wasting money and time on a fixture where the home club and the fans are refusing to take any responsibility for their actions. No wonder crowds are falling at clubs like St Mirren where the customer is treated so poorly.

Here lies the problem. If you're going to a St Mirren match as a "customer", yer doing it wrong.

Was a big opportunity for our team to make up some much needed points on our rivals. Tried our best to get the game on, failed. A few folk had a snowball fight and the local pubs made some extra cash.

Who cares? Bring on Hibs

[Tommy]

Where? Even assuming you were correct - and you aren't - is it right to try to get these matches on at any cost? Should customers who have prepaid their tickets be made to sit outside in sub zero conditions with snow falling on them to ensure that they are also wet through? Would it have been better had the game kicked off and then been abandoned as happened on the all weather pitches at Alloa and Stenhousemuir?

At Ibrox no help was required presumably because the high sided stands offered more protection and the USH worked well.

At Firhill ground staff alone worked on the pitch. The match went ahead. The 2nd half restart was delayed as ground staff had to clear the lines.

At Rugby Park the match kicked off with no help from fans and was then farcically halted twice - once in the first half and again in the second and the second half restart was delayed. The game completed but the conditions were described as "horrendous"

At Dumbarton sense prevailed and the match was called off at 10am preventing fans from making unnecessary travel.

At Alloa stupidity reigned supreme. The match on their all weather pitch started and was then abandoned after 63 minutes.

At Airdrie the match was called off early afternoon. Another all weather pitch where snow could simply have been brushed away but sense prevailed even if by early afternoon it had been too late to stop Forfar fans from leaving home.

At Stenhousmuir the all weather pitch there saw the match kick off, only for the game to be abandoned at half time.

At Ayr and Dunfermline matches were postponed.

At Berwick, Elgin and in Cumbernauld the matches were postponed.

At Hampden Park - similar to Ibrox - in that their high sided stadium and under soil heating would have afforded maximum protection no help was required. The game went ahead and completed.

And in Annan the snow was falling but the game was never in any doubt.

If St Mirren hadn't requested volunteers turn up to clear the pitch the match would have been postponed far earlier in the day and that would have saved customers from making unnecessary journeys in difficult, even dangerous weather conditions. Had the match been postponed at 1pm no-one would have batted an eyelid, but instead the greatly stupid at St Mirren decided to call in help to try to defeat Mother Nature and it's no surprise they ultimately failed. it was an act of gross stupidity, a reckless folly that led to a lot of people wasting money and time on a fixture where the home club and the fans are refusing to take any responsibility for their actions. No wonder crowds are falling at clubs like St Mirren where the customer is treated so poorly.

Falkirk fans helped to clear the pitch yesterday.

[Drew]

to be fair to Stuart what he is saying is 100% true...

In claiming that it was stupidity to enlist volunteers in a bid to clear the pitch? Seriously?

[madball]

And in Annan the snow was falling but the game was never in any doubt.

I work with an Annan player and he said that the game was dangerous and should never have gone ahead. The pitch had more snow at kick off than appears to have been on ours and was solid underneath, in fact he said it deteriorated further once under way. Unfortunately they were 4 down at half time so the referee was never going to abandon it after that point.

Given the way the snow showers had gone throughout the morning, on for about 30 minutes or so, then a break for a bit I think it was right to give the groundstaff the opportunity and helpers as much time as reasonable to see if they can keep it clear. Perhaps a decision should have been made about 2.30ish when it became clear that they were not likely to keep lines clear for any length of time, but for whatever reason the officials from SFA didn't make that decision.

[nosferatu]

How do you know what the snow was like in Paisley if you were 10 miles away?

Speaking to the wife on the phone

[AllyM]

Speaking to the wife on the phone

But she was 10 miles away from Glasgow. Presumably you each has some sort of calibrated device, to hand, so that you could compare measurements with some degree of accuracy?

Otherwise, you'd be as well posting this shite on some sort of chat forum, for all the relevance it has.

[AllyM]

Wee lad and I made 160 mile round trip yesterday and we did need to take extra care driving back. I wouldn't blame the club yesterday, although we were gutted it was off.

