linwood buddie Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 I would share your concern, however every member of Smisa has the right to propose their ideas. Your point does shine a light towards a bigger issue that perhaps we should all stop, read up on and consider? Smisa is a Co-operative, and having been an employee and member of the biggest Retail, Manufacturing, Banking, Farming and Insurance Co-operative in the world i can share the one defining difference Smisa , our club and all those who sign up will come to appreciate and perhaps be grateful for... A Co-operative is a group of people acting together to meet the common needs and aspirations of its members, sharing ownership and making decisions democratically. It is not a business controlled by shareholders. When you see some of the perverse decisions by large companies to reward individuals who have failed or presided over damaging debacles, but the board still award them bonuses, then you will appreciate the difference of being a 'member' of Smisa where 'One member, one vote' is where the power to make change lies, as opposed to being a company shareholder who gets a goody bag and a pat on the heid each year. There is a significant education process for all of us to become involved with when we sign up to Smisa, we all have a responsibilty to act and operate in accordance with co-operative Values & Principles, its in the Smisa constitution. I dont want anyone to reconsider mate and yes every member is entitled to an opinion ,my concern is that this would only weaken SIMSA (fans) control. We all know what its like on here with disagreements imagine that if it was about something important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Bundy Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 I would share your concern, however every member of Smisa has the right to propose their ideas. Your point does shine a light towards a bigger issue that perhaps we should all stop, read up on and consider? Smisa is a Co-operative, and having been an employee and member of the biggest Retail, Manufacturing, Banking, Farming and Insurance Co-operative in the world i can share the one defining difference Smisa , our club and all those who sign up will come to appreciate and perhaps be grateful for... A Co-operative is a group of people acting together to meet the common needs and aspirations of its members, sharing ownership and making decisions democratically. It is not a business controlled by shareholders. When you see some of the perverse decisions by large companies to reward individuals who have failed or presided over damaging debacles, but the board still award them bonuses, then you will appreciate the difference of being a 'member' of Smisa where 'One member, one vote' is where the power to make change lies, as opposed to being a company shareholder who gets a goody bag and a pat on the heid each year. There is a significant education process for all of us to become involved with when we sign up to Smisa, we all have a responsibilty to act and operate in accordance with co-operative Values & Principles, its in the Smisa constitution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) I am all of those things above by purchasing my Season Ticket, Top and Car Park Brief and even Saints chocolate out the Shop. And proud. Edited May 20, 2016 by shull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Not easy at all. Lots of hard work still required. In comparison to keeping them signed up over 10 years then yes it is easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 In comparison to keeping them signed up over 10 years then yes it is easier. Disagree completely. Once aboard easier to keep them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Disagree completely. Once aboard easier to keep them. I'd agree with this. Convincing people that there is genuine merit in this proposal is the tough part. As much as folk will thereafter take the huff and throw the toys out the pram, I think their concern for the club will override the temptation to cancel an established DD in most cases. People will shuffle off this mortal coil, and others will experience financial challenges, but once signed up, I expect most to be committed for the long haul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 I would share your concern, however every member of Smisa has the right to propose their ideas. Your point does shine a light towards a bigger issue that perhaps we should all stop, read up on and consider? Smisa is a Co-operative, and having been an employee and member of the biggest Retail, Manufacturing, Banking, Farming and Insurance Co-operative in the world i can share the one defining difference Smisa , our club and all those who sign up will come to appreciate and perhaps be grateful for... A Co-operative is a group of people acting together to meet the common needs and aspirations of its members, sharing ownership and making decisions democratically. It is not a business controlled by shareholders. When you see some of the perverse decisions by large companies to reward individuals who have failed or presided over damaging debacles, but the board still award them bonuses, then you will appreciate the difference of being a 'member' of Smisa where 'One member, one vote' is where the power to make change lies, as opposed to being a company shareholder who gets a goody bag and a pat on the heid each year. There is a significant education process for all of us to become involved with when we sign up to Smisa, we all have a responsibilty to act and operate in accordance with co-operative Values & Principles, its in the Smisa constitution. On the other hand the Co-op bank nearly went bust in 2013 so be careful what you are polishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 In comparison to keeping them signed up over 10 years then yes it is easier. You should ask banks about this. They know all about this sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazmc83 Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Good quote from Gordon today in the press Gordon Scott said: “The current board deserve a lot of credit for all they have done over the years – but one way or another they are going to sell up and move on. “St Mirren fans have a simple choice – either be part of what are doing and build the future of our club together, or leave that future entirely to chance. “It would be a life-defining achievement for me to become chairman of the club I have supported since I was a boy. “My aim is simple – work with the fans and the community to give St Mirren the fresh ideas it needs, get the club back into the top league where it belongs, and hand it over to the fans to safeguard forever.