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Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey don't have a vote , mind your island is prettier to be fair

Well to be honest the Isle of man sort of kicks my argument that no man is an island in the baws, but Australia is not my island, but it is ' My Island Home" ( a very nice song by some Aussie band or other ) Am fae Seedhill FFS lol

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Well to be honest the Isle of man sort of kicks my argument that no man is an island in the baws, but Australia is not my island, but it is ' My Island Home" ( a very nice song by some Aussie band or other ) Am fae Seedhill FFS lol

Basically the same Bud, full of convicts without the sun tan lol

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I will likely vote the same way as my kids since they will likely have a lot longer left on this planet than me. If 1 say in and 1 say out I will just get the wife to make my mind up, as usual.

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A man is not an island, can't remember who said it first, but Great Britain is a " wee island " so are you asking if the UK gets a vote on whether or not to leave the EU?

No man is an island was written by Englishman , John Donne . He also wrote the immortal words - do not send to find for whom the bell tolls. .

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I will likely vote the same way as my kids since they will likely have a lot longer left on this planet than me. If 1 say in and 1 say out I will just get the wife to make my mind up, as usual.

Well Dad, I think I'm voting out.

I voted to yes to independence and used Norway as an example of what a small independent country can achieve. I don't think we can use them as an example, when they aren't in the EU. Don't forget the EU also basically told us to get stuffed during the independence campaign. There is also the way they treated countries like Greece.

There are things I do like in the EU such as free movement, but overall the EU is undemocratic and is only going to get worse whilst they create their United States of Europe.

I'll be happy to leave and negotiate a Trade agreement.

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Well Dad, I think I'm voting out.

I voted to yes to independence and used Norway as an example of what a small independent country can achieve. I don't think we can use them as an example, when they aren't in the EU. Don't forget the EU also basically told us to get stuffed during the independence campaign. There is also the way they treated countries like Greece.

There are things I do like in the EU such as free movement, but overall the EU is undemocratic and is only going to get worse whilst they create their United States of Europe.

I'll be happy to leave and negotiate a Trade agreement.

Free movement was all well and good when it was essentially a smaller number of countries with relatively stable economies.

Since the Eastern bloc countries with relative poverty have joined, there was obviously going to be a levelling down of economies as people moved to the richer parts to generate cash and send it home to stimulate their own economy.

If you think things are bad now... Wait for the massive influx of Turks and Albanians next.

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Well Dad, I think I'm voting out.

I voted to yes to independence and used Norway as an example of what a small independent country can achieve. I don't think we can use them as an example, when they aren't in the EU. Don't forget the EU also basically told us to get stuffed during the independence campaign. There is also the way they treated countries like Greece.

There are things I do like in the EU such as free movement, but overall the EU is undemocratic and is only going to get worse whilst they create their United States of Europe.

I'll be happy to leave and negotiate a Trade agreement.

Greece and indeed what they did in Cyprus should be enough to put anyone off being a member of "the Club of Europe", it is nothing more than a horrendous clusterf**k of an idea meant to serve a very small elite .

What both wee Nap' and wee Shickelgrubber were both unable to achieve by force of arms is now being brought to bear in another fashion . Coincidently , it was perhaps only Britain that was able to stand up to both of those little midden's . .

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Greece and indeed what they did in Cyprus should be enough to put anyone off being a member of "the Club of Europe", it is nothing more than a horrendous clusterf**k of an idea meant to serve a very small elite .

What both wee Nap' and wee Shickelgrubber were both unable to achieve by force of arms is now being brought to bear in another fashion . Coincidently , it was perhaps only Britain that was able to stand up to both of those little midden's . .

Are you Mad Boris in disguise?

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I've seen nothing credible to suggest we'd be worse off out.

Then again, when you consider it is all coming from politicians, is it surprising that there has been nothing credible from either side?

Indeed.

Why would anyone listen to a gaggle of slavering tories views on Europe whilst they do their selfish best to further their claims for the next prime minister?

It is amusing seeing them sink further into civil war though.

This is a decision that I will make based on my own opinion on matters based on what I've experienced over the years regarding the EU.

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The EU referendum campaign in Scotland is amusing.

The yesers for Scottish indepedence now using the very same arguments to remain that they campaigned against previously.

Its highlighted that the SNP and yes campaign = UKIP, the Tory right and the leave campaign.

Alex Salmond = Boris Johnson.

Its highlighted how ridiculous both positions are!

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The EU referendum campaign in Scotland is amusing.

The yesers for Scottish indepedence now using the very same arguments to remain that they campaigned against previously.

Its highlighted that the SNP and yes campaign = UKIP, the Tory right and the leave campaign.

Alex Salmond = Boris Johnson.

Its highlighted how ridiculous both positions are!

0/10.

You're getting lazy in your old age.

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The EU referendum campaign in Scotland is amusing.

The yesers for Scottish indepedence now using the very same arguments to remain that they campaigned against previously.

Its highlighted that the SNP and yes campaign = UKIP, the Tory right and the leave campaign.

Alex Salmond = Boris Johnson.

Its highlighted how ridiculous both positions are!

What I've enjoyed is seeing Natsis saying the reason they'll vote out is because Europe turned their back on Scotland during the independence referendum. It's almost as if they struggle to realise that without at least one political Union with the UK or the EU an Independent Scotland would have been utterly f**ked by now.

Without seeing a credible argument to leave I'll vote for the status quo. It strikes me it would be damned stupid to do anything else.

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I've seen nothing credible to suggest we'd be worse off out.

Then again, when you consider it is all coming from politicians, is it surprising that there has been nothing credible from either side?

I'm oscillating from a Remain to a Leave and then back to Remain again.