Another angle was it was quite a memorable day out for my lad. He ended up managing to get a wee snowball fight with Carsewell and Naismith when we were going back to the car. The pair of them were playing some 'snowy' pranks on some teammates' motors(think the rest of team were in the dome). My son claimed that he hit Carsewell on the head, the first thing he's headered this season. Won a tenner on one of the scratch cards too, which was a bit of the petrol money paid for, so day wasn't a total disaster.

Sakes. Carswell out for the season with concussion and Naismith's return set back a month. Cheers, Balmullo

[BuddieinEK]

I work with an Annan player and he said that the game was dangerous and should never have gone ahead. The pitch had more snow at kick off than appears to have been on ours and was solid underneath, in fact he said it deteriorated further once under way. Unfortunately they were 4 down at half time so the referee was never going to abandon it after that point.

Given the way the snow showers had gone throughout the morning, on for about 30 minutes or so, then a break for a bit I think it was right to give the groundstaff the opportunity and helpers as much time as reasonable to see if they can keep it clear. Perhaps a decision should have been made about 2.30ish when it became clear that they were not likely to keep lines clear for any length of time, but for whatever reason the officials from SFA didn't make that decision.

At 2.30pm it was still playable!

Stuart has gone to extraordinary lengths here to make a point.

Funny thing is... In general, at source there is a point to be made. He has just rammed it in everyones face like a big custard pie and ended up being treated like a clown.

He does that.

If in doubt... A game should be called off early primarily for the sake of travelling fans.

Saturday was a real mystery and one that threw any radical decision making up in the air.

When I left East Kilbride to go to the game there was no snow whatsoever... In EK... Where we are chapping on the pearly gates.

The only doubt at that time was due to a minimal area affected by frost, which realistically was going to be fine by kick off.

Forecast was for snow... But how much and when depends entirely on which app you have on your phone...

and we are living in an age of smart phones and dumb people who treat them as guru's, believing all predictions that suit their arguments... Eh Stuart?

In hindsight... Had the game been called off earlier it would have been more convenient for a number of people...

but what about the people already in hospitality?

What about the people who had already safely travelled to the game... Unlike Shull knowing how to safely drive in a wee bit of snow?

What about the stadium carerers who had stuffed rheir ovens full of tasty if somewhat overpriced pies on the strength of being told the game was likely to go ahead?

Calling this particular game off at 11am was not up to the club.

By the time the snow was an issue, the club had a responsibility to a number of people to realistically do what it could to see if the game could go ahead.

Sadly, God... Lawstud... SD or whatever deity is in charge of these things played funny buggers with the timing of the snowfall... meaning a decision couldn't be confirmed until shortly before kick off.

Pity... But nobody was killed and the pie was tasty... Helping to offset losses incurred by the caterers.

The stadium tour was excellent... and we didn't lose.

Celebrations all round.

Hakuna Matata Stuart... Hakuna Matata.

[E=Mc2]

Can't really understand anyone attributing any blame at the club here. They did the best they could given the circumstances and it's clear with the abandoned matches, postponements and delays all over the country that it's clearly not a St. Mirren issue here.

Of course it's the club's fault.

St. Mirren is heaven.

Stewart Gilmour is God.

God made it snow.

Simples.

[pozbaird]

In hindsight... Had the game been called off earlier it would have been more convenient for a number of people...

but what about the people already in hospitality?

No need to worry about us! We were all looking out the window from 12.30 on, and the vibe in the room was 'no way will this go ahead'. Hospitality proceeded as normal, Campbell announced at 2.55pm 'game off', quickly followed by hot pies and biscuits appearing as if by magic, and in loud tones CK then announced 'bar stays open until 4, wire in!'

Big cheer goes up, everyone wires in. Not so good for everyone else, a serious scunner, but if ever there was a right jammy day to be in hospitality, it was Saturday. The club invites everyone back for the rescheduled fixture (pay bar, rightfully), but they put on a 'soup and sandwich' type meal.

Seriously jammy barstewards...

[Stuart Dickson]

At 2.30pm it was still playable!

Stuart has gone to extraordinary lengths here to make a point.

Funny thing is... In general, at source there is a point to be made. He has just rammed it in everyones face like a big custard pie and ended up being treated like a clown.

He does that.

If in doubt... A game should be called off early primarily for the sake of travelling fans.

Saturday was a real mystery and one that threw any radical decision making up in the air.

When I left East Kilbride to go to the game there was no snow whatsoever... In EK... Where we are chapping on the pearly gates.

