Ralston Snobs In Uproar

[faraway saint]

Swearing is unacceptable - that's your opinion. Not everyone will agree with that point of view. Also, how often does this swearing take place, how loud is it and what duration are said sweary sessions?

St. Mirren are only out of order if they condone anti social behaviour and allow it to continue.

Ralston doesn't have every right to complain, only those households directly affected. Do we know how many that is? Similarly, can you tell me how many houses are within swearing distance of old firm training grounds?

Is there an amount that need to be directly affected to make it matter?

What has the houses within "swearing distance", whatever that is, of any of the OF training grounds?

[Seaside Nipper]

Swearing is unacceptable - that's your opinion. Not everyone will agree with that point of view. Also, how often does this swearing take place, how loud is it and what duration are said sweary sessions?

St. Mirren are only out of order if they condone anti social behaviour and allow it to continue.

Ralston doesn't have every right to complain, only those households directly affected. Do we know how many that is? Similarly, can you tell me how many houses are within swearing distance of old firm training grounds?

Maybe consult the documents around the planning consents......unlikely however that there are any escape caveats in that pile of dung.

I remember some local worthless councillor telling a resident that they "didn't own the view" when they objected to some installation or other that directly affected their local amenity and their enjoyment of their garden. I'd imagine a similar remark would be made about expletives, along the lines of shut your double glazed units , or wear headphones in the garden.

By and large no one gives a flying phuck about local residents concerns , it's all a case of too bad and well , you can always move if you don't like it.

Empathy and working through for an amenable solution is non existent.

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Is there an amount that need to be directly affected to make it matter?

What has the houses within "swearing distance", whatever that is, of any of the OF training grounds?

It's relevant to the number of complaints. We don't know how many households have complained, or how many are directly affected. These numbers may not be the same.

Similarly, we don't know if there are issues at these other training grounds. Despite this, DougJamie has made assertions and conclusions.

[Seaside Nipper]

Is there an amount that need to be directly affected to make it matter?

What has the houses within "swearing distance", whatever that is, of any of the OF training grounds?

Hmm, what is the swearing suppression range indeed eh...........prevailing wind could mean some households hear plenty , others upwind of the profanity output hear nothing ???

I dare say a few strategically placed signs along the edge of the playing facility, 'no f**kin swearing'. That could be the cooncils pro active action here

[shull]

I heard the swearing while sitting in my Cab on the Glasgow Road.

Put my window up and turned up Smooth Radio.

[faraway saint]

I heard the swearing while sitting in my Cab on the Glasgow Road.

Put my window up and turned up Smooth Radio.

Genius, all that the "snobs" need to do is shut the windows and turn up radio 4, sorted.

[The Original 59er]

Hmm, what is the swearing suppression range indeed eh...........prevailing wind could mean some households hear plenty , others upwind of the profanity output hear nothing ???

I dare say a few strategically placed signs along the edge of the playing facility, 'no f**kin swearing'. That could be the cooncils pro active action here

Looking at aerial maps you might argue that 19 households could have a logical argument that they hear what is shouted or said loudly over the back of their well tended rear hedges.

Wind assisted or not, no matter the use, even if was not training / football pitches but a golf course, or a playground what ever the use, a neighbour has a right to complain to the local authority if there is a nuisance being created on adjoining property (and swearing loudly or repeatedly would come into that sphere of argument).

Rangers do not have any residential properties within any distance that people could hear unless they use a tannoy system and sing "the sash" over loudspeakers (as members of a certain golf club did once and needless to say the neighbours complained!!!).

Swearing is a form of words within any language where profane words are uttered, usually for effect or frequently used in anger. "However, it is wrong to presume from this case that there are no languages that have no swear words. The transition of words from daily use to taboo comes at a significant sociolinguistic cost and one that society would not pay unless the language had a mechanism to ensure a constant supply of new words to replace those that have become unusable due to their taboo nature. (i.e we now use 'vagina' to do the job 'c*nt' once did in Chaucer's day)".

We are naturally proud of the English language as it tends to evolve with the times and also with the introduction of new phrases and languages that come into our country, but that doesn't get away from the fact that words can and do become unacceptable to the human ear and accordingly are not used in day and daily language as they are considered taboo.