What concerns me about remaining is the combination of lack of democracy in the EU and the legislative impact on UK businesses from that undemocratic bloc. I side with Leave at this point.

I then look around me at the sea of racists, bigots, conspiracy theorists and general nutjobs advocating Leaving and I despair.

Add to that the undoubted problems of the lack of free movement of people and the impact on immigration in terms of employment (we don't have enough immigration IMO) and I swing back to Remain again.

I then remember that the same lack of immigration would make things much easier for UK scientists like myself to get access to funding and jobs without having to compete with EU scientists and I swing back to Leave again. Then again I want the freedom to move to any EU country for work and/or business without f**king around with Visas and I'm back to Remain again.

Not an easy one this TBH and I will almost certainly vote based solely on what is best for me personally.

People complain about the frustration of not knowing which politician to believe. My question is WTF are you doing expecting any politician to know the answers to any of this stuff? Make your own mind up.

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Free movement was all well and good when it was essentially a smaller number of countries with relatively stable economies.

Since the Eastern bloc countries with relative poverty have joined, there was obviously going to be a levelling down of economies as people moved to the richer parts to generate cash and send it home to stimulate their own economy.

If you think things are bad now... Wait for the massive influx of Turks and Albanians next.

Like I said, it's this specific attitude which disturbs me most about voting to Leave.

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Like I said, it's this specific attitude which disturbs me most about voting to Leave.

He's not wrong though Oaksoft. There was a great piece on This Week on Thursday where John Bird, founder of the Big Issue, was claiming that UK Government policies to end poverty were harming the prospects of those people the social welfare system was designed to help. Liz Kendall argued the socialist case against John Bird who seemed to be claiming that the Welfare State in the UK was too generous, and then Michael Portillo intervened with an observation that Liz Kendall was claiming that the UK poor were amongst the poorest in Europe, yet that simply wasn't true and that if you compared either benefits or the minimum wage with countries like Spain, Portugal, and Greece, never mind the Eastern Bloc countries it was quite clear that we're nowhere near the poorest in Europe, and indeed with the UK Government raising the minimum wage even higher the net effect would be even more EU migration to the UK.

If you think about it logically it's obvious that migration is damaging, not just for the UK economy where we haven't got the infrastructure to deal with such a large, sudden, influx of people, it's also damaging to the countries were these workers are leaving in their droves to work, often in low skilled jobs for far higher wages in the UK. It's where freedom of movement in the EU really hasn't been properly thought out and where it hasn't worked. If you don't have the same Employment legislation, the same minimum wages, and the same levels of income taxation across the whole of the EU then the idea of a single currency and of a large superstate doesn't really work.

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He's not wrong though Oaksoft. There was a great piece on This Week on Thursday where John Bird, founder of the Big Issue, was claiming that UK Government policies to end poverty were harming the prospects of those people the social welfare system was designed to help. Liz Kendall argued the socialist case against John Bird who seemed to be claiming that the Welfare State in the UK was too generous, and then Michael Portillo intervened with an observation that Liz Kendall was claiming that the UK poor were amongst the poorest in Europe, yet that simply wasn't true and that if you compared either benefits or the minimum wage with countries like Spain, Portugal, and Greece, never mind the Eastern Bloc countries it was quite clear that we're nowhere near the poorest in Europe, and indeed with the UK Government raising the minimum wage even higher the net effect would be even more EU migration to the UK.

If you think about it logically it's obvious that migration is damaging, not just for the UK economy where we haven't got the infrastructure to deal with such a large, sudden, influx of people, it's also damaging to the countries were these workers are leaving in their droves to work, often in low skilled jobs for far higher wages in the UK. It's where freedom of movement in the EU really hasn't been properly thought out and where it hasn't worked. If you don't have the same Employment legislation, the same minimum wages, and the same levels of income taxation across the whole of the EU then the idea of a single currency and of a large superstate doesn't really work.

I know John Bird is a big critic of the welfare system and politician's "well meaning" attempts to solve poverty by simply throwing money at it.

I agree that the welfare state is simply too generous in this country and the fact that people can simply remain on it for life is one of the biggest social scandals we face. John is a strong advocate of people standing on their own two feet and taking personal responsibility for themselves but the people at the bottom need more direct help to allow them to do that. Simply throwing cash at people solves nothing, is intellectually bankrupt and TBH smacks of wanting maximum gain for minimum effort - pretty much like chucking £5 in a charity tin and thinking that this shows you care about the cause.

I agree about the effect of migration on the poorer countries who are seeing millions of their young people leave for foreign shores but with respect that is their problem not ours.

We are in a global market competing for the best staff and if that means raiding eastern european countries to entice their best staff then there's no chance I'll be shedding a tear for their homeland.

As for the sudden influx of migrants? That is a local problem not a national one.

I'm not interested ina single currency or a single superstate.

I'm all for small countries working together on common goals independently of each other without one of them dominating the others. On this point I'm viewing independence within the EU on the same scale as Scotland independent within the UK. No way should the EU be telling the UK who can and can't fish off the coast of the UK for example just as the UK shouldn't be telling Scotland what tax rate to set to attract business.

An alliance of equals.

How about that for a slogan?

That's where my beliefs lie.

Now I need to fathom out whether voting In or Out gives me the closest thing to that.

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mmmm

typo versus actually stealing money from the disabled (as you believe you are doing) to buy presents for your grandchildren.

The EU referendum campaign in Scotland is amusing.

The yesers for Scottish indepedence now using the very same arguments to remain that they campaigned against previously.

Its highlighted that the SNP and yes campaign = UKIP, the Tory right and the leave campaign.

Alex Salmond = Boris Johnson.

Its highlighted how ridiculous both positions are!

#thichasfcuk

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