Stuart Dickson Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 As I recall, the 10k bid was predicated on soft loans and grants from government support for community sports ventures. indeed, the 10k bid finally failed on the fact that this funding was refused You are possiblyreferring to different support for specific initiatives other than the p.urchase of a controlling shareholding by a supporter's group Yeah I was - community funding has always been available whether it's from the National Lottery, from the SFA from it's various sponsors, or from the Scottish Football Partnership. 10,000 Hours made many references to Social Enterprise funding which is available to any Social Enterprise. I'm by no means an expert on the topic, I only spent one day at a course at Stirling University and then a few evenings talking through various proposals and possible outcomes with people who knew a lot more than me but if SMiSA wished to run the club using the CiC model or any of the other Social Enterprise models out there the same funding would still be available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 As you would expect the members who are represented by the committee will be the first to know. This is not an elitist thing, it is just that the committee have represented a group of supporters over many years and as it is a SMISA initiative it is only right that we engage with the members first before any decision on progress can be made. Can I just point out that the negotiations are not something that has been taken lightly. Full recognition of what is required has been discussed and the best practise put in place. The committee has been expanded to include members who are best placed to negotiate and plan ahead on the members behalf. The planning has also included the need to engage with those supporters outwith SMISA but at present we have nothing concrete to deliver. As for SMDSA, it has always been recognised by the committee that we have a responsibility to all branches of St Mirren's support whether it be individual or group based. In the meantime I would urge anyone who would like to join and contribute in our efforts at SMISA to get in touch as we welcome everyone with openness and honesty. I hope this clears up any apprehensions you may have Blair and I hope you continue to keep well and fight your corner. Jim Crawford Thanks for the response Jim and I completely understand why SMiSA members will be first to know of any developments. I am sure that SMDSA will continue to fight its corner. Cheers bud Blair Crawford I agree Crawford Shull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabinho Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 Cn you advise when the AGM was?Why don't you email SMISA directly to ask these questions?If you're a paying member it's your own fault that you don't know when it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtrooper Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Can anyone 'in the know' from SMISA tell us if the club have intimated when they can expect a reply to the proposal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
religion is saints Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Can anyone 'in the know' from SMISA tell us if the club have intimated when they can expect a reply to the proposal? maybe once the board have stopped laughing they might reply???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLF Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Cn you advise when the AGM was? http://www.blackandwhitearmy.com/forums/index.php/topic/39432-smisa-agm-4th-april/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottd Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 maybe once the board have stopped laughing they might reply The board will be taking this proposal very seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northendsaint Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 As you would expect the members who are represented by the committee will be the first to know. This is not an elitist thing, it is just that the committee have represented a group of supporters over many years and as it is a SMISA initiative it is only right that we engage with the members first before any decision on progress can be made. Can I just point out that the negotiations are not something that has been taken lightly. Full recognition of what is required has been discussed and the best practise put in place. The committee has been expanded to include members who are best placed to negotiate and plan ahead on the members behalf. The planning has also included the need to engage with those supporters outwith SMISA but at present we have nothing concrete to deliver. As for SMDSA, it has always been recognised by the committee that we have a responsibility to all branches of St Mirren's support whether it be individual or group based. In the meantime I would urge anyone who would like to join and contribute in our efforts at SMISA to get in touch as we welcome everyone with openness and honesty. I hope this clears up any apprehensions you may have Blair and I hope you continue to keep well and fight your corner. Jim Crawford One of the reasons why i am not involved on committees of both Smisa and the fans council is the constant sniping generally amongst our support.I would love to assist but feel that i would end up punching someone on the throat for knocking the idea of assisting the club that i love.Cant we all work together to achieve our goal of the club returning to where we should be at the top end of Scottish football.We are all one,Smisa,Fans Council ,Disabled Fans,Supporters Clubs etc and again i will say it require to work TOGETHER to achieve our goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 We are all one unless there is disagreement then there is throat punches We shouldn't be at top end of anywhere. We are where we are. If we are to be one of the top 42 Clubs in Scotland then that's achievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 One of the reasons why i am not involved on committees of both Smisa and the fans