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Some utter nonsense being spoken here about how the media works, although not surprising considering who it is that's spouting it.

Let's get away from this stuff about the media not being interested because it's not the Old Firm. They will be. They covered plenty of Hearts stuff and, to go back a bit further, they covered plenty of the attempt to buy Stirling Albion. That was mainly because they were coming up with nonsense about renaming as the Stirling Meerkats but that makes my point - they offered something unique and different to generate some media interesting. There isn't anything that at the moment, it just seems to be a case of hoping journalists stumble across things on Twitter. At least approach the journalists rather than assume no one is interested.

The perfect way to do that just now would be to put Gordon Scott up for interview, be it Sportsound, Super Scoreboard, the papers or whatever. With due respect to George Adam but folk don't really want to hear from politicians - especially just after an election. Gordon plans to be chairman, which is going to put him much more in the limelight than he is currently, so he might as well get used to it. Put him up for interview so he can explain why this is a good thing for the club and what new plans he has to freshen things up. The interview/article could have included details such as "If you want to know more, go to the meeting on Thursday".

Not everyone uses social media, reads this forum or checks this website. My dad doesn't and I'd imagine plenty of other folk from that generation don't (as well as younger people so I'm not accused of being ageist). Aside from me or my brother telling him, how is he meant to know there is a meeting on Thursday night? Someone has claimed national papers are dead, that is not the case. They are probably in terminal decline but they still have thousands of readers so there's no reason to ignore them just because you think papers are pish. Likewise the PDE and the Gazette (if that's still on the go) are read by plenty of people and with them being the local papers you might even be able to get something in on a weekly basis.

The SMiSA team have done a great job so far with the forum, social media, website etc but the figures seem to have plateaued well short of the target, suggesting there are plenty of folk out there who don't know what's going on and need to be told.

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Got to agree with Stu on this. Over the years I got plenty put in the Wishaw Press about our Boys Club whether it was about a new shirt sponsor, prize givings, speakers nights, our AGM or even a story about the club website and the web traffic we were generating, I found the local papers were only too delighted to get some content. I even managed to get a quarter page article in the Sun and the Record for the football club, and the Athletics club got a four page centre spread in the Record once....admittedly only after the CEO of The Big Partnership tidied up the article as a favour...but again I found the press were happy to have something it could publish to fill space on slow news days. Amongst the club support there are several high profile journalists surely it's not a stretch to think they'd help tidy up articles for copy.

As for helping... well id happy to if I could see where help was required. I don't need to be a St Mirren supporter to see the potential of community ownership.

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Some utter nonsense being spoken here about how the media works, although not surprising considering who it is that's spouting it.

Let's get away from this stuff about the media not being interested because it's not the Old Firm. They will be. They covered plenty of Hearts stuff and, to go back a bit further, they covered plenty of the attempt to buy Stirling Albion. That was mainly because they were coming up with nonsense about renaming as the Stirling Meerkats but that makes my point - they offered something unique and different to generate some media interesting. There isn't anything that at the moment, it just seems to be a case of hoping journalists stumble across things on Twitter. At least approach the journalists rather than assume no one is interested.

The perfect way to do that just now would be to put Gordon Scott up for interview, be it Sportsound, Super Scoreboard, the papers or whatever. With due respect to George Adam but folk don't really want to hear from politicians - especially just after an election. Gordon plans to be chairman, which is going to put him much more in the limelight than he is currently, so he might as well get used to it. Put him up for interview so he can explain why this is a good thing for the club and what new plans he has to freshen things up. The interview/article could have included details such as "If you want to know more, go to the meeting on Thursday".

Not everyone uses social media, reads this forum or checks this website. My dad doesn't and I'd imagine plenty of other folk from that generation don't (as well as younger people so I'm not accused of being ageist). Aside from me or my brother telling him, how is he meant to know there is a meeting on Thursday night? Someone has claimed national papers are dead, that is not the case. They are probably in terminal decline but they still have thousands of readers so there's no reason to ignore them just because you think papers are pish. Likewise the PDE and the Gazette (if that's still on the go) are read by plenty of people and with them being the local papers you might even be able to get something in on a weekly basis.

The SMiSA team have done a great job so far with the forum, social media, website etc but the figures seem to have plateaued well short of the target, suggesting there are plenty of folk out there who don't know what's going on and need to be told.

I think if you can set up all these wonderful media ops up you should contact Smisa straight away. Everything helps.