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Disagree completely. Once aboard easier to keep them. I'd agree with this. Convincing people that there is genuine merit in this proposal is the tough part. As much as folk will thereafter take the huff and throw the toys out the pram, I think their concern for the club will override the temptation to cancel an established DD in most cases. People will shuffle off this mortal coil, and others will experience financial challenges, but once signed up, I expect most to be committed for the long haul. Your both wrong and I'm right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 590 now signed up. Love the new addition to the SMISA website of the countdown to June 19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaldyOzBud Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Well played that man, they don't like the cold steel up 'em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) On the other hand the Co-op bank nearly went bust in 2013 so be careful what you are polishing.It did too! But i might hasten to add Not on my watch!I left the Co-operative Group (now Co-operative) in 2006, although they begged to become a client for two years of our management consultancy business. Not a bad stint paid near twice as much, for less hours doing the same work on expenses. Point being the dominant party in the then merger/takeover of the co-operative group (united norwest) were run by a complete c**t whose only ambition was to mount a takeover of Somerfield who he had failed to takeover a couple of years earlier, even though his co-op were less than a third the size of Somerfield! As soon as he was in he had the Society secretary frog marched out the building as he knew he wouldnt be able to pull all his ill fated stunts if he didnt have his own yes men around him. He took over Somerfield and got the bank to take over Britannia building society, and the ensuing black hole in the bank's books, and absolute horlicks that Sommerfield caused to the food retail business were no real surprise to me. However the members got rid of every single one of those responsible, and have turned round the food retail business, steadied the bank, and taken steps to ensure they never again let a madman in charge. If they were shareholders, rather than members then they would have been powerless to stop those guilty of awarding themselves huge bonuses, and most likely as a result of being kept at arms length seen the whole organisation crash. Membership is the real power-broker in a co-operative. Edited May 20, 2016 by Lord Pityme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 In my opinion, you are getting no return for your money if you are a season ticket holder for 10 years paying the average of £275, other than putting money towards the club you love. The 10 year payments of £12 a month for fan ownership is no different. If you love the club, then you will commit. I don't feel I have any right at paying £12 a month to get some sort of shares at the end of it, though I do agree with the share incentive of the option 3 package, as you are basically committing a lump sum towards pushing the bid through. I was happy with the proposal last night and the answers from the guys giving the presentation. You do get a return for your season ticket money, you get to watch 18 games of football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) I would worry if SIMSA were to allocate shares to its members , that would create 1000 more shareholders. Not necessarily. I'm sure quite a few people who sign up will have bought shares in the 90's, like myself. Just away to sign up, so watch for the counter going up by one. Edited to add - That's me signed up. Edited May 20, 2016 by FTOF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Not necessarily. I'm sure quite a few people who sign up already will have bought shares in the 90's, like myself. Just away to sign up, so watch for the counter going up by one. Edited to add - That's me signed up. Good for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapsalmon Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 I'd quite like REA to ask some questions. He probably knows which ones need asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notabuddie Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 I thought the meeting last night was a non event. No idea of how the club will be financed following the bid. No clear answer when someone asked about SMISA veto and finance. GLS said he would listen to the fans but referred to the south stand issue not what was asked regarding the west bank decide. SMISA never put an opinion forward The guy that asked about the share or token. The only sensible answer was that it could be considered if people stayed for the full term. Also sloped was that this is a life long commitment not 10 years. Pay your money for 10 years and you have nothing to show for it. You stop paying after 10 years you don't even have a SMISA membership. The only pull to get people on board for this bid is the emotional tie to the club. Which someone pointed that 60% of the fans base do not share Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 60% of the fan base don't have an emotional tie to the club? I'd like to see how that figure was worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 60% of the fan base don't have an emotional tie to the club? I'd like to see how that figure was worked out. It was worked out in his shit stirring brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smcc Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 I thought the meeting last night was a non event. No idea of how the club will be financed following the bid. No clear answer when someone asked about SMISA veto and finance. GLS said he would listen to the fans but referred to the south stand issue not what was asked regarding the west bank decide. SMISA never put an opinion forward The guy that asked about the share or token. The only sensible answer was that it could be considered if people stayed for the full term. Also sloped was that this is a life long commitment not 10 years. Pay your money for 10 years and you have nothing to show for it. You stop paying after 10 years you don't even have a SMISA membership. The only pull to get people on board for this bid is the emotional tie to the club. Which someone pointed that 60% of the fans base do not share 60% of the fan base have no emotional attachment to the club? Why else would they turn up to watch the rubbish served up for the past two seasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 60% of the fan base don't have an emotional tie to the club? I'd like to see how that figure was worked out. It wasn't. He talking utter shite as usual. Another waste of oxygen to put on ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 It wasn't. He talking utter shite as usual. Another waste of oxygen to put on ignore. But wait . You`ve got it all wrong !! He`s a genuine guy who just wants to be friends !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notabuddie Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 1000 sign ups equals 40% of the average home support that's what I conclude. It was the guy asking the question last night that said two thirds were not buying in. If you have an emotional tie into the club will result in someone signing up. So please do tell me how that is talking shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notabuddie Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Were you even at or watching the meeting last night or did you not understand the big sentences they were using Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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