Doakes Posted March 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Looking at what's left we need a big Centre half. I know that most of you will be thinking Keep Webster but firstly I doubt he's planning on staying and secondly, he's been the biggest disappointment this season. Goodwin has a ? principally because I haven't seen him play 90 minutes for almost 6 months. Carswell and Howison I'm not sure about, sometimes I think They're ok but other times not. I'd keep most of the youngsters because I think they should at least get a chance to show what they do. Thompson is done and so is gow, Gallacher, and Clarkson should only go if we get something better in FIRST. I'd keep Shankland if we can. Agree with you on Webster, but I'd only get rid of him if we found a suitable replacement. Reckon we could benefit from bringing in another experienced (preferably big) centre half - who could potentially play along side Baird or Webster. Similarly in midfield, Mallan needs a ball winning box to box midfielder alongside him - Mallan is a great player on his day, but he can be a bit lazy and occasionally gives the ball away too easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doakes Posted March 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) On Clarkson Since he came in, in the games he's played We have; Beat Alloa 3-1 Beat QOTS 1-0 Lost 1-0 to QOTS ** Beat Dumbarton 1-0 Lost 1-0 to Sevco Drew 0-0 with Falkirk Lost 4-3 to Raith Beat QOTS & Beat Livi 3-2 Underrated IMO. Even though his scoring record is a bit pish, he works hard and really helps to provide for Shankland. *edit Edited March 24, 2016 by Doakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Unfortunately Shanky isnae very prolific and should return to Pittodrie, with his Daddy today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 On Clarkson Since he came in, in the games he's played We have; Beat Alloa 3-1 Beat QOTS 1-0 Beat QOTS 1-0 Beat Dumbarton 1-0 Lost 1-0 to Sevco Drew 0-0 with Falkirk Lost 4-3 to Raith Beat QOTS & Beat Livi 3-2 Underrated IMO. Even though his scoring record is a bit pish, he works hard and really helps to provide for Shankland. One of those beat QOTS 1-0 should be lost 1-0. Between them he and Shankland have 9 goals this season. That's our problem right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Unfortunately Shanky isnae very prolific and should return to Pittodrie, with his Daddy today. Good idea, get rid of our joint top goal scorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windae cleaner Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Good idea, get rid of our joint top goal scorer. The only fit forward we have at the club at the moment as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Gallacher, and Clarkson should only go if we get something better in FIRST. I'd keep Shankland if we can. Clarkson isn't ours to keep. He's a Motherwell player on loan to us until the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosferatu Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Clarkson isn't ours to keep. He's a Motherwell player on loan to us until the end of the season. Isn't he out of contract at the end of the season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 All a bit whataboutery to be honest. Now that we are, more or less, assured of where we will be next season the manager will hopefully be dusting down his "Plan A" of transfer targets. He'll already have identified who he wants to keep and who he's happy to let go. He'll also hopefully have a budget agreed for the next campaign. This will be the first summer since the 2013-2014 season that we will finish the season with the same management team that we'll start the next campaign with. That will hopefully mean we can expect a much improved recruitment policy. I think Rae did extremely well to get the players he did in January so he's obviously good at selling the club to prospective targets. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do given a whole summer to rejig the squad. Ultimately up to him and Faz who they keep but there are obiously a few players there who are still under contract for next season so likes of Webster and Langfield you feel will be there regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Good idea, get rid of our joint top goal scorer. He should have hit at least 20 if he was a striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosferatu Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Good idea, get rid of our joint top goal scorer. You would expect our main striker, who has played more games in that position than anyone else, to be top scorer surely? You'll be telling us next that we can't change the goalkeeper because he's kept more clean sheets than anyone else in the team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Isn't he out of contract at the end of the season? He might be mate. He signed a 1 year deal with the Steelmen last summer but it had the option of a 2nd year; http://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2015/06/25/david-clarkson-returns-home/ "And ‘Well boss Ian Baraclough took the opportunity to quickly add the forward to his squad on an initial one-year deal with the option for a second." Guess it depends on whose option that is whether it gets taken up but I can't believe McGhee will want to keep him on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosferatu Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 This will be the first summer since the 2013-2014 season that we will finish the season with the same management team that we'll start the next campaign with. That will hopefully mean we can expect a much improved recruitment policy. Murray was appointed before last season finished and had the entire summer to recruit players. Look how that turned out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosferatu Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 He might be mate. He signed a 1 year deal with the Steelmen last summer but it had the option of a 2nd year; http://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2015/06/25/david-clarkson-returns-home/ "And ‘Well boss Ian Baraclough took the opportunity to quickly add the forward to his squad on an initial one-year deal with the option for a second." Guess it depends on whose option that is whether it gets taken up but I can't believe McGhee will want to keep him on. Option is probably in Well's favour but I can't see them keeping him. I haven't seen him in action. Is he any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Murray was appointed before last season finished and had the entire summer to recruit players. Look how that turned out! Yes, but he then went on holiday, then he went on a coaching course. I haven't agreed with pretty much anything Lord Lookatme has posted on this forum for a long time but he did point that out as being a cause for concern at the time and he was spot on as it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Option is probably in Well's favour but I can't see them keeping him. I haven't