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I wouldn't suggest it's a good idea to say 'how impressed you are with posters rattling off' to the very people you are trying to engage with or appeal to with regard to the club buying out process.

There are many different opinions that we all share on here, some more knowledgeable than others some less.

I don't think people are 'rattling off' I think people are contributing their thoughts and opinions and personal experiences to the situation.

#justathought

We all

So "rattling off" is a deeply offensive term, and not as I had previously thought, and the oxford english dictionary confirms an expression that is to: "

Say, perform, or produce something quickly and effortlessly"

You live and learn!

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In that case, why don't you explain exactly what you mean.

I dare you.

ETA - I think I get it now. You were referring to MySpace and Bebo, right?

LOL. Seriously? You didn't know what is meant by "social media"?

No wonder young people think those over 40 are simply useless and spend their time waiting for death.

In this one instance I would have to agree with them.

Mind you I can communicate with another adult face to face without having to check my phone every 5 seconds. I also earn more and I own my own home with a mortgage which is now paid off so all these mouthy cocky youngsters can go and do one. thumbup2.gif

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To be honest, they should be doing anything to get publicity ie flash mob in Paisley Gilmour Street; saying they are going canvass the support about merging with our Greenock neighbours (that could backfire!) etc etc.

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So "rattling off" is a deeply offensive term, and not as I had previously thought, and the oxford english dictionary confirms an expression that is to: "

Say, perform, or produce something quickly and effortlessly"

You live and learn!

Indeed we do. I'm glad you realise that perhaps people were not 'rattling off' , perhaps their response was not 'quickly and effortlessly' posted, it may well of been considered and thought through first ? :P

#justathought

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Indeed we do. I'm glad you realise that perhaps people were not 'rattling off' , perhaps their response was not 'quickly and effortlessly' posted, it may well of been considered and thought through first ? :P

#justathought

Are you signed up to #BuyTheBuds?

Thats the only game in town!

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LOL. Seriously? You didn't know what is meant by "social media"?

No wonder young people think those over 40 are simply useless and spend their time waiting for death.

In this one instance I would have to agree with them.

Mind you I can communicate with another adult face to face without having to check my phone every 5 seconds. I also earn more and I own my own home with a mortgage which is now paid off so all these mouthy cocky youngsters can go and do one. thumbup2.gif

Clearly I have no idea. Could you explain, please? What am I missing?

My understanding is that Facebook and Twitter are social media platforms. Is this incorrect?

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Yes , just 3 of us in my family that would or could.

I hope the whole thing goes through but like many , I'm wondering where the next 400 are going to come from.

Same place the first 600 came from. Some folks just need a deadline to convince them to get onboard the 'Bud-Train'.

Propose it, and they will come!

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Stu is correct in what he says.

There needs to be a focal point to the stories. You need to be innovative to get your message out there, to try and engage your audience and capture the imagination. I've yet to see or read anything from Gordon Scott on this - he should be a lot more visible/vocal.

I've not signed up because I'm not convinced that fan ownership for st Mirren is sustainable or worth it... So I've to be convinced and I'm sure there are many others.

That's constructive criticism, it's upto Gordon Scott and smisa to convince me otherwise.

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I really have no idea what makes a mature adult post that kind of claptrap. Is there a word for a mortgage which has been paid off? You either have one or you don't.

Away and enjoy your whoosh in private and gie us all peace.

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Then your comment made no sense.

Celtic and Rangers cant hog social media like they can with the mainstream media so that cant be a reason.

Eh?

The main outlets control their content. They have the greatest exposure (number of followers, etc.) and reach the largest numbers. They therefore choose what they think the majority want to read/hear about.

I thought that would be blatantly obvious.

When I said social media did you actually understand what I meant?

Twitter, Youtube and Facebook control nothing.

What is obvious is that you are a dinosaur my friend.

In that case, why don't you explain exactly what you mean.

I dare you.

ETA - I think I get it now. You were referring to MySpace and Bebo, right?

LOL. Seriously? You didn't know what is meant by "social media"?

No wonder young people think those over 40 are simply useless and spend their time waiting for death.

In this one instance I would have to agree with them.

Mind you I can communicate with another adult face to face without having to check my phone every 5 seconds. I also earn more and I own my own home with a mortgage which is now paid off so all these mouthy cocky youngsters can go and do one. thumbup2.gif

Clearly I have no idea. Could you explain, please? What am I missing?

My understanding is that Facebook and Twitter are social media platforms. Is this incorrect?

