magnus Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 How much do you think Mallan is worth? I think he is a very good young talent and I believe that he has a couple of years left on his contract. Kenny and John have both done really well since leaving us so we have a bit of a pedigree now when it comes to developing young players. I would be looking for a bit more than we got for Kenny particularly if we can get some interest from English clubs. So I would be tempted by any offer over £300,000. What do you think Mallen is worth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuurner Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 I'd say Mallan has shown much more promise/potential at his age than either McGinn or McLean did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 I'd say Mallan has shown much more promise/potential at his age than either McGinn or McLean did. Its a close call. John McGinn looked really good when he first broke through into the first team. He always seemed to have something about him. A sell on clause is also worth adding to any sale of these young guys as the BoD did with Hibs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Dundee want Mallan too. I would like Messi but I think both me and Dundee have zero chance of getting who we want. Mallan is contracted with us until the summer of 2018. His development fee alone is a figure Dundee could not afford. Given a good season this season and possible promotion I reckon we are sitting on a gold mine and if all else fails we get a development fee of around £150,000 (pure speculation but based on McGinn' and Mclean's fees) and another two seasons of the wee man (assuming he stays fit and continues to improve which I think he will under Rae). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuurner Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Its a close call. John McGinn looked really good when he first broke through into the first team. He always seemed to have something about him. A sell on clause is also worth adding to any sale of these young guys as the BoD did with Hibs. I think he is more well rounded than McGinn. McGinn could run with the ball but his shooting was pretty poor and passing was nothing special in comparison to Mallan's. Also, Mallan was starting to show a bit more defensively in the tail end of the season. However, you could argue Mallan has been playing at a lower level than our previous players have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuurner Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 I would like Messi but I think both me and Dundee have zero chance of getting who we want. Mallan is contracted with us until the summer of 2018. His development fee alone is a figure Dundee could not afford. Given a good season this season and possible promotion I reckon we are sitting on a gold mine and if all else fails we get a development fee of around £150,000 (pure speculation but based on McGinn' and Mclean's fees) and another two seasons of the wee man (assuming he stays fit and continues to improve which I think he will under Rae). Let's hope he doesn't have a shocker of a second full season like McGinn did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevo_smfc Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 I think 300k upwards including a 33% sell-on, like we have in place for McGinn would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbar_bud Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) Its a close call. John McGinn looked really good when he first broke through into the first team. He always seemed to have something about him. A sell on clause is also worth adding to any sale of these young guys as the BoD did with Hibs. I guess the difference is, and no offence meant to John, but players like John are not too rare. Whereas how many teenage central midfielders have a goal scoring record like Stevie Mallan? Look at all the players Dundee Utd produced and sold, Stewart Armstrong for example, had a scoring record of 18 goals in 126 league games, Stevie has 15 goals in 56. Also compare him to Hibs/Celtics Liam Henderson, who is the same age, 10 goals in 59 (League games only, his record is worse if you add in cup games). I'm not saying Mallan is worth millions, but based on his goal record above the Dundee offer of £60k is insulting. FFS we paid about £30k for Gareth Wardlaw....... Edited to add: I have realised he has just turned 20 Edited May 24, 2016 by foxbar_bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Its a close call. John McGinn looked really good when he first broke through into the first team. He always seemed to have something about him. A sell on clause is also worth adding to any sale of these young guys as the BoD did with Hibs. The circumstances of the sell-on were a bit different than usual insomuch McGinn was out of contract and could sign for anyone but we were due a substantial development fee which put many clubs off. If no-one paid up we could have gone to a tribunal or we kept him out the game. Hibs paid less that what he was worth but we got some development fee and a sell-on clause. Its not uncommon but not the norm to have a sell-on clause. Personally I would just take the £2M up front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soctty Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 I think he is more well rounded than McGinn. McGinn could run with the ball but his shooting was pretty poor and passing was nothing special in comparison to Mallan's. Also, Mallan was starting to show a bit more defensively in the tail end of the season. However, you could argue Mallan has been playing at a lower level than our previous players have. Take Mallan's first part-season in the Premiership - 5 goals and 5 assists in 24 starts. You'd struggle to find 18 year old strikers with that return, never mind a midfielder. Carried on where he left off, albeit a lower level, this season. Check McLean and McGinn's first 24 starts - nowhere near the impact of Mallan. 