The only doubt at that time was due to a minimal area affected by frost, which realistically was going to be fine by kick off.

Forecast was for snow... But how much and when depends entirely on which app you have on your phone...

and we are living in an age of smart phones and dumb people who treat them as guru's, believing all predictions that suit their arguments... Eh Stuart?

In hindsight... Had the game been called off earlier it would have been more convenient for a number of people...

but what about the people already in hospitality?

What about the people who had already safely travelled to the game... Unlike Shull knowing how to safely drive in a wee bit of snow?

What about the stadium carerers who had stuffed rheir ovens full of tasty if somewhat overpriced pies on the strength of being told the game was likely to go ahead?

Calling this particular game off at 11am was not up to the club.

By the time the snow was an issue, the club had a responsibility to a number of people to realistically do what it could to see if the game could go ahead.

Sadly, God... Lawstud... SD or whatever deity is in charge of these things played funny buggers with the timing of the snowfall... meaning a decision couldn't be confirmed until shortly before kick off.

Pity... But nobody was killed and the pie was tasty... Helping to offset losses incurred by the caterers.

The stadium tour was excellent... and we didn't lose.

Celebrations all round.

Hakuna Matata Stuart... Hakuna Matata.

OK. Since the decisions were all taken to suit short term commercialism and not the customers can we expect St Mirren to put on free buses from Kirkcaldy for when the match actually does go ahead? Surely it's the least the club should do given Raith Rovers fans were ridden roughshod over.

[div]

OK. Since the decisions were all taken to suit short term commercialism and not the customers can we expect St Mirren to put on free buses from Kirkcaldy for when the match actually does go ahead? Surely it's the least the club should do given Raith Rovers fans were ridden roughshod over.

Yes, as we are the only club that's ever suffered a late postponement in the history of football.

[religion is saints]

Yes, as we are the only club that's ever suffered a late postponement in the history of football.

that's not what Stuart is saying, he is asking will the club pay for Raith's buses and quite rightly so? Will the club also discount tickets?think we know the answer!

[munoz]

Why should the club lay on free buses or discount tickets ?

They did everything in their power to get the game on .

The club will be out of pocket as it is .

[pod]

OK. Since the decisions were all taken to suit short term commercialism and not the customers can we expect St Mirren to put on free buses from Kirkcaldy for when the match actually does go ahead? Surely it's the least the club should do given Raith Rovers fans were ridden roughshod over.

Why, Dundee Utd didn't, when twice that I can remember they called off their game against us. Having to travel back one evening in torrential rain.

Not doubt on other occasions.

[Tommy]

that's not what Stuart is saying, he is asking will the club pay for Raith's buses and quite rightly so? Will the club also discount tickets?think we know the answer!

Will he also ask Alloa to pay for the Morton fans buses as well as Stenhousemuir paying for the Brechin fans ?

[munoz]

Hibs didn't after chemical spill on the M8 .

I'm sure there are many , many more .

[Drew]

Can we please be clear about something, for the more cognitively challenged amongst us...

The referee called off the game, not the club.

Really, how hard is this to comprehend?

[pod]

that's not what Stuart is saying, he is asking will the club pay for Raith's buses and quite rightly so? Will the club also discount tickets?think we know the answer!

We know what he's saying. It's him having a dig at the Chairman/BOD of his beloved Saints.

Edited January 18, 2016 by pod

[div]

that's not what Stuart is saying, he is asking will the club pay for Raith's buses and quite rightly so? Will the club also discount tickets?think we know the answer!

Yes you know the answer. Outdoor sport is subject to weather conditions. The weather sometimes does unpredictable things, especially at this time of year, such as the very heavy snow forecast for Saturday arriving hours earlier than was forecast. Such as the heavy rain which fell last season that caused the Ross County game to be abandoned in the second half.

We aren't alone in this. It will happen to our fans in the future, same as happened to Morton fans on Saturday through in Alloa, same as it happens every season to someone or other.

Almost a year to the day since over 2,000 Hearts fans travelled to Ibrox only for the game to last 25 minutes;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30738527

These things happen. It's a shame for everyone concerned when they happen, not just visiting fans either, I am sure there were some Saints fans who travelled long distances to get there on Saturday.

The solution however is not to sling mud at St.Mirren, it is to question whether it's really sensible to be scheduling football matches in January in this country at all. I think we know the answer.