seen him in action. Is he any good? He's looked a bit sluggish but despite that I think he's done pretty well. Shanks looks a better player with him beside him IMO but then again I just don't think Shanks is a player who can lead the line on his tod anyway. I wouldn't be averse to Clarkson coming back next season but I suspect we might be able to do better in an open market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Yes, but he then went on holiday, then he went on a coaching course. I haven't agreed with pretty much anything Lord Lookatme has posted on this forum for a long time but he did point that out as being a cause for concern at the time and he was spot on as it happens. WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevmcnal Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Jamie Langfield - punt Daniel Wilks - not sure Jason Naismith - keep Sean Kelly - punt Andy Webster - punt Jack Baird - punt Keith Watson - keep Jordan Stewart - punt Gary Irvine - keep Jim Goodwin - keep, but will never happem if Rae thinks hes not good enough to play in the current team he really must not rate him ! Alan Gow - injured Stuart Carswell - punt Cameron Howieson - punt Stephen Mallan - keep Scott Agnew - punt Lewis Morgan - punt Lewis McLear - punt Barry Cuddihy - punt Alex Cooper - punt, Tommy Cooper could have done better against Raith . Kyle McAllister - not sure Rocco Quinn - not sure maybe keep Cal Gallagher- punt David Clarkson - punt Lawrence Shankland - punt Stevey Thompson - punt sadly Spend the budget on another 5-6 quality players rather than having 20 players of very average standard , keep a few youngsters in the squad, better chance of playing for them in smaller squad also, if some of them cant get a game in this current team its unlikely they will ever make it. Clear out required, please sign someone with pace, severe lack of pace in the team we have no out ball or a winger delivering crosses so no surprise the strikers have such a poor scoring record. If Rae not keeping Goodwin must get a ball winner in midfield also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ds10 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 "Rae of hope"?? more like Rae of Pish. Get rid of the lot of them I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northstbuddie Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Having 'punted' in the last few seasons the likes of Craig Samson, Jeroen Tesselaar, Paul McGinn, Darren McGregor, John McGinn, Kenny McLean, Paul McGowan, Gary Harkins and Doug Imrie, it might be argued that the last thing we need is another clearout of players. However, things are now so bad at Greenhill Road that there is no other choice than to offload as many of the current passengers as possible. Some will no doubt argue that we could not afford to keep some of the above players, but I can't help wondering that if we had had more competent management of the playing resources since 2013, whether a top four finish might have been enough to persuade some of these players to stay, or to persuade others, of proven ability, to join St Mirren. After all, on paper, we had a team capable of a top four finish. The problem was we had to play on grass instead. Alex Rae has a huge task ahead of him in turning things around with even a nucleus of the current squad for next season. The sad reality is that we are all going to severely regret, for the foreseeable future, the palpable failure by the BoD and management of the club in recent years to optimise the resources at their disposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Having 'punted' in the last few seasons the likes of Craig Samson, Jeroen Tesselaar, Paul McGinn, Darren McGregor, John McGinn, Kenny McLean, Paul McGowan, Gary Harkins and Doug Imrie.. Samson - left for more money at Killie Tess - said he had no desire to remain in Scotland during the final year of his contract. P McGinn - Was offered a deal but left for first team football at Dumbarton. McGregor - left for more money at Sevco. McGinn - left for more money at Hibs McLean - left for more money at Aberdeen McGowan, Harkins and Imrie - were punted. If we want players to stay and they choose to leave there's nothing the club can do. That will likely happen with Watson in the summer, we won't punt him though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Punt all of the board, don't keep any of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Having 'punted' in the last few seasons the likes of Craig Samson, Jeroen Tesselaar, Paul McGinn, Darren McGregor, John McGinn, Kenny McLean, Paul McGowan, Gary Harkins and Doug Imrie, it might be argued that the last thing we need is another clearout of players. Another significant difference is that the fans wanted to keep most of the above players. Other factors meant they left. On the current list in many cases it is unanimous that the fans do not want them around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbles old paperboy Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 If you were in charge, on current form, who would you want to punt / keep at the end of the season? Jamie Langfield - punt, one of the more error prone keepers I can remember in over 35 years watching the team Daniel Wilks - worth giving him a few games at the end of the season to see how he does Jason Naismith - not fussed either way. Had a good first season and then very poor last year. Would be OK at our current level Sean Kelly - Ditto - has been OK at centre half and in midfield, not great defensively when played at left back. Andy Webster - not fussed, 1 year deal but no clauses about play x games and get an automatic extension! Jack Baird - keep, still has lots to learn but given time might develop into a no nonsense centre half Keith Watson - keep, has been good once he got his match fitness up Jordan Stewart - keep Gary Irvine - not fussed Jim Goodwin - keep, new 1 year deal no clauses about play x games and get an automatic extension Alan Gow - punt Stuart Carswell - not fussed, expected more of him than he has delivered Cameron Howieson - punt - tidy enough at retaining possession Stephen Mallan - keep, lots of areas to improve but is young and scores a lot of important goals Scott Agnew -not fussed, punt if we get the chance to... expected more of him than he has delivered Lewis Morgan - keep Lewis McLear - keep Barry Cuddihy - not fussed Alex Cooper - keep Kyle McAllister - keep Rocco Quinn - been ok, not fussed Cal Gallagher - punt David Clarkson - keep Lawrence Shankland - keep Stevey Thompson - punt... thanks for 3 great seasons and lots of important goals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Urquhart Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 We always seem start the season very badly too. Terrible meaningless friendlies and scrambling around for players long after the season has started. Need to have a better plan to hit the ground running from the off this time round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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