No it's not incorrect.

OK let's try again.

At the top I responded to your claim about the OF hogging the media outlets by reminding you that you were a dinosaur and that social media was the way forwards.

I then said the OF couldn't hog that.

You then came back and said the main outlets control their output. Now that either meant you don't understand what social media is (because nobody controls anything on there) or you missed the fact that I used that phrase in the post you were responding to.

I laughed at you at this point in my usual pompous manner.

You then said I should have clarified what I meant.

At which point I wondered which part of my original post, where I used the phrase "social media", was unclear and realised I might be talking to someone who was still trying to come to terms with how a mobile phone worked.

At this stage I believe I may have said something which angered our Irish dwelling friend but we can skip that bit because apparently me simply breathing seems to do that to him.

Finally you attempted to school me on what social media is by mentioning Facebook etc. at which point I thanked my parents for bringing me up to have a hide thicker than a rhino.

I think I've summarised that quite well.

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I've been really disappointed by the campaign so far and haven't signed up yet. The plus points seem to be if everything works out the fans will own the club in 10 years time and 1000 people paying direct debits each month for 10 years get represented by 1 person on a board of how many, and the club gets an extra £2k a month. At least with the 10000 Hours bid you got the impression rea was knocking his pan in to meet fans and answer questions, and there was going to be a separate board trying to raise revenue by bringing the community to the stadium and getting the club out into the community and that seemed like a decent plan to grow the size of the fanbase and increase the number of people coming through the home turnstiles on matchdays.

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Public meeting 19th May at the ground Gordon will be there and it will be streamed live on the web. Gordon attended and spoke at the first public meeting which was immediately after the SMiSA AGM, he has a lot of tying up to do between now and the next meeting and as mentioned by Div, it's the job of SMiSA to raise the £380k needed to join forces with Gordon, he will attend and speak at as many meetings as he can to help us in our bid.

also

last but not least

on this discussion thread, see above

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I've been really disappointed by the campaign so far and haven't signed up yet. The plus points seem to be if everything works out the fans will own the club in 10 years time and 1000 people paying direct debits each month for 10 years get represented by 1 person on a board of how many, and the club gets an extra £2k a month. At least with the 10000 Hours bid you got the impression rea was knocking his pan in to meet fans and answer questions, and there was going to be a separate board trying to raise revenue by bringing the community to the stadium and getting the club out into the community and that seemed like a decent plan to grow the size of the fanbase and increase the number of people coming through the home turnstiles on matchdays.

Yeah I'd agree with that. It's just been dawning on me that there's nothing on the website or in any of the information provided that details what kind of business the club would be after the takeover. There's no mention of SEN's or CIC's and that should have been a deal breaker or maker for me in the first instance. I just made an assumption that it would be and its only now I'm beginning to realise that actually that might not be the proposal on the table. I've no problem with the club being set up to make a profit but it's how any potential profit would be handled that is an issue for me.

I've signed up.....I'm maybe regretting it a bit now. Hopefully Thursday can settle my mind somewhat.

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No it's not incorrect.

OK let's try again.

At the top I responded to your claim about the OF hogging the media outlets by reminding you that you were a dinosaur and that social media was the way forwards.

I then said the OF couldn't hog that.

You then came back and said the main outlets control their output. Now that either meant you don't understand what social media is (because nobody controls anything on there) or you missed the fact that I used that phrase in the post you were responding to.

I laughed at you at this point in my usual pompous manner.

You then said I should have clarified what I meant.

At which point I wondered which part of my original post, where I used the phrase "social media", was unclear and realised I might be talking to someone who was still trying to come to terms with how a mobile phone worked.

At this stage I believe I may have said something which angered our Irish dwelling friend but we can skip that bit because apparently me simply breathing seems to do that to him.

Finally you attempted to school me on what social media is by mentioning Facebook etc. at which point I thanked my parents for bringing me up to have a hide thicker than a rhino.

I think I've summarised that quite well.

It must be awful to be so clever that the only person that understands what you're whittering on about is you.

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It must be awful to be so clever that the only person that understands what you're whittering on about is you.

I wont lie, its a burden.

To be fair though there are words with more than one syllable in that post so I understand why you in particular struggled with it.

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You claim to be a scientist but answering questions put to you seems to be beyond you. Was your degree in obfuscation? When you get a difficult question about one of your weird rants, you simply ignore it. Give us a joke about Muhammad.

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