council is the constant sniping generally amongst our support.I would love to assist but feel that i would end up punching someone on the throat for knocking the idea of assisting the club that i love.Cant we all work together to achieve our goal of the club returning to where we should be at the top end of Scottish football.We are all one,Smisa,Fans Council ,Disabled Fans,Supporters Clubs etc and again i will say it require to work TOGETHER to achieve our goal. A committee should represent the views of its membership. If the membership is diverse then there's going to be sniping and opposing views and agendas. If you were going to be on any sort of committee in any sport or any club I'd suggest you develop a thicker skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmac Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 It seems the wall has been hit. Yawndom beckons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted January 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 I think when you get involved with any organisation surrounding the football club you have to expect to get shot at. I was quite taken aback as to what happened during the 10000Hours bid, and I only got about 1% of the abuse that the likes of Richard took. The guys at SMiSA, The Disabled Supporters Association and at the Fans Council are all giving up their own time to try their level best at making the club better. Like everyone else, they will make mistakes sometimes and do things that individuals won't like. You'll never get all fans to agree on anything (apart from perhaps the sacking of Tommy Craig) but as long as the people making the decisions in these organisations are thinking things through and still aiming to do their best for the club then they'll always get my support. Same as the people who run the supporters buses, same as the people who try and introduce atmosphere at the ground. These people are all trying to do their best for the club and they're doing it for no reward. I'd definitely like to see all the organisations work together more, I'm sure they could all learn from each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Urquhart Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 Agree with above. When Allen and I made the Love Street DVD we knew we could not please all of the people all of the time. You are there to be shot at by snipers. There should be more co-operation though, are we not too wee for two separate and in some ways competing fans groups? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northendsaint Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 A committee should represent the views of its membership. If the membership is diverse then there's going to be sniping and opposing views and agendas. If you were going to be on any sort of committee in any sport or any club I'd suggest you develop a thicker skin. For your information Stuart i have the following. Founder member of the BGB.(now the panda club) League Secretary of Johnstone and district football league. Founder member of St Mirren FCBC.. Thick skin not required only tolerance of thick cunts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) A committee should represent the views of its membership. If the membership is diverse then there's going to be sniping and opposing views and agendas. If you were going to be on any sort of committee in any sport or any club I'd suggest you develop a thicker skin. For your information Stuart i have the following. Founder member of the BGB.(now the panda club) League Secretary of Johnstone and district football league. Founder member of St Mirren FCBC.. Thick skin not required only tolerance of thick cunts. I have to agree with Northendsaint here. Why on earth should anybody have to have a thick skin to do a job they enjoy? What gives people like Dickson the right to think they have a right to bully (because let's be honest that's what we are talking about here) people who are trying to do their work? What Dickson has done with Stewart Gilmour is a classic example of this. It's one thing to criticise someone in his position from time to time for the decisions they make on behalf of our club - I've criticised a couple of things myself such as what happened over the Rangers fiasco and not having a rainy day fund. But what gives Dickson the right to EXPECT to be able to subject him to almost 2 decades of systematic abuse and unrelenting criticism complete with forensic analysis of every single decision made by a club he doesn't even bloody well support? Solely and exclusively because Gilmour rejected his business venture? What gives LPM the right to subject rea to over a year of total dogs abuse over the 10,000 issue? The list is endless. It seems that taking on any position of responsibility leaves you fair game to personal attack from all manner of lives losers who have achieved nothing of note themselves and now take that out on others. That IMO is unacceptable. Nobody deserves that. Edited January 29, 2016 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Why don't you email SMISA directly to ask these questions? If you're a paying member it's your own fault that you don't know when it was. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 I have to agree with Northendsaint here. Why on earth should anybody have to have a thick skin to do a job they enjoy? What gives people like Dickson the right to think they have a right to bully (because let's be honest that's what we are talking about here) people who are trying to do their work? What Dickson has done with Stewart Gilmour is a classic example of this. It's one thing to criticise someone in his position from time to time for the decisions they make on behalf of our club - I've criticised a couple of things myself such as what happened over the Rangers fiasco and not having a rainy day fund. But what gives Dickson the right to EXPECT to be able to subject him to almost 2 decades of systematic abuse and unrelenting criticism complete with forensic analysis of every single decision made by a club he doesn't even bloody well support? Solely and exclusively