So for potentially 19 households in Ralston they have a right to expect not to hear a barrage of profanities on a consistent basis and if it is happening on such a basis then the Club should act and ensure that they are not the source of the nuisance.

[shull]

FFS

[Seaside Nipper]

I think the cooncil should allocate a profanity and expletives officer to investigate this and advise.

There is the prospect of stress from continual alleged anti social behaviour, the quality of valuable amenity lost, the quality of life suffers, the overall impact could be construed as a negative to a number of householders.

So, is the St Mirren training facility a greater benefit to a greater number, in which case the affected minority should put up or shut up, or, does this facility, relocate to a more approriate location and risk spoiling the potential enjoyment for thousands and thousands of fans by denying their favoured team a valuable training complex, that could develop players of prospect into a winning team capable of Euro glory for the populace in general to bask in !

The open top bus route through Rawlston would require tbc

[shull]

FFS

[Seaside Nipper]

FFS

My thoughts exactly, you sitting there engine idling , polluting the streets and the wider surrounding environs of Rawlston

[shull]

Only me that's idling.

Warm enough to have engine off therefore no heater.

[The Original 59er]

So, is the St Mirren training facility a greater benefit to a greater number, in which case the affected minority should put up or shut up, or, does this facility, relocate to a more approriate location and risk spoiling the potential enjoyment for thousands and thousands of fans by denying their favoured team a valuable training complex, that could develop players of prospect into a winning team capable of Euro glory for the populace in general to bask in !

So you buy your house and invest all your savings in whatever street in Paisley and you have a nice elderly quiet next door neighbour who after 6 months sells up to go and live with her daughter in Australia and she sells to the highest bidder, who turns out to be a dealer in unknown goods, comes from a background of dubious circumstances and allows his kids to shout and swear in the back garden each and every day, unchecked.

So what do you do about the stream of profanities you hear? Go round and put your case diplomatically and appeal to the gentleman's better side and ask him politely to temper the children's excesses? I suggest that you might just have a small problem.

Now you have a real issue, as your day to day enjoyment of your property is being eroded as is your property value.

As I have eluded, if it is occurring frequently the near neighbours of the facility have a right to complain and if they feel they are getting nowhere with the club then the next step is the Council noise abatement officer who will assess the position and then act. The Club don't want that hassle, so it is in their interest to temper it down and discourage the excesses.

[HSS]

There have been football pitches on the site for at least 45 years.Now unless the Residents are all long term Ralstonites surely they must have realised there could be the occasional noise problem when they bought their houses.

[The Original 59er]

There have been football pitches on the site for at least 45 years.Now unless the Residents are all long term Ralstonites surely they must have realised there could be the occasional noise problem when they bought their houses.

Basic legal approach in the UK (as opposed to the US where they can apply 'buyer beware') is that even if you know there is an adjacent facility it is the responsibility of the facility to keep their house in order.

E.G. if your next door neighbour is a golf course and even though you bought the house knowing there is a golf course there, it is the responsibility of the golf course to stop golf balls landing in the adjacent property and thus cause a nuisance.

The same applies to football pitches, or for that matter an industrial concern, and that would stretch to an increase in noise or unsocial behaviour.

[Isle Of Bute Saint]

Tale it this is the close season

[shull]

Tale it this is the close season

Not according to Smokie.

[faraway saint]

Tale it this is the close season

Aye, that thread about a cup of tea was a classic.

[shull]

Aye, that thread about a cup of tea was a classic.

I enjoyed that Thread. Took great inspiration from it.

[HSS]

Aye, that thread about a cup of tea was a classic.

Stop stirring it.????

[stlucifer]

Stop stirring it.

Leaf him alone.

Edited May 24, 2016 by stlucifer

[dr rotund]

A storm in a tea cup, this story!

[Guest TPAFKATS]

A storm in a tea cup, this story!

Aye

This is a storm in a teacup, albeit it a fine china one.

[Stu]

Swear jar introduced: http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/14553238.St_Mirren_footballers_to_be_fined___1_a_word_by_club_bosses_after_furious_neighbours_complain/

[magnus]

Swear jar introduced: http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/14553238.St_Mirren_footballers_to_be_fined___1_a_word_by_club_bosses_after_furious_neighbours_complain/

FFS