faraway saint Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 I thought Alex Salmond was great on the show last night. What did he do.................sing, street dance? I love Britains Got Talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo Posted May 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 What did he do.................sing, street dance? I love Britains Got Talent. Away and paint your fence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo Posted May 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Today the scare story is. The Treasury has warned that millions of current and future pensioners will be worse off if the UK leaves the European Union. Its analysis suggests Brexit would cause inflation to rise, eroding the value of state pension increases, costing recipients £137 a year. Those with an additional pension pot worth £60,000 would see its value drop by £1,900, the Treasury said. However, Vote Leave said the analysis was "utterly outrageous". Former Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith, who is campaigning for Vote Leave, said: "This is an utterly outrageous attempt by the government to do down people's pensions and is little more than a cynical attempt to distract from the government's broken promises on immigration." "The biggest threat to British pensions is the European Commission's proposals to undermine occupational pensions, which the government themselves have described as 'damaging and reckless'. "Meanwhile, tax proposals from Eurozone countries will wipe billions off British assets hitting pension funds hardest," he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Today the scare story is. The Treasury has warned that millions of current and future pensioners will be worse off if the UK leaves the European Union. Its analysis suggests Brexit would cause inflation to rise, eroding the value of state pension increases, costing recipients £137 a year. Those with an additional pension pot worth £60,000 would see its value drop by £1,900, the Treasury said. However, Vote Leave said the analysis was "utterly outrageous". Former Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith, who is campaigning for Vote Leave, said: "This is an utterly outrageous attempt by the government to do down people's pensions and is little more than a cynical attempt to distract from the government's broken promises on immigration." "The biggest threat to British pensions is the European Commission's proposals to undermine occupational pensions, which the government themselves have described as 'damaging and reckless'. "Meanwhile, tax proposals from Eurozone countries will wipe billions off British assets hitting pension funds hardest," he said. You'r scaring me, could you please stop it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Today the scare story is. The Treasury has warned that millions of current and future pensioners will be worse off if the UK leaves the European Union. Its analysis suggests Brexit would cause inflation to rise, eroding the value of state pension increases, costing recipients £137 a year. Those with an additional pension pot worth £60,000 would see its value drop by £1,900, the Treasury said. However, Vote Leave said the analysis was "utterly outrageous". Former Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith, who is campaigning for Vote Leave, said: "This is an utterly outrageous attempt by the government to do down people's pensions and is little more than a cynical attempt to distract from the government's broken promises on immigration." "The biggest threat to British pensions is the European Commission's proposals to undermine occupational pensions, which the government themselves have described as 'damaging and reckless'. "Meanwhile, tax proposals from Eurozone countries will wipe billions off British assets hitting pension funds hardest," he said. Was it not scaring the pensioners that swung the Indy Ref in favour of a no vote? It's all so similar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Was it not scaring the pensioners that swung the Indy Ref in favour of a no vote? It's all so similar Correct. It was NOT scaring the pensioners that swung the Indy ref. It was common sense and the expressed will of the free thinking majority! Well pointed out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Was it not scaring the pensioners that swung the Indy Ref in favour of a no vote? It's all so similar No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 SNP will be making a huge mistake going for another independence vote so soon. I voted YES but really could not be arsed having to listen to all the crap again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 SNP will be making a huge mistake going for another independence vote so soon. I voted YES but really could not be arsed having to listen to all the crap again. So you would accept unfettered government by the Old Etoryian (sic) party of Cameron, Johnson and Osbourne. No-one is advocating an Indy referendum every six months until the correct result is achieved but neither should the 2014 result be regarded as a free ticket for 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 So you would accept unfettered government by the Old Etoryian (sic) party of Cameron, Johnson and Osbourne. No-one is advocating an Indy referendum every six months until the correct result is achieved but neither should the 2014 result be regarded as a free ticket for 20 years. The "correct result" was achieved, a democratic vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieinEK Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 ...until the correct result is achieved There we have it... The democratic approach and understanding of a two year old! Here's me thinking that democracy meant all having a vote and then respecting the will of the majority! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergie's no1 fan Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 There we have it... The democratic approach and understanding of a two year old! Here's me thinking that democracy meant all having a vote and then respecting the will of the majority! And if the majority vote in favour for another Indyref that has to be respected too. Can't have it both ways! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 And if the majority vote in favour for another Indyref that has to be respected too. Can't have it both ways! So we have a vote if we want another referendum then we vote on the referendum? How often should these votes take place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 The "correct result" was achieved, a democratic vote. Your stock in trade - deliberately misrepresenting what has been posted. I have no quibble with the 2014 result or the scare tactics used to achieve it (a tradition stretching back at least 90 years) but that was then. I will paraphrase that rabid Socialist Churchill who said that when the situation changed so did his opinions. There's an interesting poll on the EU referendum by region in this Telegraph article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/21/eu-referendum-who-in-britain-wants-to-leave-and-who-wants-to-rem/ My dream result is where the UK as a whole votes to remain in the UK with only England voting to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 There we have it... The democratic approach and understanding of a two year old! Here's me thinking that democracy meant all having a vote and then respecting the will of the majority! Any reason for only quoting a portion of the sentence other than to deliberately misrepresent what I said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) Your stock in trade - deliberately misrepresenting what has been posted. I have no quibble with the 2014 result or the scare tactics used to achieve it (a tradition stretching back at least 90 years) but that was then. I will paraphrase that rabid Socialist Churchill who said that when the situation changed so did his opinions. There's an interesting poll on the EU referendum by region in this Telegraph article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/21/eu-referendum-who-in-britain-wants-to-leave-and-who-wants-to-rem/ My dream result is where the UK as a whole votes to remain in the UK with only England voting to leave. There we have it... The democratic approach and understanding of a two year old! Here's me thinking that democracy meant all having a vote and then respecting the will of the majority! Seems I'm not the only one who "deliberately misrepresented" your post. Maybe you should think before you post. Yeah, scare tactics, as people can't think for themselves, except the "yes" voters, don't make me fecking laugh. Edited May 27, 2016 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergie's no1 fan Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 So we have a vote if we want another referendum then we vote on the referendum? How often should these votes take place? If a party was to put it in their manifesto (I wonder who ) and they were voted in power does that not count? Their will only be another referendum if the polls are showing people in favour of Independence consistently above 55% imo and of course that might never happen! I don't think Sturgeon is stupid enough to hold another one unless they are guaranteed to have a damn good chance of winning it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Seems I'm not the only one who "deliberately misrepresented" your post. You and BinEK = Mike & Bernie Winters - I'd feel more worried if you agreed with me. Maybe you should think before you post. Yeah, scare tactics, as people can't think for themselves, except the "yes" voters, don't make me fecking laugh. A lot of huff & puff, smilies and stock putdowns that we've all seen plenty of times before but as ever no answers. If circumstances change then we have the right to advocate a new Indy referendum, although as I've said I'd love it, absolutely love it, if the smaller countries kept the UK in the EU against the wishes of the English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 You and BinEK = Mike & Bernie Winters - I'd feel more worried if you agreed with me. Typical spoiled brat syndrome, they don't agree with me, they don't count. A lot of huff & puff, smilies and stock putdowns that we've all seen plenty of times before but as ever no answers. If circumstances change then we have the right to advocate a new Indy referendum, although as I've said I'd love it, absolutely love it, if the smaller countries kept the UK in the EU against the wishes of the English. Yeah, like that's going to happen. Time to bake another loaf, this ones stale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) Time to bake another loaf, this ones stale. Not as stale as your patter. I still await a reasoned answer as to why I should not advocate for a new referendum if circumstances change.......... Edited May 27, 2016 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Not as stale as your patter......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Not as stale as your patter. Same old tactics faraway, I think you'll find the whole post was as follows Not as stale as your patter. I still await a reasoned answer as to why I should not advocate for a new referendum if circumstances change.......... I'm quite happy to trade insults with you for a while yet, let's see if you can square the circle by providing answers to the second part of my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Same old tactics faraway, I think you'll find the whole post was as follows The edited post, feck sake, you're having a bad day today? I'm quite happy to trade insults with you for a while yet, let's see if you can square the circle by providing answers to the second part of my post. Run along I have tennis to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Run along I have tennis to watch. But no answers to give......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 But no answers to give......................... Here's my answer, you're making a right arse of yourself. No need to get upset, you can't help having a bad day. Come back tomorrow, I'll ease up on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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