because Gilmour rejected his business venture? What gives LPM the right to subject rea to over a year of total dogs abuse over the 10,000 issue? The list is endless. It seems that taking on any position of responsibility leaves you fair game to personal attack from all manner of lives losers who have achieved nothing of note themselves and now take that out on others. That IMO is unacceptable. Nobody deserves that. Its all too easy nowadays for people to snipe at others. The internet is a wonderful thing in so many respects, but it is, without doubt, a medium by which people who have very little to contribute, nevertheless opt to avail us of their wisdom (usually hastily acquired via google and Wikipedia) and wit. Dilletantes abound, and nothing is out of bounds. Like you, I've a great deal of respect for people who genuinely try to make things happen, as opposed to sit with their phones etc, and seek to dismantle the efforts of others. I won't always agree with what they do, or how they go about it, but at least they aren't taking the lazy, cowardly route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 For your information Stuart i have the following. Founder member of the BGB.(now the panda club) League Secretary of Johnstone and district football league. Founder member of St Mirren FCBC.. Thick skin not required only tolerance of thick cunts. You've got them? Where? In your cupboard? Can I suggest you release them before the police find out? If you mean they are positions you've held in the past fair enough. I applaud you. I've served on a couple of committees myself. It takes time, effort and commitment obviously. It also takes thick skin. You can't surely claim that as League Secretary of a football league that all coaches backed you without complaint and accepted all your decisions without question. Did you have no disciplinary hearings in Johnstone? You know as well as I do it's unrealistic to expect a membership as diverse as the one at SMiSA is to all back any decisions without question so why write such pish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 You've got them? Where? In your cupboard? Can I suggest you release them before the police find out? If you mean they are positions you've held in the past fair enough. I applaud you. I've served on a couple of committees myself. It takes time, effort and commitment obviously. It also takes thick skin. You can't surely claim that as League Secretary of a football league that all coaches backed you without complaint and accepted all your decisions without question. Did you have no disciplinary hearings in Johnstone? You know as well as I do it's unrealistic to expect a membership as diverse as the one at SMiSA is to all back any decisions without question so why write such pish? If you genuinely think he is talking about people simply disagreeing with him or criticising a decision they dont like then you are understanding less than I gave you credit for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 The BGB was a wonderful invention in the 1990's. My two older children, now in their late 20's loved it and so looked forward to going before every home Match at Love Street. In fact,they seemed disappointed when they had to eventually go and see the Match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 If you genuinely think he is talking about people simply disagreeing with him or criticising a decision they dont like then you are understanding less than I gave you credit for. Where did I say any of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Stoneybridge Town Council? Vote of no confidence ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottd Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Stoneybridge Town Council? Kajagoogoo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 If you mean they are positions you've held in the past fair enough. I applaud you. I've served on a couple of committees myself. It takes time, effort and commitment obviously. It also takes thick skin. You can't surely claim that as League Secretary of a football league that all coaches backed you without complaint and accepted all your decisions without question. Did you have no disciplinary hearings in Johnstone? Not everybody is as thick as you, sorry, thick skinned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TediousTom Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) I have to agree with Northendsaint here. Why on earth should anybody have to have a thick skin to do a job they enjoy? What gives people like Dickson the right to think they have a right to bully (because let's be honest that's what we are talking about here) people who are trying to do their work? What Dickson has done with Stewart Gilmour is a classic example of this. It's one thing to criticise someone in his position from time to time for the decisions they make on behalf of our club - I've criticised a couple of things myself such as what happened over the Rangers fiasco and not having a rainy day fund. But what gives Dickson the right to EXPECT to be able to subject him to almost 2 decades of systematic abuse and unrelenting criticism complete with forensic analysis of every single decision made by a club he doesn't even bloody well support? Solely and exclusively because Gilmour rejected his business venture? What gives LPM the right to subject rea to over a year of total dogs abuse over the 10,000 issue? The list is endless. It seems that taking on any position of responsibility leaves you fair game to personal attack from all manner of lives losers who have achieved nothing of note themselves and now take that out on others. That IMO is unacceptable. Nobody deserves that. I must say that if/when the time comes that this forum has an awards ceremony (in the Paisley town hall as we would have to fit all the poster's and aliases in) then I would certianly give that post my nomination for "post of 2016". Well done. Every other year can be won by me! Edited February 8, 2016 by TediousTom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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