3 goals and 1 assist for McLean, 1 and 1 for McGinn, in the same league. Mallan has kicked on big time this season just ended, with 15 goals and 5 assists from midfield, in 38 starts, all competitions. Still had people towards the end of the season complaining he didn't contribute enough apart from the goals and assists... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuurner Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Take Mallan's first part-season in the Premiership - 5 goals and 5 assists in 24 starts. You'd struggle to find 18 year old strikers with that return, never mind a midfielder. Carried on where he left off, albeit a lower level, this season. Check McLean and McGinn's first 24 starts - nowhere near the impact of Mallan. 3 goals and 1 assist for McLean, 1 and 1 for McGinn, in the same league. Mallan has kicked on big time this season just ended, with 15 goals and 5 assists from midfield, in 38 starts, all competitions. Still had people towards the end of the season complaining he didn't contribute enough apart from the goals and assists... That's essentially what I was trying to get across but you did a much better job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapsalmon Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Goodwin? I know how every club in the country was envious we had him.... If not Goody then I would also reckon Naismith. Far more experienced and consistent than Baird. £2M should do it I am sorry to say.....Am I missing something? Goodwin got released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Take Mallan's first part-season in the Premiership - 5 goals and 5 assists in 24 starts. You'd struggle to find 18 year old strikers with that return, never mind a midfielder. Carried on where he left off, albeit a lower level, this season. Check McLean and McGinn's first 24 starts - nowhere near the impact of Mallan. 3 goals and 1 assist for McLean, 1 and 1 for McGinn, in the same league. Mallan has kicked on big time this season just ended, with 15 goals and 5 assists from midfield, in 38 starts, all competitions. Still had people towards the end of the season complaining he didn't contribute enough apart from the goals and assists... Spot on. I would be surprised if Mallan goes on to achieve less than Mclsan and McGinn. Won't stop our fans getting on his back though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Spot on. I would be surprised if Mallan goes on to achieve less than Mclsan and McGinn. Won't stop our fans getting on his back though. What transfer value would you put on Mallan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 What the f**k is this pish about Mallan got to do with Shankland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 I agree with Elvis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 What the f**k is this pish about Mallan got to do with Shankland. Too positive for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 What the f**k is this pish about Mallan got to do with Shankland. Going off topic is standard procedure on all threads on here. Surely you have realised that? We may revert back to Shankland then again we may drift into who was better at the same age - Mallan, McGinn or Mclean - oh, done that. Well how about is Mallan the best free kick specialist you have seen or was it Gunni (at least that brings a forward into the discussion ) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Going off topic is standard procedure on all threads on here. Surely you have realised that? We may revert back to Shankland then again we may drift into who was better at the same age - Mallan, McGinn or Mclean - oh, done that. Well how about is Mallan the best free kick specialist you have seen or was it Gunni (at least that brings a forward into the discussion ) . And add to the mix Munoz mentioned in this thread that Shankland may join Saints permanently with a player and cash going up to Aberdeen. Drew put out Mallen as a suggestion so kind of hangs together and the rest is history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 What the f**k is this pish about Mallan got to do with Shankland. Ok Elvis, just for you. Can we get a smile now http://www.afc.co.uk/news/7925.php#.V0SWsOR3p9h Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Ok Elvis, just for you. Can we get a smile now http://www.afc.co.uk/news/7925.php#.V0SWsOR3p9h Good article.Like the bit about Langfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr rotund Posted June 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Shankland would love to play for us next season. It's up to Aberdeen whether they want to keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daved Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Would he get a start with Sutton now signed up as No 1 striker? He's too similar to Sutton. Aberdeen might prefer him to go to the likes of Dunfermline or bottom end of Spl rather than warm our bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ McG Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Would he get a start with Sutton now signed up as No 1 striker? He's too similar to Sutton. Aberdeen might prefer him to go to the likes of Dunfermline or bottom end of Spl rather than warm our bench. Warm our bench? Behave yourself ffs. Shankland would start ahead both Sutton and Clarkson going by end of season form, Shanks is Rae's top priority signing and there has been budget set aside for him to come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbar_bud Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Warm our bench? Behave yourself ffs. Shankland would start ahead both Sutton and Clarkson going by end of season form, Shanks is Rae's top priority signing and there has been budget set aside for him to come back. Is that from the same source that told you Sutton was going elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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